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TrueBlue
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1/16/2008  12:42 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by kam77:

If RILEY can coach Antoine Walker, he can coach Z-bo. No?

I'd say so. I mean Ricky Davis has done fine there, Walker worked out for awhile, the only reason he failed there was becuase of his weight and Zach doesn't have weight-problems.


The point I'm making is Riley has finally come to the realization his risky acquisition aren't paying off like he thought they would. He's also starting to walk on pins and needles because he knows Wade remaining in Miami isn't a 100% lock. He's not looking to make matters any worse than he already has for the team and Wade.


Riley has made recent comments to get shooters(replace Kapono and Posey) around Wade and Shaq. And he also wants to keep his team under the Tax going into next yr.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-16-2008 11:59 AM]
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1/16/2008  1:20 PM
When Isiah benched him and u saw the video of Zach mouthing off to Isiah... his words at that time were:
"Is this what u braught me here for? Why the **** did u even bring me here?"..... my source never lies :)
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1/16/2008  1:33 PM
Again let me say reiterate that this was said after Friday night's game against Toronto. During the past two games Zach has been recieving ample playing time and it has led to 2 victories. So Zach initial "Please trade me" statement could have been made due to anger. I doubt he wants to be traded as bad as he did on Friday. Curry's production is down but Curry is soft and I doubt he will make a big deal about it.

Chris Broussard also included that "multiple New York Knick players would also like to be traded". Marbury? Curry? Lee? Rose?Morris?

I do believe Isiah's premise is to still trade Zch but as of now finding suitors is quite difficult. Zach to Miami? Will never happen because Haslem can do everything that Zach does along with playing defense.

The only logical place I can see trading Zach is Chicago or New Jersey, two teams that would very much like to have a low post scorer. L.A. might be interested with Bynum out for 2 months but I hear they are going to sign Chris Webber. Charlotte? Dallas?
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1/16/2008  2:15 PM
I would be kinda disappointed if Isiah were allowed to make any trade at all. Unfortunately with Marbury out now, all he has to do is sit Curry or Randolph for a lot of minutes and the team will fit together better and be a lot more competitive than they were at the beginning of the season. This does not bode well for getting rid of that sleazy sob.

And, the fat slob Curry needs to go before Zach. Zach can at least pass the ball out of the post when he wants to and can make other players better. If you asked the fat slob Curry what does the word "pass" mean, he would probably give you that blank look like he has not idea what the hell you are talking about.
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1/16/2008  2:57 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I think we could trade Zach to New Jersey and get a third team involved.

i love how you bash on everyone else's proposals & then think the Nets would help us out by taking Zach's contract off our hands... what 3rd team exactly are you proposing here & who exactly would be coming back from NJ to get the deal done salary wise? Vince? RJ? God forbid you stick your neck out to propose a trade idea of your own by being specific.
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1/16/2008  3:03 PM
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Change in Team Outlook: -3.5 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and +0.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.3 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 36.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
16.8 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 31.8 minutes

[Edited by - joec32033 on 16 January 2008 15:04]
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1/16/2008  3:05 PM
Lakers are playing great this year bro... & Bynum has emerged as a legitimate scoring threat down low... i don't think that deal's likely to happen.

seems to me the only likely trade partners for us this year are MIL & SAC... but u have to figure any deal w/either team is going to result is us either giving up 1 of our young guys that we wanna keep, or giving up that draft pick.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-16-2008 12:08 PM]
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1/16/2008  3:09 PM
New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -0.4 ppg, +1.8 rpg, and -0.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Rodney Carney
6-6 SF from Memphis
4.8 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.4 minutes
Samuel Dalembert
6-11 C from Seton Hall
11.6 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 33.0 minutes
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Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
16.8 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 31.8 minutes

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1/16/2008  3:10 PM
Posted by TMS:

Lakers are playing great this year bro... & Bynum has emerged as a legitimate scoring threat down low... i don't think that deal's likely to happen.

seems to me the only likely trade partners for us this year are MIL & SAC... but u have to figure any deal w/either team is going to result is us either giving up 1 of our young guys that we wanna keep, or giving up that draft pick.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-16-2008 12:08 PM]

I see win now teams wanting him and neither of the teams you mentioned. Miami, Chicago(Ben Gordon or Heinrich?), Maybe even Philly(to get Iggy some help in exchange for Dalembert).
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1/16/2008  3:12 PM
the point is no team wants his contract, they want our young players & our draft pick... so in order to get him outta here you're gonna have to toss in some incentive.
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1/16/2008  3:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

the point is no team wants his contract, they want our young players & our draft pick... so in order to get him outta here you're gonna have to toss in some incentive.

The only young player I want to hang onto is Lee. Nae to me isn't a starter. He is an above average undersized 6th man. Balkman and Chandler seem to be similar, we only need one(unless you want to talk about Chandler at the 2 spot).

I personally like Jamal at the 1, Lee at the 4, and Curry(God help me) at the 5. The 2-3 spots are up for grabs.

I really feel that if Jamal is not going to play the point(as in be the full time 2) I would just as well trade him because he is only average there to me. I think he is an above average PG.
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1/16/2008  3:21 PM
u want a trade that maybe has a shot of happening involving Zach? who in the NBA has a worse contract? T Murph... T Murph for Zach is a trade that can happen... why we would do it i have no idea, but it's a doable deal.

otherwise, we gotta face facts, Zach is not tradeable for another couple seasons unless we're gonna be willing to throw in an attractive piece to the deal like D Lee or our pick.
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1/16/2008  3:25 PM
Posted by TMS:

u want a trade that maybe has a shot of happening involving Zach? who in the NBA has a worse contract? T Murph... T Murph for Zach is a trade that can happen... why we would do it i have no idea, but it's a doable deal.

otherwise, we gotta face facts, Zach is not tradeable for another couple seasons unless we're gonna be willing to throw in an attractive piece to the deal like D Lee or our pick.

I agree. We are married to the hip with ZBo. He needs to show his worth for at least one season before we can trade him. I don't want to trade any of our young guns. To me, DLee, Balkster, Mardy, Chandler and Nate are untouchables right now. I would even put Randolph Morris in that group. Any trades Isiah makes should only be for shredding contracts. That's it! We are not going anywhere so might as well just play this group and have them seasoned for next year.
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1/16/2008  3:27 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TMS:

the point is no team wants his contract, they want our young players & our draft pick... so in order to get him outta here you're gonna have to toss in some incentive.

The only young player I want to hang onto is Lee. Nae to me isn't a starter. He is an above average undersized 6th man. Balkman and Chandler seem to be similar, we only need one(unless you want to talk about Chandler at the 2 spot).

I personally like Jamal at the 1, Lee at the 4, and Curry(God help me) at the 5. The 2-3 spots are up for grabs.

I really feel that if Jamal is not going to play the point(as in be the full time 2) I would just as well trade him because he is only average there to me. I think he is an above average PG.

i agree w/everything u just said (except for having Curry at C)... i'd rather try to pump up his trade value somehow & then trade him for a defensive minded C who can block shots & rebound the ball... if we could do that i think our team would improve by leaps & bounds... also would rather trade Chandler than Balk, but i'm not averse to giving up Balk if we're getting back a player that can make a real impact on this team & isn't just a superfluous starphuch addition that adds nothing to the overall balance on the roster.
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1/16/2008  4:35 PM

Zach wants out...He needs to get in line...

I want out too...I'm sure Isiah and Marbs wants out but just need to retain their cash balances in the process...

I have never seen one GM/Coach involved in such turmoil... Again, I never thought I wouls witness one guy bring a proud Franchise to it's knees so quickly...

That said, we won two in a row...

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1/16/2008  4:41 PM
Posted by TMS:

u want a trade that maybe has a shot of happening involving Zach? who in the NBA has a worse contract? T Murph... T Murph for Zach is a trade that can happen... why we would do it i have no idea, but it's a doable deal.

otherwise, we gotta face facts, Zach is not tradeable for another couple seasons unless we're gonna be willing to throw in an attractive piece to the deal like D Lee or our pick.

This is exactly what I do not want to do. Troy Murphy is the definition of trash. Zach is a good player that why I find it hard to believe that NO OTHER TEAM wants him. I just think at this point in Isiah regime everybody in the league thinks its cool to bluff the Knicks. This is not like before where everyone was signing up to play on the Knicks. New York is one of the last places players want to play now.

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1/16/2008  4:44 PM

The better question may be how many guys really want to be here...I would say none...

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1/16/2008  4:52 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by TMS:

u want a trade that maybe has a shot of happening involving Zach? who in the NBA has a worse contract? T Murph... T Murph for Zach is a trade that can happen... why we would do it i have no idea, but it's a doable deal.

otherwise, we gotta face facts, Zach is not tradeable for another couple seasons unless we're gonna be willing to throw in an attractive piece to the deal like D Lee or our pick.

This is exactly what I do not want to do. Troy Murphy is the definition of trash. Zach is a good player that why I find it hard to believe that NO OTHER TEAM wants him. I just think at this point in Isiah regime everybody in the league thinks its cool to bluff the Knicks. This is not like before where everyone was signing up to play on the Knicks. New York is one of the last places players want to play now.

if zach is a good player, then why has he been on one of the worst two teams each of the last two years (at least)? why were both teams' records better without him?

clearly, there's more to the story in portland and here than ZR, but that's the perception we're going to have to deal with putting him on the trade market.
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1/16/2008  5:07 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I think we could trade Zach to New Jersey and get a third team involved.

i love how you bash on everyone else's proposals & then think the Nets would help us out by taking Zach's contract off our hands... what 3rd team exactly are you proposing here & who exactly would be coming back from NJ to get the deal done salary wise? Vince? RJ? God forbid you stick your neck out to propose a trade idea of your own by being specific.


Well New Jersey was rumored to want Zach this summer the sticking point was Travis Outlaw. I'm assuming Richard Jefferson would have been the pawn. I think we can offer a similar deal with a few modifications. Maybe Zach, Jefferson, Jason Collins, Jeffries, Balk, and some picks involved. Send Jason Collins and a pick to a third team needing a big for an expiring.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-16-2008 4:59 PM]
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1/16/2008  5:11 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by TMS:

u want a trade that maybe has a shot of happening involving Zach? who in the NBA has a worse contract? T Murph... T Murph for Zach is a trade that can happen... why we would do it i have no idea, but it's a doable deal.

otherwise, we gotta face facts, Zach is not tradeable for another couple seasons unless we're gonna be willing to throw in an attractive piece to the deal like D Lee or our pick.

This is exactly what I do not want to do. Troy Murphy is the definition of trash. Zach is a good player that why I find it hard to believe that NO OTHER TEAM wants him. I just think at this point in Isiah regime everybody in the league thinks its cool to bluff the Knicks. This is not like before where everyone was signing up to play on the Knicks. New York is one of the last places players want to play now.

if zach is a good player, then why has he been on one of the worst two teams each of the last two years (at least)? why were both teams' records better without him?

clearly, there's more to the story in portland and here than ZR, but that's the perception we're going to have to deal with putting him on the trade market.

So you are saying that no team would trade for Zach Randolph? That he doesn't even deserve to be in the NBA? You are wrong. I think he is a good player but he put us a few steps back with his play. I thought he would be compatible with Curry's game but obviously I was wrong.

I would do a trade with Chicago for Ben Wallace straight up. Why? Because it is a better fit.

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