I see what you're saying, but before it gets to that point, we have guards that couldn't stop a corpse. Spree is woefully undersized at the 3, yet has to guard the teams best offensive player too many times. Housless... well, what can you say about his 'D'? Even our other frontline players just can't compete on the defensive end, probably also due to the lack of size.

So I understand your point, but my big beef is that too many times last year it seemed they didn't even TRY. That's unacceptable, particularly in this city, where if you don't try, people just sweep you aside.

A lot of postas go crazy cuz NY is now 'scoring more'. What they fail to realize is that NY isn't skilled enuff to win by trying to outscore other teams. Too many times we lose the battle of 'best player' before the tip-off with Allan as ours, and it spirals down from there. This is considering Housless had his best offensive year as a professional last year.

Posted by prodson:

at one point this past season i admit that i had to play mind games with myself into not watching any of the knicks games i will admit it.

i've bashed all the players over the course of the season. especially clarence weatherspoon...

i've shown love for all the players over the course of the season. except clarence weatherspoon...

Just can't get past that neck, huh?

I love the Knicks because my first NBA game ever was on my 14th Birthday. My dad took me to see the Knicks play the Celtics. It was the year Larry Bird sat out a lot because of his back so he didnt play. I have been a fan ever since. Going to the Knicks-Bulls playoff games, watching Ewing battle down low, Doc Rivers, Harper, Starks, X Man, Anthony, Mason, Oak, Spree, Houston, Camby - these are the guys that made me love this team and even though things are bleak now I know in the future we will have a squad again. It will just take some time. Even though last season was bad, that night at the garden when Patrick returned made the season for me. It was just like the old playoff games I used to go watch with my dad. The garden had that special buzz to it again. We need that energy back - we need a player to rally around and a team that can put it all on the court.

its funny you mention that....that Gerald Wilkins, Ewing, XMan, Oakley team made me a fan also. Jordon was the only guy I really knew much about, the Yankee's stunk and Ray Handley was coaching the Giants. I have been a die hard fan ever since. The only thing I dont do is go to 20 games a year. I would buy tickets on ebay, brokers...whatever. I still love them but I just can pay good money to see Spoon get rejected from behind by the other teams pg (again).

oasis that was a good post i've never been to ny or the garden but i agree the atmosphere at ewing's retirement came across the same as the atmosphere when the bulls would play the knicks in the playoffs.

one thing i can say about those series where that you didn't want to miss a second of the game. every second was worth watching

the pacers. the heat. the bulls. even the raptors were classic knicks series. the first year they played in the playoffs when vince and mcgrady did whatever they wanted to the knicks frontcourt all year long and then the knicks somehow pulled out that series even shocking diehard fans is what new york knicks basketball is about. or WAS about.

it's like that.."you will have to beat us to beat us" attitude that they brandished

maybe that's why most love sprewell so much.

when you are a knicks fan having the most talent never mattered much. sprewell might be the only knick that plays with some emotion.

remember when we first saw kurt thomas with the box fade haircut and we were like, "HUH?"...and then when he ran up to jalen rose from behind and slapped him in the back of the head,...you were like, "YEAAAHHH"...

Those were the good old days. Those Knicks team, moreso than any other that followed it, seemed to me to represent NEW YORK. It's not always the most talented person to succeed, but the one willing to bust his butt and not take no for an answer.

You look at the players those teams had and, outside of Ewing, you won't find a bonafide Hall of Fame caliber player. Mjax is the only one who's borderline and it's solely due to the amount of assists he's accumulated, not his individual skills. Yet you saw that all of them thought they were great and played like no one could take them down. If it weren't for that MJ guy...

I've said this before on the old forum: people go buck wild cuz NY is now 'free' of Riley's and JVG's stale offenses. While that may or may not be true, the fact is that THE GARDEN ROCKED every 4th quarter while those teams played. For me it's better to watch a tight 83-79 NY win where the Defense locks down the opponents than to watch a 105-93 loss where the result was known with 8 minutes left in the game.

A great moment was in the playoffs against INDIANA when STARKS headbutted REGGIE MILLER & then OAKLEY & EWING ran over to STARKS & started pushing him, yelling at him & chest bumping off the court so he wouldn't get ejected !!!! That was brotherly love !!!

I remember starks in the crowd, he look like someone stole his puppy. when i saw that I knew that era was gone and when oak left I had to let the 94 team go from my mind and deal with the new guys. And then when they went in 99 it showed me that the knicks still had heart. But jez the way they traded pat after he tried to play on his two bum ankles in the final with the spurs. He gave them everything in that he could that finals. ever since that the knicks were never the same. the knicks were known for playing with so much heart and the players most of the time played their butts of, and when it was time for organization to show some heart they turned their back on the guy that keep them in the playoffs and played with some heart for all those years. It just proved nobody is safe in the nba from trades not even the teams go to guy. (Even the military shows respect for their veterans)

You know whats funny every player that had heart on the knicks got traded and spree one of the last guys on the knicks that have heart is on the trading block. Lets see player with heart: ewing, starks, oak, mase,camby,ward, childs, harper,thomas, lj (add if see fit). Players without heart: h20, charles smith, anthony bonner,luc longly, rice,travis knight, (add as you see fit)
Before this season I would have put anderson, spoon, eisley, harrington, in the no heart section but i think they showed some heart this season.

I could be reaching though