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1/10/2008  11:51 AM
Wouldn't Randolph only hurt Yi's progress? Unless they plan on playing him at SF.

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1/10/2008  11:55 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

Yeah, the only trade Milwaukee would make here is Simmons and Dan Gadzuric for Zach. Even then I don't know why Milwaukee would do it. The only thing I can think is that maybe Milwaukee has a mandate to make the playoffs this year.

I've heard that Herb Kohl has the GM there (forgot his name, I know it's Lenny something) under the gun and he's feeling the pressure. Maybe he feels Randolph is a quick fix? I sure hope so.
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1/10/2008  11:56 AM
how about this:

MIL trades Yi, Voskuhl & Simmons
MIL gets Pau Gasol

MEM trades Pau Gasol
MEM gets Yi, Voskuhl & Simmons

NY trades their cap flexibility
NY gets more disappointment & a malconted Zach for the next 3 years



[Edited by - TMS on 01-10-2008 08:56 AM]
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1/10/2008  11:57 AM
This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
Milwaukee Bucks

Incoming Players
Zach Randolph
Salary: $13,333,333 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 17.1 REB: 10.4 AST: 1.7 PER: 16.92

Mardy Collins
Salary: $967,320 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 1.6 REB: 1.4 AST: 1.2 PER: 1.63

Renaldo Balkman
Salary: $1,280,640 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 2.5 REB: 2.8 AST: 0.5 PER: 9.25

Fred Jones
Salary: $3,300,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 6.1 REB: 2.2 AST: 2.1 PER: 10.62


Outgoing Players: Dan Gadzuric, Ramon Sessions, Bobby Simmons, David NoelNew York Knicks

Incoming Players
Dan Gadzuric
Salary: $5,751,130 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 3.0 REB: 2.8 AST: 0.3 PER: 11.03

Ramon Sessions
Salary: $427,163 Years Remaining: 2

Bobby Simmons
Salary: $9,280,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 6.8 REB: 3.1 AST: 1.1 PER: 9.16

David Noel
Salary: $687,456 Years Remaining: 1


Outgoing Players: Zach Randolph, Mardy Collins, Renaldo Balkman, Fred Jones
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1/10/2008  12:17 PM
Posted by purple012870:

This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
Milwaukee Bucks

Incoming Players
Zach Randolph
Salary: $13,333,333 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 17.1 REB: 10.4 AST: 1.7 PER: 16.92

Mardy Collins
Salary: $967,320 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 1.6 REB: 1.4 AST: 1.2 PER: 1.63

Renaldo Balkman
Salary: $1,280,640 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 2.5 REB: 2.8 AST: 0.5 PER: 9.25

Fred Jones
Salary: $3,300,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 6.1 REB: 2.2 AST: 2.1 PER: 10.62


Outgoing Players: Dan Gadzuric, Ramon Sessions, Bobby Simmons, David NoelNew York Knicks

Incoming Players
Dan Gadzuric
Salary: $5,751,130 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 3.0 REB: 2.8 AST: 0.3 PER: 11.03

Ramon Sessions
Salary: $427,163 Years Remaining: 2

Bobby Simmons
Salary: $9,280,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 6.8 REB: 3.1 AST: 1.1 PER: 9.16

David Noel
Salary: $687,456 Years Remaining: 1


Outgoing Players: Zach Randolph, Mardy Collins, Renaldo Balkman, Fred Jones

Congratulations, you've found the trade that doesn't even make sense for the Knicks.

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1/10/2008  12:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by crzymdups:

Yeah, the only trade Milwaukee would make here is Simmons and Dan Gadzuric for Zach. Even then I don't know why Milwaukee would do it. The only thing I can think is that maybe Milwaukee has a mandate to make the playoffs this year.

I've heard that Herb Kohl has the GM there (forgot his name, I know it's Lenny something) under the gun and he's feeling the pressure. Maybe he feels Randolph is a quick fix? I sure hope so.

Herb Kohl also hates spending money. Acquiring Randolph would be sure death for the Bucks GM.
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1/10/2008  12:21 PM
I'm afraid of how we can possibly move Zach and end up getting worse.

Honestly, if we're trading one big headache for a bunch of smaller headaches (Gadzuric, Simmons), we should be looking to not send over a talented player like Balkman (Sure does explain his lack of playing time as justification to move him since he doesn't 'fit in') or get back a protected first rounder-

and if we do end up with Gadzuric & Simmons, we ought to explore follow up trades to try to move them as well.
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1/10/2008  12:28 PM
If we trade we will end up with players with worse contracts or worse attitudes not like we make good trades.
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1/10/2008  12:36 PM
I think Zach would fit in on some other teams- with the bucks- they have bogut who plays in the high post and is an excellent passer - yi is probably a softy and could play sf for them- they're missing a low post presence -
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1/10/2008  12:39 PM
Posted by franco12:

I'm afraid of how we can possibly move Zach and end up getting worse.

Honestly, if we're trading one big headache for a bunch of smaller headaches (Gadzuric, Simmons), we should be looking to not send over a talented player like Balkman (Sure does explain his lack of playing time as justification to move him since he doesn't 'fit in') or get back a protected first rounder-

and if we do end up with Gadzuric & Simmons, we ought to explore follow up trades to try to move them as well.

the only contract in the NBA that's worse than Zach's IMO is Troy Murphy... let's not give Isiah any bright ideas.

Antoine Walker is right up there too for that matter

[Edited by - TMS on 01-10-2008 09:42 AM]
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1/10/2008  12:47 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by franco12:

I'm afraid of how we can possibly move Zach and end up getting worse.

Honestly, if we're trading one big headache for a bunch of smaller headaches (Gadzuric, Simmons), we should be looking to not send over a talented player like Balkman (Sure does explain his lack of playing time as justification to move him since he doesn't 'fit in') or get back a protected first rounder-

and if we do end up with Gadzuric & Simmons, we ought to explore follow up trades to try to move them as well.

the only contract in the NBA that's worse than Zach's IMO is Troy Murphy... let's not give Isiah any bright ideas.

Antoine Walker is right up there too for that matter

[Edited by - TMS on 01-10-2008 09:42 AM]

actually i'd rank Rashard Lewis' contract as probably worse, considering they're paying an 18 & 5 player $16 mil this year & he'll be on their books til he's making $24 mil in 2013! OUCH!
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1/10/2008  12:47 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

How about Charlie Villanueva, Jake Voshkul(expiring) and Desmond Mason(1year left) and a top10 protected 1st rounder.

Successful Trade Scenario

Change in Team Outlook: +3.5 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and +1.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Charlie Villanueva
6-10 PF from Connecticut
9.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.6 apg in 20.2 minutes
Jake Voskuhl
6-11 C from Connecticut
3.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.9 minutes
Desmond Mason
6-5 SF / SG from Oklahoma State
8.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.7 apg in 26.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
17.1 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.5 minutes


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-10-2008 11:15 AM]

Me likey, but who will be released?
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1/10/2008  1:22 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by franco12:

I'm afraid of how we can possibly move Zach and end up getting worse.

Honestly, if we're trading one big headache for a bunch of smaller headaches (Gadzuric, Simmons), we should be looking to not send over a talented player like Balkman (Sure does explain his lack of playing time as justification to move him since he doesn't 'fit in') or get back a protected first rounder-

and if we do end up with Gadzuric & Simmons, we ought to explore follow up trades to try to move them as well.

the only contract in the NBA that's worse than Zach's IMO is Troy Murphy... let's not give Isiah any bright ideas.

Antoine Walker is right up there too for that matter

[Edited by - TMS on 01-10-2008 09:42 AM]

I like Antoine Walker idea.
This trade will make Isiah killing on the street much more likely...
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1/10/2008  1:30 PM
Trading Balkman is a terrible mistake. He's better than Lee because he can defend multiple positions and has skills that nobody else does in the league.
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1/10/2008  1:30 PM
Apparently Milwaukee hates Michael Redd now... ZBo + Balkman for Redd? Yes please. I don't think that's too likely, so ZBo for Mo Williams + filler?

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-10-2008 1:31 PM]
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1/10/2008  1:31 PM
i'd look at something like:

zach randolph, fred jones, wilson chandler

for

charlie villanueva, bobby simmons, dan gadzuric
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1/10/2008  1:35 PM
This is an odd one. Bucks don't have any contracts than run longer than Zach other than Bell and Williams. I don't know why Simmons is complete crap right now, but if he played like last year he would be a good SF for us. He shoots the 3, grabs some steals, gets some rebounds...
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1/10/2008  1:47 PM
Please just buyout Zach already. (Then buyout all our other veterans too!)
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1/10/2008  1:49 PM
NO TRADES NO TRADES NO TRADES


fire the coach then let this group of imbeciles' contracts expire. let's suck it up for a few years and then begin fresh with new faces in the coaches chair and on the rest of the bench.

it's like when your lawn goes brown and filled with weeds, do you keep watering it and watering it hoping that it will turn green again? no, you go out and buy new grass and lay that s#it down. then you sit back and admire it.....we have nothing but brown grass and weeds right now.
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1/10/2008  1:51 PM
Naw I see zach going to Houston, Adelman love offensive gifted players.
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