So far it makes no sense to me and many others. All I can say is what I know about Iowa, from first hand experience and I'm not' about to let Iowa influence me for a second. If he ends up winning everyithing, it will be one of the most baffling things anyone has ever seen. Is it good is the question? No one knows.

Posted by PresIke:

Let's put it this way...

A black man just won in a state that is 95% white(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/19000.html). Apparently 93% of voters in the caucus identified as white, according to CNN, just now.

And speaking in logic terms, of the 95% white, you have to keep in mind, only a couple hundred thousand people participated in this caucass. A portion of the states 2,900,000 plus popullation. And from what I understand, no one knows what the exact count was. Obama's people should know that it was very close for them too. They may not get the same results in the New Hampshire running coming up next. We'll see.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I got through the first 12 seconds of this smut. I'm not even gonna finish it. Yeah, real intelligent putting this up and real stupid for trying.

Dude, it's a joke. Smut? There's a joke on there about Chapelle not getting assassinated because he'd have a Mexican President, and that would close the borders. This was one of the most successful standups around and there is a reason Comedy Central plays it unedited over and over again. Don't like it or me for posting it? edited out. sorry.

I'm just going to write this here because I don't want to call attention to it and I'll deal with my lumps... I'm sorry for being nothing short of a jerk there. I thought it was something insightful on politics and race in America, because the joke is about the truth. As a black man running for President there are certain things individuals do have to worry about. When it got called smut, I took it as an attack on some of my core beliefs, which clearly was not the intent. I apologize for my overreaction. I was hoping to edit that out, actually. I guess that's why the say you shouldn't talk politics. Just know I am sincerely and genuinely sorry and I only hope I can continue to prove that isn't the type of person I usually am.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-03-2008 11:53 PM]

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-04-2008 12:11 AM]

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I got through the first 12 seconds of this smut. I'm not even gonna finish it. Yeah, real intelligent putting this up and real stupid for trying.

Dude, it's a joke. Smut? There's a joke on there about Chapelle not getting assassinated because he'd have a Mexican President, and that would close the borders. This was one of the most successful standups around and there is a reason Comedy Central plays it unedited over and over again. Don't like it or me for posting it? Go **** yourself then.

hey Supremem. Knock it off right quick with remarks like the last line. Maybe some can't appreciate the humor or whatever. Telling someone to **** off or whatever shows some real lack of respect or forthought or ability to let some stuff go or whatever. Just move on and ignore.

Right wing this......

Obama is gonna win cuz he is a good, smart and approachable. When he speaks......its hard not to like him. He's been saying the right things and relating to everyone. His experience means nothing cuz nobody can prepare for being president. He's a pretty remarkable person if you ask me. Winning Iowa is a shocker. This will be a race for the history books.

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by PresIke:

Let's put it this way...

A black man just won in a state that is 95% white(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/19000.html). Apparently 93% of voters in the caucus identified as white, according to CNN, just now.

Whether he is a Democrat or not is important, but the common logic would dictate that outside of states with significant urban populations, and more liberal politics, if you are black either you are a Republican or one who touts your Christian beliefs everywhere you go. Otherwise you can't win.

Obama is not only black, but of Muslim lineage, although he is a practicing Christian.

This is somewhat unprecedented I think, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong, and my own view about the common logic may be disputed.

Has there ever been a black candidate like Obama? There have only been a handful to have ever ran- off the type of my head Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson and Alan Keyes. Chisolm was very accomplished, but as a black female, unfortunately had more than one thing working against her and ran back in the early 70's which was probably not a time when America was "ready." Jess Jackson, for all his merits or demerits, has always been a divisive figure. Keyes is way outside of the mainstream and a social conservative. Perhaps I'm missing someone, as I'm probably going out of my element here.

Obama is probably the first black candidate to truly have mainstream appeal and he couldn't come at a better time. Lots of disillusionment and lots of people looking for a new face that's not really part of the old political machine. It helps that he's an extremely charismatic, well-educated young guy spreading an idealist message.

Yeah, I was referring to Keyes, Jackson in '88 for a period, and recent well known black politicians like Ford in Tennessee. I neglected Chislom, and I can also think of Barbara Jordan who is regarded as a legendary public speaker.

Obama could certainly indicate a change, and the time may be right. Interesting that SC referenced Reagan, and I hadn't really thought about this until reading that and then hearing some talk on Charlie Rose, about how Obama represents redemption and hope for America in more ways than the other candidates, which is considered a major reason for Reagan winning in 1980.

To me this is a very interesting thing to keep in mind over time.

The naysayers from Time and Newsweek are in full bloom on Charlie Rose saying that his "feel good" campaign can't last, and when he has to address "the issues" he may fall. One gentlemen disagreed, by saying that Obama has not shown signs of weaknesses about addressing issues, and is a strong speaker, so it may be other factors that he will have to face to last all the way through.

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I got through the first 12 seconds of this smut. I'm not even gonna finish it. Yeah, real intelligent putting this up and real stupid for trying.

Dude, it's a joke. Smut? There's a joke on there about Chapelle not getting assassinated because he'd have a Mexican President, and that would close the borders. This was one of the most successful standups around and there is a reason Comedy Central plays it unedited over and over again. Don't like it or me for posting it? edited out. sorry.

I'm just going to write this here because I don't want to call attention to it and I'll deal with my lumps... I'm sorry for being nothing short of a jerk there. I thought it was something insightful on politics and race in America, because the joke is about the truth. As a black man running for President there are certain things individuals do have to worry about. When it got called smut, I took it as an attack on some of my core beliefs, which clearly was not the intent. I apologize for my overreaction. I was hoping to edit that out, actually. I guess that's why the say you shouldn't talk politics. Just know I am sincerely and genuinely sorry and I only hope I can continue to prove that isn't the type of person I usually am.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-03-2008 11:53 PM]

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-04-2008 12:11 AM]

OK, thanks for edit and understanding.

Thing with obama is he is not "politicing" us like other candidates. There are so man unneccisary terms that come out when it comes to goverment office. I understand them enough to know its bull****.

"Oh so your a liberal?" no muthafuka I'm me. Playing the game and using terms like this turn me off to political debates. Obama has been a breath of fresh air and it has nothing to do with the fact he is black or half black I should say. Nothing to do with the fact he was a cocaine user cuz I didn't know he did that till after I read his book......and I liked him before oprah endorsed him. Endorsements by celebs work for me just as much as sports stars endorsing sneaker companies....useless.

I just hope people let go politic bs and see this guy for who he is. I think the dude can unite this country again. America don't need politics as usual. They need leadership for the people not for the oil.

Its a shame that he has to run and possibly take over after Bush. I compare it to when Dinkins became mayor. People look back on the Dinkins administration as a joke, when it was Koch that totally screwed the city. Toward the end of his term his changes started to show and Gulliani took the credit. I pray this doesn't happen to him.

Mofos just need to vote. Democrats this year are making people care about the vote again. The real People need to stand up this year and take the country back.

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by bitty41:

America doesn't need another dynasty/power hungary family we need some change and someone that isn't going to maintain the status quo.

Now if only we could work out a Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket

That is the ticket I hope develops - Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama. I like both candidates and think that they will be good leaders for this country. I would prefer Obama as president. I think he will do a good job of restoring America's credibility in the world and I trust him to do what's best for all americans and not just the top 10% like the Bush regime.

You really think Obama would pick Edwards to be his running mate? I remember the 2004 election when Edwards basically stuck it out in the primaries to get the nod as the VP on the ticket and it looks like he is doing something similar here - but remember he was on a losing national ticket. Personally after his speech last night my opinion of Edwards has changed, I like him a lot more than I used to. But being on a losing ticket could hurt him...

It would be an interesting ticket though.