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1/14/2008  4:45 PM
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please. Teams are so used to fleecing us, they think deals like Artest and junk for marbury, lee and picks are decent.. LOL.. please.... crawford is going nowhere, Isiah should be banned from trades...

LOL this coming form a guy who said just a few weeks ago to take C4 to the team, Dumpster Fire it, Launch Bombs and step back.

blow up the team, but I also said with the exception of a few players. Lee being one of them. I mean why be so annoying about this. Let me ask you this? do you want to blow up the team? YES, so I guess you are Ok with trading lee and balkman for kenny thomas and Abdur rahim, right? if not, then LOL at you...

see how idiotic some of you are sounding. If someone says keep this player, or that is a bad trade, than all of sudden they are on board for a 10-26 season.. give it a break bro. it is getting tired....

your attempt to call people out with no basis, is weak...

[Edited by - tkf on 14-01-2008 12:46 PM]


You trade every player putting us in the best position to rebuild. I'd trade Lee for a first rounder(even if it's pick 30)/cap space, which I believe can be done. I'd trade Jamal for someone like a Lowry/reasonable fodder short/2nd round pick, which I believe can be done. Many Loving fans such as yourself would probably oppose such deals but not those of us who want every trace of evidence erased. I wouldn't be upset if Lee was kept but I'm in no way attached to any player on this team and not one who feels certain players are here to stay.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-14-2008 12:02 PM]

come on man, you are overreacting, you would trade lee for a 30th pick? what cap space is that going to get you? lee is still on his rookie deal. so you are going to replace a productive young plauyer, with another player who will make approx, the same money, but you have no idea of what you are going to get? lee has more value than that.... that would be just a dumb ass move if that were to happen. thank god you are not the gm.. Now I could see moving jamal for a player like lowry who fills a position of need and he is young and on his rookie deal. Now that makes sense if you could get an expiring along with lowry, but just to make trades and rid the few good players we have, just for the sake of it, is not smart bro..

That is why I take things said by fans like yourself, (I guess you are a s self procalimed hater elite)with a grain of salt. Read your post again and see how irrational it is...

[Edited by - tkf on 14-01-2008 2:05 PM]


Obviously I'm talking of dumping someone with Lee. Very rarely are deals done straight across for contributing players in a 1 for 1. Since I didn't clarify let me get you up to speed on things. I'm talking about dumping Lee say Jeffries and Jerome for Theo Ratliff and Minny's 2008-2009 Top 15 protected 1rst rounder. LOL @ thinking I'm just referring a straight dump of Lee when the CBA wouldn't allow a straight dump of him for a reasonably sized expiring contract, that is unless we're a team way under the cap.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-14-2008 3:49 PM]
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1/14/2008  4:50 PM
Don't get me wrong Lee's nice but I'm looking to set things up with a complete purge by 2009/2010.
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1/14/2008  4:55 PM
If your looking to do that why no try to move Curry with Jefferies for the expiring deal in Ratliff, they keep their pick we get one in the future.
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1/14/2008  4:56 PM
Or I would do Curry, Jones, Morris for Randy Foye or Corey Brewer
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1/14/2008  5:06 PM
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Turning down fair trades?

Let me put that Cup of STFU in the microwave for you.

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1/14/2008  5:10 PM
The Heat have to be open to getting crawford for an expiring deal and a future number one
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1/14/2008  5:17 PM
Posted by MS:

If your looking to do that why no try to move Curry with Jefferies for the expiring deal in Ratliff, they keep their pick we get one in the future.

Because Curry's value isn't that high. No way Curry is worth a #1 pick and an expiring deal such as Theo's and to top it off you're dumping Effries. Curry and Lee don't have the same value.
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1/14/2008  5:19 PM
the problem with dumping crawford is without him, we're probably a 15 win team. sad.
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1/14/2008  5:21 PM
With him we win 23 games and that's generous, we need to draft derek rose and that will help ensure that we do.

The Wolves are taking a big, and the heat might try to get the kid no reason to win games, play the youth tell q to rest his back and get healthy and move from there.
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1/14/2008  5:25 PM
Posted by franco12:

the problem with dumping crawford is without him, we're probably a 15 win team. sad.

That's actually a good thing. A 15 win season almost assures us of a franchise talent.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-14-2008 4:26 PM]
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1/14/2008  6:33 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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please. Teams are so used to fleecing us, they think deals like Artest and junk for marbury, lee and picks are decent.. LOL.. please.... crawford is going nowhere, Isiah should be banned from trades...

LOL this coming form a guy who said just a few weeks ago to take C4 to the team, Dumpster Fire it, Launch Bombs and step back.

blow up the team, but I also said with the exception of a few players. Lee being one of them. I mean why be so annoying about this. Let me ask you this? do you want to blow up the team? YES, so I guess you are Ok with trading lee and balkman for kenny thomas and Abdur rahim, right? if not, then LOL at you...

see how idiotic some of you are sounding. If someone says keep this player, or that is a bad trade, than all of sudden they are on board for a 10-26 season.. give it a break bro. it is getting tired....

your attempt to call people out with no basis, is weak...

[Edited by - tkf on 14-01-2008 12:46 PM]


You trade every player putting us in the best position to rebuild. I'd trade Lee for a first rounder(even if it's pick 30)/cap space, which I believe can be done. I'd trade Jamal for someone like a Lowry/reasonable fodder short/2nd round pick, which I believe can be done. Many Loving fans such as yourself would probably oppose such deals but not those of us who want every trace of evidence erased. I wouldn't be upset if Lee was kept but I'm in no way attached to any player on this team and not one who feels certain players are here to stay.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-14-2008 12:02 PM]

come on man, you are overreacting, you would trade lee for a 30th pick? what cap space is that going to get you? lee is still on his rookie deal. so you are going to replace a productive young plauyer, with another player who will make approx, the same money, but you have no idea of what you are going to get? lee has more value than that.... that would be just a dumb ass move if that were to happen. thank god you are not the gm.. Now I could see moving jamal for a player like lowry who fills a position of need and he is young and on his rookie deal. Now that makes sense if you could get an expiring along with lowry, but just to make trades and rid the few good players we have, just for the sake of it, is not smart bro..

That is why I take things said by fans like yourself, (I guess you are a s self procalimed hater elite)with a grain of salt. Read your post again and see how irrational it is...

[Edited by - tkf on 14-01-2008 2:05 PM]


Obviously I'm talking of dumping someone with Lee. Very rarely are deals done straight across for contributing players in a 1 for 1. Since I didn't clarify let me get you up to speed on things. I'm talking about dumping Lee say Jeffries and Jerome for Theo Ratliff and Minny's 2008-2009 Top 15 protected 1rst rounder. LOL @ thinking I'm just referring a straight dump of Lee when the CBA wouldn't allow a straight dump of him for a reasonably sized expiring contract, that is unless we're a team way under the cap.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-14-2008 3:49 PM]


i love lee bro, but I doubt his value is high enough to dump two horrible contracts onto another team like that...
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1/14/2008  6:40 PM
I think keeping lee is more important than dumping jeffries and james at this point. we can add a possible franchise talent in rose during the draft and along with lee and nate and craw, at least start developing some kind of core, heck we should be auditioning guys like chandler and morris right now to see if they are keepers also... If we can move guys like curry and get a Mid first round pick, then great...
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1/14/2008  8:03 PM
Posted by tkf:

I think keeping lee is more important than dumping jeffries and james at this point. we can add a possible franchise talent in rose during the draft and along with lee and nate and craw, at least start developing some kind of core, heck we should be auditioning guys like chandler and morris right now to see if they are keepers also... If we can move guys like curry and get a Mid first round pick, then great...

Not necessarily think of how many players would want to come play for our team come 2009/2010 when we're an up and coming team again. We got to break away from the mentality of thinking players like Crawford(Hydrogen) and Lee(Oxygen) will turn into players like Roy and Aldridge(Wine). Holding on to players like Lee and Jamal especially when Lee is due for an extension next yr only assures us of being a 30-40win team. Lather, Wash, Rinse, Repeat enough with this cycle tear it down by maximizing returns on every asset that still remains.
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1/14/2008  8:38 PM
Yeah we need to just let the bad contracts run out... the only bad contract we should trade would be Marbury and Zach, everyone else w/bad contracts can just be benched.
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1/14/2008  8:38 PM
Most of these posts make e wonder why i even signed up for this forum?

Are you guys serious-
I'm talking about dumping Lee say Jeffries and Jerome for Theo Ratliff and Minny's 2008-2009 Top 15 protected 1rst rounder.

I'd trade Lee for a first rounder(even if it's pick 30)/cap space, which I believe can be done. I'd trade Jamal for someone like a Lowry/reasonable fodder short/2nd round pick, which I believe can be done.

Too bad there is a post count - beccause I am sure your only goal is to reach 10,000 inane contributions.

I would do Curry, Jones, Morris for Randy Foye or Corey Brewer
This is so dumb - I cn't even believe you didn't come back and edit it after the kool aid wore off
Lee is on a team with no pg doesn't get plays drawn up for him
- You 'know' this how?
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1/14/2008  8:45 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Most of these posts make e wonder why i even signed up for this forum?

Are you guys serious-
I'm talking about dumping Lee say Jeffries and Jerome for Theo Ratliff and Minny's 2008-2009 Top 15 protected 1rst rounder.

I'd trade Lee for a first rounder(even if it's pick 30)/cap space, which I believe can be done. I'd trade Jamal for someone like a Lowry/reasonable fodder short/2nd round pick, which I believe can be done.

Too bad there is a post count - beccause I am sure your only goal is to reach 10,000 inane contributions.

I would do Curry, Jones, Morris for Randy Foye or Corey Brewer
This is so dumb - I cn't even believe you didn't come back and edit it after the kool aid wore off
Lee is on a team with no pg doesn't get plays drawn up for him
- You 'know' this how?
Interesting forum entrance!
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1/14/2008  8:51 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Most of these posts make e wonder why i even signed up for this forum?

Are you guys serious-
I'm talking about dumping Lee say Jeffries and Jerome for Theo Ratliff and Minny's 2008-2009 Top 15 protected 1rst rounder.

I'd trade Lee for a first rounder(even if it's pick 30)/cap space, which I believe can be done. I'd trade Jamal for someone like a Lowry/reasonable fodder short/2nd round pick, which I believe can be done.

Too bad there is a post count - beccause I am sure your only goal is to reach 10,000 inane contributions.

I would do Curry, Jones, Morris for Randy Foye or Corey Brewer
This is so dumb - I cn't even believe you didn't come back and edit it after the kool aid wore off
Lee is on a team with no pg doesn't get plays drawn up for him
- You 'know' this how?
Interesting forum entrance!

I'd say so and boy does he have some editing to do. It's a cross between Oohah/Papa/Earl. I'm sure it's a regular.
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1/14/2008  10:27 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Most of these posts make e wonder why i even signed up for this forum?

Are you guys serious-
I'm talking about dumping Lee say Jeffries and Jerome for Theo Ratliff and Minny's 2008-2009 Top 15 protected 1rst rounder.

I'd trade Lee for a first rounder(even if it's pick 30)/cap space, which I believe can be done. I'd trade Jamal for someone like a Lowry/reasonable fodder short/2nd round pick, which I believe can be done.

Too bad there is a post count - beccause I am sure your only goal is to reach 10,000 inane contributions.

I would do Curry, Jones, Morris for Randy Foye or Corey Brewer
This is so dumb - I cn't even believe you didn't come back and edit it after the kool aid wore off
Lee is on a team with no pg doesn't get plays drawn up for him
- You 'know' this how?
Interesting forum entrance!

I'd say so and boy does he have some editing to do. It's a cross between Oohah/Papa/Earl. I'm sure it's a regular.
Yeah, no one enters a forum like that for the first time. I'm thinking it could be surgarray or cossucks or rembee.
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1/14/2008  10:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Most of these posts make e wonder why i even signed up for this forum?

Are you guys serious-
I'm talking about dumping Lee say Jeffries and Jerome for Theo Ratliff and Minny's 2008-2009 Top 15 protected 1rst rounder.

I'd trade Lee for a first rounder(even if it's pick 30)/cap space, which I believe can be done. I'd trade Jamal for someone like a Lowry/reasonable fodder short/2nd round pick, which I believe can be done.

Too bad there is a post count - beccause I am sure your only goal is to reach 10,000 inane contributions.

I would do Curry, Jones, Morris for Randy Foye or Corey Brewer
This is so dumb - I cn't even believe you didn't come back and edit it after the kool aid wore off
Lee is on a team with no pg doesn't get plays drawn up for him
- You 'know' this how?
Interesting forum entrance!

I'd say so and boy does he have some editing to do. It's a cross between Oohah/Papa/Earl. I'm sure it's a regular.
Yeah, no one enters a forum like that for the first time. I'm thinking it could be surgarray or cossucks or rembee.


SugaRay doesn't defend I SAY UGH as much anymore Earl does/did and he also came up with funny ways to run words phrases into one word like.....

wasupwidat=iyamwutiam......LMFAO!



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-14-2008 9:38 PM]
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1/14/2008  10:57 PM
Actually - it is my first time.

Sorry - but I guess I am in the minority of people who feels that :
1. The knicks roster that Isiah got was horrible with no upside. Some guy cosselout or some has a blog -which is the same thing I have been saying. Puh-lease, please point out to be one NBA team in the last 35 years that have had so many players not be in the NBA in a short two years!! Kurt Thomas was cut by Phoenix -despite all the babble about his defense by Phoenix- cuz he averaged like 5 points a game is soon to be 34- or he just doesn't play defense as well as the media says he does - you decide - but it won't make a difference since Phoenix already decided which version they accept!!

I agree that after tossing over 300 million dollars during Layden's short reign and giving Layden 30 million - that Dolan went cheap. He got Isiah for very little money and then proceeded to screw around with him. I have a feeling that there is a lot that Isiah is not saying.

Back on point - we all know Isiah wants to and has coached teams. he felt he was unfairly treated in both Toronto but especially Indiana - when Rick Carlisle did his best Barry Switzer imitation. Any human beig would have a chip on his shoulder and want to prove that they were wrong about him. In retrospect - a team of Miller/Foster/Harrington/Tinsley/Artest/ONeal was a good enough core to be a perrenial team and like San Antonio - with a few pieces (Filey/Horry) and further development of players (Ginobli/Parker) could have been a similar team. Anyway - we will never know.

The point is - other GMs - I am sure were asked. its not like Dolan got up one day and said ONLY Isiah . No way - he got Isiah on the cheap and still does. Jerry West (I haven't done squat with Grizzlies despite all these years and all this money) and others would have (unlike Isiah) wanted full control and atleast a 7 year contract - exactly like Scott Layden did.

Dolan - does interfere - no doubt about it and it was never isiah's show from day one. He was brought in for the drat and be the fall guy- why else would ANYONE hire him otherwise!! No way - you give isiah the full reigns of the richest franchise in basketball - so what you do is hire him and NOT give him full control. If you thik - that Isiah decided the FIRST move he was going to do was give up TWO first round draft picks for Marbury (especially when he so proud (whether by luck or not) of the historical record of his first round picks- then you are simply not seeing the word the way it is. The way the world is -is that YOU take the fall if anything bad happens -while your boss despite having millions and millions -insists you get an icon to herald in the 'age; of the 'new' knicks. We all know that slowly -marketing is beoming the only product for too many corporations.

Then Dolan get some more washed up people like Lenny Wilkens (who is such a good coach that after the Knicks - he is coaching where(?))- or Larry Brown (I love to alienate my star players from (Iverson/Sheed/Rip Hamilton) and take all the credit despite making hrrendouse Gm and draft decisions for decades.

After all- it was simple - Isiah you draft and spot talent - and I will get some real 'experts' to coach. How'd that work out?!?! Of course LB - having won a championship (Finally) decides to screw up the future of this franchise by getting some of his older palyers in Antonio Davis (which prolly cost us another draft pick -which we didn't need to give up for Curry) and Jalen Rose -- of course Francis - to let Marbury know - he can get a superstar to play his way (yeah right- didn't happen with Iverson and definitely not happening with Marbury or Francis).

Anyone with a modicum of experience being in management realizes two things right away:
1. Be a team player - in oter words tolerate all the idiocy around you for atleast 2 years and don't rock the boat.
2. Keep your mouth shut about who is really screwing things up - and believe me - you HAVE to get an extension - because thats how most managers get to stay on and sutting up about the incompetencies of your staff is the surest way for you t continue in your job and ultimately be rewarded with job security.

LB was fired after being the richest paid coach in the NBA not just because he won 24 games and po'd Marbury but these disastrous signings as well - particularyl Rose and Francis -who had 70 Million in guanranteed money owed to them!!
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