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kam77
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1/4/2008  10:53 PM
Besides... we'd win too many games if we did that.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/4/2008  10:54 PM
Posted by kam77:

That was proposed and shot down in another thread. Something about him not wanting to play here.


Who, Ben Wallace? Does it matter? I don't recall him having a NTC
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1/4/2008  10:54 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

miami might want him

Good idea. For whatever reason Riley seems to have no problem trading for malcontents lately.
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1/4/2008  10:55 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph would impede Bynum's growth. With a good coach like phil I think Randolph and be pretty good. anway the default answer to this question is yes you do trade Randolph because everyone on this roster save maybe 1 or 2 guys should be traded.
Good point. People ignore that fact that Isiah is a horrible coach. Phil Jackson the majority of times works good with big men.
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1/4/2008  10:56 PM
It seems like it makes sense for both teams. Bulls are not getting much of Ben and committing a lot of salary. Zach runs another year, but at least he gives them what they need, inside scoring. They have enough D to play around him and also have shooters. He'd seem to be a good fit there.

For us, Ben might be done, but he'd serve two purposes- kick Curry's ass in practice and also be his bodyguard in the games- hit the boards and close the lane off on D. Maybe he can't play anymore and he's another Antonio Davis. At least his contract runs a year shorter than Zach.
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1/4/2008  10:57 PM
Why does Miami want anyone, they have a worse record than we do and how in the world does Zach play with Shaq.
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Posted by BigC:
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph would impede Bynum's growth. With a good coach like phil I think Randolph and be pretty good. anway the default answer to this question is yes you do trade Randolph because everyone on this roster save maybe 1 or 2 guys should be traded.
Good point. People ignore that fact that Isiah is a horrible coach. Phil Jackson the majority of times works good with big men.

phil jackson and big men:

cartwright, horace grant - do either of them demand the ball?
wennington/longley, rodman - do they?
shaq, horace grant - does horace?

bynum is developing into a big time big man. he's getting more and more touches. if you were the gm, why would you bring in zach and possibly not only hurt your chemistry but hurt his development. if you were kupchak, would you make that trade? if you were phil, why take on that unnecessary challenge? that's like an almost all-in move which has a much higher chance to fail than succeed.
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1/4/2008  11:03 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Why does Miami want anyone, they have a worse record than we do and how in the world does Zach play with Shaq.

They have wade in his prime and little chance to improve. Shaq is basically Ben Wallace now, so they could use scoring up front.
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1/4/2008  11:04 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph would impede Bynum's growth. With a good coach like phil I think Randolph and be pretty good. anway the default answer to this question is yes you do trade Randolph because everyone on this roster save maybe 1 or 2 guys should be traded.
Good point. People ignore that fact that Isiah is a horrible coach. Phil Jackson the majority of times works good with big men.

phil jackson and big men:

cartwright, horace grant - do either of them demand the ball?
wennington/longley, rodman - do they?
shaq, horace grant - does horace?

bynum is developing into a big time big man. he's getting more and more touches. if you were the gm, why would you bring in zach and possibly not only hurt your chemistry but hurt his development. if you were kupchak, would you make that trade? if you were phil, why take on that unnecessary challenge? that's like an almost all-in move which has a much higher chance to fail than succeed.

do you have a better idea of who we could trade him to? I'm sure someone would take him.
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1/4/2008  11:07 PM
I mentioned this trade in another thread:

Zach to the Nets for Collins (expires with Marb and Malik), Magloire (expires this summer and Marcus Williams. This trade works according to the trade picker.

Magloire and Collins are for salary dump purposes and Williams is the future point. Williams is almost like getting another pick because it would allow us to focus on another position in the draft (2g Mayo, SF Greene, big man, Hardin, Jordan....)

[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-01-2008 11:08 PM]
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1/4/2008  11:08 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

I mentioned this trade in another thread:

Zach to the Nets for Collins (expires with Marb and Malik), Magloire (expires this summer and Marcus Williams.

Magloire and Collins are for salary dump purposes and Williams is the future point. Williams is almost like getting another pick because it would allow us to focus on another position in the draft (2g Mayo, SF Greene, big man, Hardin, Jordan....)

I don't know if the Nets would give up Williams for Zach. But at the same time without Williams I don't think we get enough. Maybe if you replace Williams with the Net's first rounder this season.
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1/4/2008  11:08 PM
Is it too soon to just give him the Penny Hardaway treatment? I don't want to take back another long, terrible contract. At some point, this franchise has to stop recycling mistakes... because that's what's happening.

Because I don't believe it is coincidence the Knicks were competitive tonight without his presence... and the Blazers are playing theit best ball in God knows how long without his me-first attitude.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-04-2008 11:10 PM]
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1/4/2008  11:09 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by VDesai:

Why does Miami want anyone, they have a worse record than we do and how in the world does Zach play with Shaq.

They have wade in his prime and little chance to improve. Shaq is basically Ben Wallace now, so they could use scoring up front.

Shaq can still score- he still shoots 60% and drops 14 in less than 30 mpg. Either way he's still under contract and I can't see Zach and Shaq operating down low together- same as here. And I don't see Miami thinking Zach is a viable long term option to play with Wade. They can dicate which malcontent they want with Williams and Davis' expirings.
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1/4/2008  11:11 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph would impede Bynum's growth. With a good coach like phil I think Randolph and be pretty good. anway the default answer to this question is yes you do trade Randolph because everyone on this roster save maybe 1 or 2 guys should be traded.
Good point. People ignore that fact that Isiah is a horrible coach. Phil Jackson the majority of times works good with big men.

phil jackson and big men:

cartwright, horace grant - do either of them demand the ball?
wennington/longley, rodman - do they?
shaq, horace grant - does horace?

bynum is developing into a big time big man. he's getting more and more touches. if you were the gm, why would you bring in zach and possibly not only hurt your chemistry but hurt his development. if you were kupchak, would you make that trade? if you were phil, why take on that unnecessary challenge? that's like an almost all-in move which has a much higher chance to fail than succeed.

do you have a better idea of who we could trade him to? I'm sure someone would take him.

trades for guys like zach are so tough to come up with.

think about it, if someone posted, we should trade zach for francis and frye on this board last year, what do you think the response would be?

we have to look at some bad 2 year deals or something like kam brought up with cleveland. that's the type of deals we're looking at.

but when you come up with a deal, really think about the other side. and forget about "on paper" crap, b/c we know first hand what "on paper" teams look like.

you know a team that MAY be interesting...dallas. b/c they have a strong system, strong staff, strong ownership, and will spend money. but all we can get is something like dampier. but then again, would dallas take that gamble?

remember, we are one of the worst teams in the league so we are in such a position of weakness that coming up with deals is very difficult.
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1/4/2008  11:14 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph would impede Bynum's growth. With a good coach like phil I think Randolph and be pretty good. anway the default answer to this question is yes you do trade Randolph because everyone on this roster save maybe 1 or 2 guys should be traded.
Good point. People ignore that fact that Isiah is a horrible coach. Phil Jackson the majority of times works good with big men.

phil jackson and big men:

cartwright, horace grant - do either of them demand the ball?
wennington/longley, rodman - do they?
shaq, horace grant - does horace?

bynum is developing into a big time big man. he's getting more and more touches. if you were the gm, why would you bring in zach and possibly not only hurt your chemistry but hurt his development. if you were kupchak, would you make that trade? if you were phil, why take on that unnecessary challenge? that's like an almost all-in move which has a much higher chance to fail than succeed.

Are you really saying that Phil Zach can't coach Zach? For the most part Phil Jackson has brought out the best in his big men. You really are under estimating Phil's coaching ability. Phil Jackson brings out the best in players. Whether they demand the ball or not. Zach has played well before. This is not his first time in the league. He played on a Blazers team that shared the ball in the past. The last couple of years in Portland the team was not that good. Who was Zach suppose to pass to? Roy missed many games last year.

Really are you saying Zach can't be coached by Phil Jackson when Zach has been coached by coaches that are not even on Phil Jackson level?



[Edited by - BigC on 01-04-2008 11:18 PM]
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1/4/2008  11:16 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph would impede Bynum's growth. With a good coach like phil I think Randolph and be pretty good. anway the default answer to this question is yes you do trade Randolph because everyone on this roster save maybe 1 or 2 guys should be traded.
Good point. People ignore that fact that Isiah is a horrible coach. Phil Jackson the majority of times works good with big men.

phil jackson and big men:

cartwright, horace grant - do either of them demand the ball?
wennington/longley, rodman - do they?
shaq, horace grant - does horace?

bynum is developing into a big time big man. he's getting more and more touches. if you were the gm, why would you bring in zach and possibly not only hurt your chemistry but hurt his development. if you were kupchak, would you make that trade? if you were phil, why take on that unnecessary challenge? that's like an almost all-in move which has a much higher chance to fail than succeed.

Are really saying that Phil Zach can't coach Zach? For the most part Phil Jackson has brought out the best in his big men. You really are under estimating Phil's coaching ability. Phil Jackson brings out the best in players. Whether they demand the ball or not. Zach has played well before. This is not his first time in the league. He played on a Blazers team that shared the ball in the past. The last couple of years in Portland the team was not that good. Who was Zach suppose to pass to? Roy missed many games last year.

Really are you saying Zach can't be coached by Phil Jackson when Zach has been coached by coaches that are not even on Phil Jackson level?

i'm not saying he can't coach them. but i'm not going to say that he's going to make it work either. i'm asking WHY would the lakers take that risk on now?
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1/4/2008  11:16 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Why does Miami want anyone, they have a worse record than we do and how in the world does Zach play with Shaq.

The best move is to get the number 1 draft pick. Not make trades if you are the Heat or Knicks. If you have Wade and Rose in the backcourt that is a good way to start rebuilding your franchise if you are the Heat.

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Posted by BigC:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph would impede Bynum's growth. With a good coach like phil I think Randolph and be pretty good. anway the default answer to this question is yes you do trade Randolph because everyone on this roster save maybe 1 or 2 guys should be traded.
Good point. People ignore that fact that Isiah is a horrible coach. Phil Jackson the majority of times works good with big men.

phil jackson and big men:

cartwright, horace grant - do either of them demand the ball?
wennington/longley, rodman - do they?
shaq, horace grant - does horace?

bynum is developing into a big time big man. he's getting more and more touches. if you were the gm, why would you bring in zach and possibly not only hurt your chemistry but hurt his development. if you were kupchak, would you make that trade? if you were phil, why take on that unnecessary challenge? that's like an almost all-in move which has a much higher chance to fail than succeed.

Are really saying that Phil Zach can't coach Zach? For the most part Phil Jackson has brought out the best in his big men. You really are under estimating Phil's coaching ability. Phil Jackson brings out the best in players. Whether they demand the ball or not. Zach has played well before. This is not his first time in the league. He played on a Blazers team that shared the ball in the past. The last couple of years in Portland the team was not that good. Who was Zach suppose to pass to? Roy missed many games last year.

Really are you saying Zach can't be coached by Phil Jackson when Zach has been coached by coaches that are not even on Phil Jackson level?

Phil probably could coach Zach... but I don't see anything that makes me thinks Phil would WANT to coach him. All of Zach's quotes defy Phil's coaching style. I just can't see him looking to disrupt an already balanced inside/outside attack. They've already got Odom playing third fiddle. I can't see Zach thriving as a team player and deferring to two or three other guys.
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1/4/2008  11:19 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by VDesai:

Why does Miami want anyone, they have a worse record than we do and how in the world does Zach play with Shaq.

The best move is to get the number 1 draft pick. Not make trades if you are the Heat or Knicks. If you have Wade and Rose in the backcourt that is a good way to start rebuilding your franchise if you are the Heat.

Agreed. If only there were a way to subtract from the Knicks without addition.
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