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1/5/2008  3:22 PM
I think the problem is the way Isiah uses Zach and Eddy...For the Knicks to be successful, Curry has to play and play well...Curry has to be the focal point of the offense...He is mentally weak and needs to be reminded how good he is by his good play...Something telling about Eddy last year when he had a big night against Ben Wallace...He said to himself he must be good because Wallace is a good defender...He actually told a reporter this...Most NBA players think they are the best...Eddy doesn't think that way...

Randolph is just too good to be written off...He has to change his style of play and that is Isiah's job...He has the play the role of a second option and like playing that way or be benched....All these players are talented and can scored but they have yet to make adjustments in their games to gel with other teammates...

This is a team game that the Knicks haven't figured out how to play in two years...The Knicks can be competitive if Randolph contains his game and defers to Curry a touch...Curry needs to work for a rebound on both ends when he doesn't have the ball in his hands...Curry needs to box out and he did it well against Duncan...I saw Curry boxing out more last night than I have seen him do all year...He is a strong dude and can box out...I really don't get it...

But this is all coaching, not the players...I mean the players stink because of the effort they put out but I think the Knicks biggest problem is coaching right now....

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1/5/2008  3:24 PM
Curry may be a flawed player, but if used properly the guy can be a force and you all know it. It's not all about his poor rebounding and help D. He's not a perfect Center, but the thing is that he can have a major impact if we keep him involved and focused. He could easily hit 20+/8 for this team which isn't bad. He's not a defensive force, but he's no scrub either. You can win with him and I wouldn't use this season so far to prove that you can't. He didn't screw this up, Isiah did.
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1/5/2008  3:48 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Curry may be a flawed player, but if used properly the guy can be a force and you all know it. It's not all about his poor rebounding and help D. He's not a perfect Center, but the thing is that he can have a major impact if we keep him involved and focused. He could easily hit 20+/8 for this team which isn't bad. He's not a defensive force, but he's no scrub either. You can win with him and I wouldn't use this season so far to prove that you can't. He didn't screw this up, Isiah did.

No, he is pretty much a scrub. Curry, at times, has gotten some hype becuase he has put up a decent number of points at a high fg%, which makes people think he is somewhat efficient.

However, in order to put up that number of points two types of turnovers are created.
1.) His own personal turnovers(very high when his is getting the ball alot)
2.) Turnovers trying to get him the ball(quite numerous, becuase unlike other low post threats, he can only score from way down low, and so it is easy for the other team to anticipate the entry pass.)
This vastly decreases his efficienty. Not to mention the fact that he rarely produces assists. He is not making other players better. When you have a player that has zero ability to pass out of the post, you are disrupting the flow of the offense. At least Zach has the capacity to pass the ball and make decent decisions, which at least could give one hope for the future with the right teamates. There is no rational hope for Curry to develop this skill.

Furthermore, his rebounding is vastly overrated. Curry spends all his time at points very close to the basket, whether it be on offense or defense. When you are that close to the basket all the time, some balls are going to bounce to you. Perimeter offense players are going to get a lot less rebounds. Even a guy like david lee spends some time on the perimeter on offense(cause he can actually pass the ball unlike Curry) and guards guys on the perimeter on defense. Curry never guards guys on the perimeter on defense caue he is way to slow.

Curry's help defense is non-existent. He strongly contributes to our defensive problems as a team. His teamates know that he will not cover for him.
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1/5/2008  5:04 PM
Posted by Cash:
Posted by nixluva:

Curry may be a flawed player, but if used properly the guy can be a force and you all know it. It's not all about his poor rebounding and help D. He's not a perfect Center, but the thing is that he can have a major impact if we keep him involved and focused. He could easily hit 20+/8 for this team which isn't bad. He's not a defensive force, but he's no scrub either. You can win with him and I wouldn't use this season so far to prove that you can't. He didn't screw this up, Isiah did.

No, he is pretty much a scrub. Curry, at times, has gotten some hype becuase he has put up a decent number of points at a high fg%, which makes people think he is somewhat efficient.

However, in order to put up that number of points two types of turnovers are created.
1.) His own personal turnovers(very high when his is getting the ball alot)
2.) Turnovers trying to get him the ball(quite numerous, becuase unlike other low post threats, he can only score from way down low, and so it is easy for the other team to anticipate the entry pass.)
This vastly decreases his efficienty. Not to mention the fact that he rarely produces assists. He is not making other players better. When you have a player that has zero ability to pass out of the post, you are disrupting the flow of the offense. At least Zach has the capacity to pass the ball and make decent decisions, which at least could give one hope for the future with the right teamates. There is no rational hope for Curry to develop this skill.

Furthermore, his rebounding is vastly overrated. Curry spends all his time at points very close to the basket, whether it be on offense or defense. When you are that close to the basket all the time, some balls are going to bounce to you. Perimeter offense players are going to get a lot less rebounds. Even a guy like david lee spends some time on the perimeter on offense(cause he can actually pass the ball unlike Curry) and guards guys on the perimeter on defense. Curry never guards guys on the perimeter on defense caue he is way to slow.

Curry's help defense is non-existent. He strongly contributes to our defensive problems as a team. His teamates know that he will not cover for him.

NO HE'S NOT A SCRUB!!! He's a limited player, but he could easily be more effective with the right players around him and better coaching. NO ONE can stop him inside and they can't keep him out of the paint. He's mentally fragile and this is why he can so easily be taken out of a game. If our guards aren't getting him the ball as they should he can lose focus. If you get him the ball early and often he gains confidence and his energy level picks up and you get more effort from him. It's a simple thing. Curry is inconsistent because our guards are inconsistent. He would be dominant inside with a reliable set of Guards and SF.

When it comes to making other players better, there's an active approach like Jason Kidd, who doesn't demand a double, but instead makes great passes and then there is the passive manner in which a player creates open shots for teammates by virtue of his drawing extra defenders. Curry is obviously the latter. Since he can score at such a high % from in close, teams can't just ignore his presence and I think you highly underestimate just how disruptive he can be. The only reason he's not more effective is that he hasn't learned how to pass and we don't have shooters that teams fear enough not to leave so easily to double him. If we did you would be singing a different tune about Curry's game. My evidence is that in games when Jamal and STeph etc are hitting shots and teams are more reluctant to leave them open, Curry is dominant.

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1/5/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by nixluva:
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Posted by nixluva:

Curry may be a flawed player, but if used properly the guy can be a force and you all know it. It's not all about his poor rebounding and help D. He's not a perfect Center, but the thing is that he can have a major impact if we keep him involved and focused. He could easily hit 20+/8 for this team which isn't bad. He's not a defensive force, but he's no scrub either. You can win with him and I wouldn't use this season so far to prove that you can't. He didn't screw this up, Isiah did.

No, he is pretty much a scrub. Curry, at times, has gotten some hype becuase he has put up a decent number of points at a high fg%, which makes people think he is somewhat efficient.

However, in order to put up that number of points two types of turnovers are created.
1.) His own personal turnovers(very high when his is getting the ball alot)
2.) Turnovers trying to get him the ball(quite numerous, becuase unlike other low post threats, he can only score from way down low, and so it is easy for the other team to anticipate the entry pass.)
This vastly decreases his efficienty. Not to mention the fact that he rarely produces assists. He is not making other players better. When you have a player that has zero ability to pass out of the post, you are disrupting the flow of the offense. At least Zach has the capacity to pass the ball and make decent decisions, which at least could give one hope for the future with the right teamates. There is no rational hope for Curry to develop this skill.

Furthermore, his rebounding is vastly overrated. Curry spends all his time at points very close to the basket, whether it be on offense or defense. When you are that close to the basket all the time, some balls are going to bounce to you. Perimeter offense players are going to get a lot less rebounds. Even a guy like david lee spends some time on the perimeter on offense(cause he can actually pass the ball unlike Curry) and guards guys on the perimeter on defense. Curry never guards guys on the perimeter on defense caue he is way to slow.

Curry's help defense is non-existent. He strongly contributes to our defensive problems as a team. His teamates know that he will not cover for him.

NO HE'S NOT A SCRUB!!! He's a limited player, but he could easily be more effective with the right players around him and better coaching. NO ONE can stop him inside and they can't keep him out of the paint. He's mentally fragile and this is why he can so easily be taken out of a game. If our guards aren't getting him the ball as they should he can lose focus. If you get him the ball early and often he gains confidence and his energy level picks up and you get more effort from him. It's a simple thing. Curry is inconsistent because our guards are inconsistent. He would be dominant inside with a reliable set of Guards and SF.

When it comes to making other players better, there's an active approach like Jason Kidd, who doesn't demand a double, but instead makes great passes and then there is the passive manner in which a player creates open shots for teammates by virtue of his drawing extra defenders. Curry is obviously the latter. Since he can score at such a high % from in close, teams can't just ignore his presence and I think you highly underestimate just how disruptive he can be. The only reason he's not more effective is that he hasn't learned how to pass and we don't have shooters that teams fear enough not to leave so easily to double him. If we did you would be singing a different tune about Curry's game. My evidence is that in games when Jamal and STeph etc are hitting shots and teams are more reluctant to leave them open, Curry is dominant.

It might be true that no one player can stop Curry, but that is completely irrelevant because teams can simply double team him. And when teams do double team him, it is a highly effective strategy that results in lots of turnovers and lower percentage shots.

If Curry had the ability(reaction time) to pass out of the double teams he would be making his teamates better. As it stands now, teams cannot double team him until he gets the ball, and once Curry gets the ball, the ball is not coming back unless he immediately passes it back. Curry is clearly not creating open shots for his teammates by passing out of double teams.

One might try to argue that just by being there he is creating a little bit of space for the other shooters before they pass, which maybe it is creating a "little bit of space," but when you combine that one thing with all the things he does horribly, he is basically a scrub.

I'd be really surprised if someone went back and found that Quentin Richardson's, Jamal Crawford's, and Stephon Marbury's fg% had increased because they were playing with Eddy Curry. Furthermore, even if you have one player that is a great shooter and thus you cannot double off that man to guard Curry, you can't have a team of shooters. You are always going to have defender's on the floor who can leave their man, and the other team will double from that position. It doesn't matter how you set the offense up. Even if it is an obvious and easy pass to make, most times Curry can't find the open man cause the game is too quick for him.

An additional major problem with what you are saying is that the one player that has chemistry with Eddy Curry is Jamal Crawford and he is a terrible shooter. What happens when you bring in a shooter that has no chemistry with Curry? How does Curry perform then? How much do you have to pander to a player that brings so little to the table as far as what is necessary to a team's success?
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1/5/2008  6:33 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Cash:
Posted by nixluva:

Curry may be a flawed player, but if used properly the guy can be a force and you all know it. It's not all about his poor rebounding and help D. He's not a perfect Center, but the thing is that he can have a major impact if we keep him involved and focused. He could easily hit 20+/8 for this team which isn't bad. He's not a defensive force, but he's no scrub either. You can win with him and I wouldn't use this season so far to prove that you can't. He didn't screw this up, Isiah did.

No, he is pretty much a scrub. Curry, at times, has gotten some hype becuase he has put up a decent number of points at a high fg%, which makes people think he is somewhat efficient.

However, in order to put up that number of points two types of turnovers are created.
1.) His own personal turnovers(very high when his is getting the ball alot)
2.) Turnovers trying to get him the ball(quite numerous, becuase unlike other low post threats, he can only score from way down low, and so it is easy for the other team to anticipate the entry pass.)
This vastly decreases his efficienty. Not to mention the fact that he rarely produces assists. He is not making other players better. When you have a player that has zero ability to pass out of the post, you are disrupting the flow of the offense. At least Zach has the capacity to pass the ball and make decent decisions, which at least could give one hope for the future with the right teamates. There is no rational hope for Curry to develop this skill.

Furthermore, his rebounding is vastly overrated. Curry spends all his time at points very close to the basket, whether it be on offense or defense. When you are that close to the basket all the time, some balls are going to bounce to you. Perimeter offense players are going to get a lot less rebounds. Even a guy like david lee spends some time on the perimeter on offense(cause he can actually pass the ball unlike Curry) and guards guys on the perimeter on defense. Curry never guards guys on the perimeter on defense caue he is way to slow.

Curry's help defense is non-existent. He strongly contributes to our defensive problems as a team. His teamates know that he will not cover for him.

NO HE'S NOT A SCRUB!!! He's a limited player, but he could easily be more effective with the right players around him and better coaching. NO ONE can stop him inside and they can't keep him out of the paint. He's mentally fragile and this is why he can so easily be taken out of a game. If our guards aren't getting him the ball as they should he can lose focus. If you get him the ball early and often he gains confidence and his energy level picks up and you get more effort from him. It's a simple thing. Curry is inconsistent because our guards are inconsistent. He would be dominant inside with a reliable set of Guards and SF.

When it comes to making other players better, there's an active approach like Jason Kidd, who doesn't demand a double, but instead makes great passes and then there is the passive manner in which a player creates open shots for teammates by virtue of his drawing extra defenders. Curry is obviously the latter. Since he can score at such a high % from in close, teams can't just ignore his presence and I think you highly underestimate just how disruptive he can be. The only reason he's not more effective is that he hasn't learned how to pass and we don't have shooters that teams fear enough not to leave so easily to double him. If we did you would be singing a different tune about Curry's game. My evidence is that in games when Jamal and STeph etc are hitting shots and teams are more reluctant to leave them open, Curry is dominant.
He's already had SEVEN different coaches in his nba career. How many players dramatically changed their games due to a specific coach anyway?
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1/5/2008  6:47 PM
Posted by Cash:
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Eddy Curry is the Tim Thomas of Centers. He isn't the type of person that is a major contributor on a winning team.


Superficially that is a really good comparison.

However, the funny thing about Tim Thomas is that he has been on 6 playoff teams, including one with the knicks. And, he was playing amazingly well for the phoenix team a few years ago.

The comparison really breaks down further when you consider why they are not achieving. Tim thomas was not motivated, wheras Curry's problem is a lot more about reaction time. Curry is just not very good at reacting to the play at hand, which is a large part of his problem. He is just amazingly mentally slow. You can't help defend, when you can't react to the play that is developing.

haven't you ever watched Tim Thomas try to play defense & react to rotations? he's as slow witted as they come when it comes to playing D, just like Curry... at least w/Curry he has that whole weight issue to help explain some of his slow footed reactions.
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1/5/2008  6:50 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Curry may be a flawed player, but if used properly the guy can be a force and you all know it. It's not all about his poor rebounding and help D. He's not a perfect Center, but the thing is that he can have a major impact if we keep him involved and focused. He could easily hit 20+/8 for this team which isn't bad. He's not a defensive force, but he's no scrub either. You can win with him and I wouldn't use this season so far to prove that you can't. He didn't screw this up, Isiah did.

have to say i agree w/u 100% on this one... he's shown that he can dominate on the offensive end... scrubs are guys like Foyle, Turd, Jefferies, Travis Knight, etc... Eddy Curry is far from being a scrub... he's just plain lazy... very talented & has the ability to be very good, but doesn't have any of the motivation to work at it.
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1/5/2008  7:57 PM
Posted by playa2:

The knicks have never relied on rookie talent to go to the playoffs and compete for a chip, what makes you think we will do that now.

Regardless if it's checketts or layden or Isiah, veterans will have to be the main components to bring the knicks closer to the playoff savy we were use to in the 90's.

Young players can't consistently handle the media, the crowd let alone the opponents night in and night out.


What about Portland?
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1/5/2008  8:06 PM
I can't believe what I'm reading. How can you defend and want Eddy Curry? Are some of you drunk?

Curry is everything I hate in a player. He's lazy, has no energy and he's heartless. Enough about him being young. This is his 7th season!! He's not going to get better. Enough about him being dominant on offense!! That's just crazy!! By Curry being your go-to-guy, you run a stagnant offense and will have a ton of turnovers and you will shoot a lot of bad shots against the shot clock. And defensively, Curry is the worst Center in the entire league. Your Center is supposed to be the backbone and anchor on D. And Curry provides absolutely no help. None!! And to top it all off, Curry would be stuffing his face with pizza and beer in his parents basement if he was a few inches shorter. He has no motivation!! None!! Every damn year he comes into camp in worse shape!! The guy is such a loser too!! Celebrating last nights loss!! Talking about how it felt like last year. They won 33 games!!

I cannot root for Curry. I just cannot. It's like rooting for a thief to succeed in life.
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1/5/2008  8:11 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Curry may be a flawed player, but if used properly the guy can be a force and you all know it. It's not all about his poor rebounding and help D. He's not a perfect Center, but the thing is that he can have a major impact if we keep him involved and focused. He could easily hit 20+/8 for this team which isn't bad. He's not a defensive force, but he's no scrub either. You can win with him and I wouldn't use this season so far to prove that you can't. He didn't screw this up, Isiah did.

Eddy Curry will never EVER average 8 rpg. He's not capable of doing so. That is fact.

Funny you say you will not use this season as prove. What about the other years? Were they flukes too?

Give me a break!! Curry will NEVER make it to the Playoffs in his career. Just watch. You cannot win with the WORST defensive Center in the entire league. You simply cannot. The next regime MUST trade Curry.
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1/5/2008  8:29 PM
It is pretty easy to go there and let Eddy get 20/8 (with 0,5 bpg, 0,5 apg and 3tpg), but some of you dont seem to accept that the way he plays the game is really bad for a team full of no-defense players, and even more considering how important is the C position in that department. Unless you have a very solid PF and SF playing alonside him, apart from decent defensive guards, his 20/8 will mean tons of lost games. You just cant afford Eddy Curry playing 35/40 mpg in our team the way it is built.
Curry would deliver in San Antonio playing 25/30 mins per night and I have no doubt about it, and that goes without mentioning how much he would probably improve on the defensive end there, but the point is that Eddy is a useful player in some very very special teams, and the Knicks is not one of them.
That being said, I admit I was happy with the Randolph trade and I like Zach much better than Curry, But they way our roster is built, it makes A LOT of more sense to play Curry and Lee rather than Randolph and Lee. So, with what we have, it seems logical to bench Randolph, because you can blame Isiah all you want about his poor coaching, but everytime Randolph gets the ball, you know he will try to score, thats the way he has been playing and that will not change because, in spite of what some of you think, he is a very efficient scorer.
The main subject here is... do you think it make sense to trade 11 players (we would need at the very least 2 seasons) to make Curry an efficient player (I mean that his 20/8 would transate into wins) or trade him to find other solutions and players to rebuild?
Right now, with what I have seen from Eddy and our roster, Im pretty sure the second option is the best one.
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1/5/2008  8:31 PM
Posted by Klytus:

I can't believe what I'm reading. How can you defend and want Eddy Curry? Are some of you drunk?

Curry is everything I hate in a player. He's lazy, has no energy and he's heartless. Enough about him being young. This is his 7th season!! He's not going to get better. Enough about him being dominant on offense!! That's just crazy!! By Curry being your go-to-guy, you run a stagnant offense and will have a ton of turnovers and you will shoot a lot of bad shots against the shot clock. And defensively, Curry is the worst Center in the entire league. Your Center is supposed to be the backbone and anchor on D. And Curry provides absolutely no help. None!! And to top it all off, Curry would be stuffing his face with pizza and beer in his parents basement if he was a few inches shorter. He has no motivation!! None!! Every damn year he comes into camp in worse shape!! The guy is such a loser too!! Celebrating last nights loss!! Talking about how it felt like last year. They won 33 games!!

I cannot root for Curry. I just cannot. It's like rooting for a thief to succeed in life.

There are plenty who post on this forum who have tunnel vision. You can point out stats, facts, show video, pull quotes from articles, state what other analyst have said,..... etc etc etc and yet you'll have some who just don't care about all of that.

This play sums up Curry in a nutshell

LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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1/6/2008  1:01 AM
Posted by Klytus:

I can't believe what I'm reading. How can you defend and want Eddy Curry? Are some of you drunk?

Curry is everything I hate in a player. He's lazy, has no energy and he's heartless. Enough about him being young. This is his 7th season!! He's not going to get better. Enough about him being dominant on offense!! That's just crazy!! By Curry being your go-to-guy, you run a stagnant offense and will have a ton of turnovers and you will shoot a lot of bad shots against the shot clock. And defensively, Curry is the worst Center in the entire league. Your Center is supposed to be the backbone and anchor on D. And Curry provides absolutely no help. None!! And to top it all off, Curry would be stuffing his face with pizza and beer in his parents basement if he was a few inches shorter. He has no motivation!! None!! Every damn year he comes into camp in worse shape!! The guy is such a loser too!! Celebrating last nights loss!! Talking about how it felt like last year. They won 33 games!!

I cannot root for Curry. I just cannot. It's like rooting for a thief to succeed in life.

what about anything i've said on this thread suggests to u that i'm blindly rooting for the guy w/o considering the reality of his laziness as a player? i don't root for Curry... i root for the Knicks... this has nothing to do w/who i do or don't root for... it's being realistic & not closing the blinds & posting emotionally like certain others on this thread by saying the guy is complete garbage when you damn well know he's got a lot more talent & ability than players who we would classify as true scrubs in this league... it's sad that some of you can't post without taking the hyperbole over the top when it concerns some of the players on this roster... to listen to some of you you'd think no one on this team has any business playing in the NBA.
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Posted by TMS:
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I can't believe what I'm reading. How can you defend and want Eddy Curry? Are some of you drunk?

Curry is everything I hate in a player. He's lazy, has no energy and he's heartless. Enough about him being young. This is his 7th season!! He's not going to get better. Enough about him being dominant on offense!! That's just crazy!! By Curry being your go-to-guy, you run a stagnant offense and will have a ton of turnovers and you will shoot a lot of bad shots against the shot clock. And defensively, Curry is the worst Center in the entire league. Your Center is supposed to be the backbone and anchor on D. And Curry provides absolutely no help. None!! And to top it all off, Curry would be stuffing his face with pizza and beer in his parents basement if he was a few inches shorter. He has no motivation!! None!! Every damn year he comes into camp in worse shape!! The guy is such a loser too!! Celebrating last nights loss!! Talking about how it felt like last year. They won 33 games!!

I cannot root for Curry. I just cannot. It's like rooting for a thief to succeed in life.

what about anything i've said on this thread suggests to u that i'm blindly rooting for the guy w/o considering the reality of his laziness as a player? i don't root for Curry... i root for the Knicks... this has nothing to do w/who i do or don't root for... it's being realistic & not closing the blinds & posting emotionally like certain others on this thread by saying the guy is complete garbage when you damn well know he's got a lot more talent & ability than players who we would classify as true scrubs in this league... it's sad that some of you can't post without taking the hyperbole over the top when it concerns some of the players on this roster... to listen to some of you you'd think no one on this team has any business playing in the NBA.

No, Eddy Curry is not a total scrub like Jared Jeffries or Quentin Richardson but considering what they gave up for him and the expectations, he is a scrub. And to be honest, I don't want ANY of these current players on the team. Not even one. They all stink.
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1/6/2008  4:27 PM
if ur gonna judge him based on what we gave up for him obviously he doesn't live up to the expectations... he is what he is... i am under no illusions that he'll ever progress into a franchise player for us to warrant giving up those picks at this point... obviously if u could undo that trade u would, but at the time i can understand why Isiah made the move... no one could have really projected this team going into the tank the way it did to net giving up a couple top lottery picks in that deal... anyway, nothing i ever say on the matter will satisfy the Curry critics, so we'll just leave it at that.

for the record, i don't like Eddy Curry... i hate lazy players that play no D & show no passion for the game they're paid millions to play... but calling him garbage is uncalled for if u ask me... the guy has talent & he can be effective in the right system & if u put the right players around him contrary to true scrubs who you can't expect any better out of no matter where they play.

& i agree w/u on the majority of the players on this team... this roster is completely flawed & i wouldn't mind one bit if they blew the whole thing up & started over from scratch, but that's not very realistic under the present circumstances... as long as Dolan is in charge & he continues his love affair w/Isiah, we're going to have to try & mold this thing into something that vaguely makes sense, & the way to do that is to balance out the roster & cull some of the repetitive parts & replace them w/players that complement the remaining talent.
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1/6/2008  4:51 PM
for the record, i don't like Eddy Curry... i hate lazy players that play no D & show no passion for the game they're paid millions to play... but calling him garbage is uncalled for if u ask me... the guy has talent & he can be effective in the right system
But that gets to the core of the issue: (a) Does having talent mean you're not garbage? and (b) Does being able to fit in "the right system" mean you're not garbage?
I'd say categorically no to (a). You can have all the talent in the world and be worthless. I view (b) highly skeptically because it's so hypothetical and IMO vague. I also don't think any team with the right system (if that includes a winning atmosphere) would ever include a lazy player, out of shape player.
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1/6/2008  5:13 PM
to me, Eddy Curry follows much in the same mold as Tim Thomas & Darius Miles... all extremely talented players, none of them w/the drive or motivation to be the players they can be... in the case of the latter 2, being knuckleheads whereas Eddy is just plain lazy.

to me, "garbage" means completely worthless... it's hard for me to call a player garbage that is capable of putting up 30 / 10 games on any given night if he puts his mind to it... even as much as i hate Fugazy i don't think i've ever called him garbage either... you should know since u were one of his biggest defenders on this & other forums for the longest Bonn... to me i think much of the anger & bitterness that is directed at Curry is because of the price we paid to bring him here... many of the labels being put on the guy are borne out of emotion & not completely out of non-biased observation of the player... i don't think any garbage players have ever looked dominant against allstars in the NBA... i also don't think if u polled the majority of players around the league who have to defend the guy in the paint that they'd say Curry was garbage either, but that's just a guess.

it's easy for fans like us who have zero idea of what it entails to play in the league to make these "expert" opinions on these players because we don't know what it's like to play against these guys... but it's also not hard to see that any player who can show glimpses of excellence the way Curry has sporadically over his career is more than just "worthless" if u look at it w/an objective eye.
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1/6/2008  5:37 PM
Well if you don't think Tim Thomas is garbage, then we're never gonna agree on EY Curry!
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1/6/2008  6:48 PM
that's pretty funny coming from you when u were the one to constantly remind me of the "16 & 5" that Timmy was averaging whenever i would go on my rants about his laziness on D.
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