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Lord Thank Heaven oh for the Powers that be blehhh: Dolan leaning towards FIRING Isiah
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1/12/2008  12:16 PM
Posted by franco12:

this needs to happen with enough time for a potential successor to come in and possibly off load some garbage before the deadline- Crawford has value- get an ending contract and a pick.

I agree. Moving Crawford for a pick before the deadline would be a great idea. This would also open the door for nate to get a lot more minutes(and potentially shots), which is a good idea whether we want to keep nate or move him later with increased trade value.

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1/12/2008  1:02 PM
Posted by franco12:

this needs to happen with enough time for a potential successor to come in and possibly off load some garbage before the deadline- Crawford has value- get an ending contract and a pick.

I hate to say it, but I have a tough time seeing another team giving us an expiring and a pick, unless you're thinking a second rounder. Crawford is a tad overpaid, IMHO, but not so horribly that he's untradeable. I'd be happy with just the expiring.
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1/12/2008  1:47 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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My screen name might take place. I called it 2 years ago and now we are the worst team in the league. Please god let this happen.

Get in line behind me. I called it 1 second after they announced Isiah as Team President and General Manager of the Knicks.


And the others need to get behind me in regards to this timing. I said we'd start hearing it around this time of the yr and it would come to fruition by season's midway point.
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1/12/2008  1:50 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Isiah should be slammed if he indeed did say that he only likes 3 of the players he brought in!!! It's his team! I've supported this guy for all these years and i've given him the benefit of the doubt on his moves. This year i've hated the work he's done. He's acted like a coward and has tried to shift the blame. Then he's put on all this bravado and basically said that he doesn't need to change the players, but only needs time, so if this is true that he said he only likes 3 of the players, then he needs to go immediately.

It's not the players fault that he didn't add the players needed to make this team work. He had a chance to add more perimeter shooting, a shotblocker/rebounder and even PG help. When he didn't get those players, he said that he would make it work with the players he's acquired. So now that the worst fears of why Zach and Curry may not work have been realized he's gonna try and lay this at their feet. Zach is right!!! Isiah is the one who brought him here. He's just being who he always was, you can't blame him for being who and what he is. If you bring in a guy like him, then you better have a darn good idea of how you're going to use him. It's apparent that Isiah never had a clue how he would use him.

I never thought Isiah was a great GM or Coach, but I was dead wrong about him. He's not even a decent GM or Coach. I was with him on the idea of Lee, Nate, Balkman, Mardy and Chandler. I think those guys have the kind of athletic ability and enough defensive skills to be useful to this team as role players. The thing is that they aren't superstars, so you can't kill them for not being able to lead this team to wins by themselves. It's Isiah's job to find the player or players who can lead this team and help it to win. So it's time for him to go. He's making things worse now, so Dolan has to stop the bleeding.


It would take his firing for you to start selling him out. At least you finally got to this point.


How bad did I SAY UGH make things for the next GM/Coach Luva?
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1/12/2008  3:41 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

Isiah should be slammed if he indeed did say that he only likes 3 of the players he brought in!!! It's his team! I've supported this guy for all these years and i've given him the benefit of the doubt on his moves. This year i've hated the work he's done. He's acted like a coward and has tried to shift the blame. Then he's put on all this bravado and basically said that he doesn't need to change the players, but only needs time, so if this is true that he said he only likes 3 of the players, then he needs to go immediately.

It's not the players fault that he didn't add the players needed to make this team work. He had a chance to add more perimeter shooting, a shotblocker/rebounder and even PG help. When he didn't get those players, he said that he would make it work with the players he's acquired. So now that the worst fears of why Zach and Curry may not work have been realized he's gonna try and lay this at their feet. Zach is right!!! Isiah is the one who brought him here. He's just being who he always was, you can't blame him for being who and what he is. If you bring in a guy like him, then you better have a darn good idea of how you're going to use him. It's apparent that Isiah never had a clue how he would use him.

I never thought Isiah was a great GM or Coach, but I was dead wrong about him. He's not even a decent GM or Coach. I was with him on the idea of Lee, Nate, Balkman, Mardy and Chandler. I think those guys have the kind of athletic ability and enough defensive skills to be useful to this team as role players. The thing is that they aren't superstars, so you can't kill them for not being able to lead this team to wins by themselves. It's Isiah's job to find the player or players who can lead this team and help it to win. So it's time for him to go. He's making things worse now, so Dolan has to stop the bleeding.


It would take his firing for you to start selling him out. At least you finally got to this point.


How bad did I SAY UGH make things for the next GM/Coach Luva?

First off I wouldn't say that I sold him out. I'm only responding to the job he's done this year. He's shown himself this year to be a very bad GM and Coach. I actually don't think that every single move he's ever made was bad by itself, he's failed to bring it home. I saw what he did and there were opportunities to make moves that would've worked. He made the wrong moves and coaching decisions this year and it's evident in how the season has gone. To illustrate what i'm saying, let's just say that Isiah had deals he could've made that could've put together a good team. He didn't make those moves and worse he can't find a way to make the moves he did make work. He's actually made things worse in terms of team morale. I'm not in some special category all by myself just cuz I was more optimistic than most. Many of our predictions were in the same range. Very few if any predicted this level of ineptness and no one was guaranteeing a championship either.

This forum was almost in total agreement on what kinds of players Isiah needed to get. He went in a different direction than any of us had been calling for, however once he did I felt there was a way that you could make it work even with the Zach move. I believe Isiah missed the boat in terms of adding players who could help. He could've picked up a PG and a SG to help. If he had gotten rid of James perhaps we could've added players who could actually help balance this roster. There are players on this team that can stay and provide certain roles for this team in the future. So I wouldn't say that Isiah has totally ruined things for the next GM. He just hasn't made things easy for them, but there's talent here. We'll likely get a high pick, so that's a good start.

Whoever we get will have the same challenges any GM has when coming into a losing situation and trying to win a title. It's DAMN HARD! We have no guarantees no matter who we get. Right now I just want to see things get better, so I want a GM and Coach who know what to do.
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1/12/2008  4:14 PM
Truthfully, I think the next GM, in terms of talent on the team, will have an easier job than IT. Lee, Balman, Nate, Chandler, Collins are all solid role players. Next year we will have almost $30 million in expiring contracts. We could easily find someone to take Curry and Crawford off our hands and JJ1 will only have 2 years left on his deal. Thus, the only bad contracts on the team will be Q, Randolph, and Jeffries. Randolph is someone that we actually might be able to use if he can tone down his shoot first mentality. Jeffries is useless, but can be a backup. There is a slim chance Q can regain his shot over the summer. If that happens, he actually would be a good role player for us. Plus, we should have a top-5 pick in this years draft.

A competent GM should be able to turn this team into a playoff team in 1-2 years. A very good GM can turn us into a contender in 2-3 years. We just need a competent GM and a little luck in the draft.

The reason other GMs are clamoring for this job is not only because it is New York. I think people around the league see that this team can be turned around in a relatively short period of time if a GM comes in with a solid plan and makes wise decisions.
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1/12/2008  4:51 PM
I'm surprised at Nixluva. I guess Bip and I are the only true believers left. The rest of you are just a buncha hatters.

I really like where this team is going, and I like the players that Isiah has brought in. Isiah has a vision for this team. It's all about getting younger and more athletic. Don't forget what he had to start with - the mess left by Scott Layden. Also, he's had a string of senile and treacherous coaches to work with.

C'mon guys. don't give up now, right when the dust is about to settle. I really feel that this team is about to turn the corner. Just hang in there. Isiah will right the ship.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 01-12-2008 16:52]
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1/12/2008  5:00 PM
I really like where this team is going, and I like the players that Isiah has brought in. Isiah has a vision for this team. It's all about getting younger and more athletic. Don't forget what he had to start with - the mess left by Scott Layden. Also, he's had a string of senile and treacherous coaches to work with.

The scary thing is that this is probably exactly what Isiah thinks.
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1/12/2008  5:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:

Just don't forget to.......the official "isiah is fired thread" belongs to none other than Islesfan.

I simply can't wait.......




If Isiah just gets "fired" from his coaching position, that's not nearly good enough. I want it all.

And we will get it all. But, it will not be a clean firing. What may happen is Iisah getting removed from the HC job first. Internally his wings may be clipped and his decision making ability as GM suspended. But they will push him to incresingly more irrelevant positions before he is finally let go of. Dolan will try to hite new coach/GM before Isiah is completely gone.
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1/12/2008  5:39 PM
trading deadline is feb 21 - you need to get a new set of eyes in here with enough time for rational, strategic, long term decisions to be started.
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1/12/2008  6:03 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I'm surprised at Nixluva. I guess Bip and I are the only true believers left. The rest of you are just a buncha hatters.

I really like where this team is going, and I like the players that Isiah has brought in. Isiah has a vision for this team. It's all about getting younger and more athletic. Don't forget what he had to start with - the mess left by Scott Layden. Also, he's had a string of senile and treacherous coaches to work with.

C'mon guys. don't give up now, right when the dust is about to settle. I really feel that this team is about to turn the corner. Just hang in there. Isiah will right the ship.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 01-12-2008 16:52]


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1/12/2008  6:38 PM

Knicks basketball: where hope happens!!!!!

While Isiah wants off the bench, Dolan might balk to pay Herb to coach???

Thats a joke.

I would love to know the terms of isiahs Extension. Any launguage about them losing AnuchaGate?

Any Language about wins-loses?

Anything relating to performance and being given a buyout if certain terms are not met? Lets face it, Isiah was given 4 years and a boat load of money for What reason? There is nothing logical on the surface about any of it!

I agree with Lenny, and Larry, and Isiah that these guys don't care about winning. I said this many times that a team with such a high payroll means you have some very very wealthy young men. These young men are mostly under achieveing players who were dumped for charactor flaws, not athletic talent. They don't win. Put them together and what do you have?

The new york knicks!!!!!!!!!

Isiah talked about building a culture of winning the moment he landed!

His words were one thing and then he goes about and gets the posterboy for losing in Marbury. Then the Gazy man, etc etc!!!!!!!!!!

There is no change until there is a change of thinking either by Isiah or his successor!!!!!!!
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1/12/2008  6:57 PM
I just saw on the news Isiah saying he will never ever give up being the coach after speculation in the media he was thinking of stepping down...This guy is begging to be fired...He wants to take his 24 mil and run...What a coward...He suck and he knows it...He doesn't want to give up the reins because he is looking for an exit...I sure hope Dolan has an escape clause in that contract...

I had a lot of respect for Isiah and he turned out to be a punk...The whole Marbury incident lost him any credibility he had left...First he tried to scapegoat Marbs, then couldn't bench him....He can't bench Q now...This guy can't go fast enough for me....Seeing him on the sidelines these days just boils my blood...
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1/12/2008  8:27 PM
I had a lot of respect for Isiah
Why? He hasn't done anything respectable post-playing.
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1/12/2008  9:09 PM
I was sitting here, and thought I'd get on-line to see whats been up the last couple days. And to my shocking surprise 'Dolan might fire Isiah?! Holy ****!!!!!

Please, please make it happen.

Jerry West and Jerry Colangelo will be a much welcomed site for sore eyes.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/12/2008  9:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
I had a lot of respect for Isiah
Why? He hasn't done anything respectable post-playing.

So Vince Carter, McGrady and Damon Stoudamire isn't respectable...Can't wait to hear the spin...

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1/12/2008  9:17 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
I had a lot of respect for Isiah
Why? He hasn't done anything respectable post-playing.

So Vince Carter, McGrady and Damon Stoudamire isn't respectable...Can't wait to hear the spin...


He's done respectable for everyone else, except us. He's basically destroyed us.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/12/2008  9:55 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
I had a lot of respect for Isiah
Why? He hasn't done anything respectable post-playing.

So Vince Carter, McGrady and Damon Stoudamire isn't respectable...Can't wait to hear the spin...

He's done respectable for everyone else, except us. He's basically destroyed us.

I wouldn't say that Isiah has destroyed us. He's merely taken things to new lows, but in terms of the team, I feel it was much worse under Layden in the sense that the team was old and full of players no one wanted. We actually have some players that teams would like to have. We actually have some young players that can play in the right situation. A good GM would be able to work with what we have much easier than when Isiah got here.

Isiah's biggest fault is not being able to seal the deal with his roster. He never made that move or two that could've really set us up for success. He was going in a good direction at one time when he started bringing in young players but he never fully committed to the youth and that is probably where he went wrong. I can understand the chances he took and why he went in the direction he did, but just because others and myself defended those moves doesn't mean we totally agreed and accepted everything he did. I resent the implication that this is the case. Posts over the years prove that it's never been that simple. Never have I or anyone that i've read on this forum been 100% in support of everything Isiah did. What we've defended the most was the support for the team as a fan. I've had most of my arguments based on all the negative and pessimistic posts that IMO often went over the top. Just because things have devolved now, doesn't mean that those hyper negative posters were 100% right. This is one thing that i'd never be proud of getting right anyway. Some here take it as a badge of honor to have been against the team all this time.

We should all be angry and disappointed over what's happened with this team. Taking joy out of being right in this case is no prize to cherish. A collapse of this kind wasn't and shouldn't have been expected by the majority of NBA fans and analysts, so why should I or anyone else be bashed about what's happened? Why not just talk about what needs to be done rather than gloating over the team stinking this year?
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1/12/2008  10:40 PM
But Nix us negative posters have been right. I SAY UGH was going to continue to fail as we said he would. You're speaking in terms of chances. Of course anything could happen but looking at the results we were right and you can't take that away.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-12-2008 9:57 PM]
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1/12/2008  10:45 PM
I said it 2 years ago, look at my screen name. When you don not have any good defensive players you cannot win on a consistant basis. These are the facts dont tell me we are younger and more athletic either. These guys cannot play D and that is the reason for our downfall. Perimeter and interior D are gross.
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