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Curry's 2007-2008 All-Star Status Is In Jeopardy
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Bonn1997
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1/3/2008  7:16 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:

Zaza isn't better than Curry
Who cares? What's your point? Is your point merely that there actually IS a center in this league worse than Eddy? What do you get out of making that point--there must be some motivation behind the point?

Someone said/implied Zaza was better than Curry. I'm pointing out that he's not.

But why were you pointing it out? Why do you care if there is one center in the league worse than Curry?

Hmmm...I think I'm going to leave it as a mystery.
OK but I'll speculate. Perhaps you're still a Curry apologist desperately searching for anything remotely positive to say about him? Or maybe not. It IS a mystery!
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1/3/2008  7:29 PM
What's not a mystery is the irony of you desperately looking for an agenda in someone else's post...
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1/3/2008  8:00 PM
Posted by VDesai:

What's not a mystery is the irony of you desperately looking for an agenda in someone else's post...
Your post is vague at best. Define agenda. How is it different from "point of view"? How do you know I saw the former and not the latter in your post?
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1/4/2008  9:22 AM
Zaza Pachulia is a better defender, rebounder and overall player than Eddy Curry. All that fat piece of turd has on Zaza is post scoring, which isn't that great either.
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1/4/2008  9:27 AM
Guys, relax. That's why our smoother operator GM only gave up 2 draft picks and not 5. He realized he was a project.

Aha, I'm dead inside.
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1/4/2008  9:40 AM
Posted by joel:

Guys, relax. That's why our smoother operator GM only gave up 2 draft picks and not 5. He realized he was a project.

Aha, I'm dead inside.

Actually he gave up four draft picks
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1/4/2008  9:44 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joel:

Guys, relax. That's why our smoother operator GM only gave up 2 draft picks and not 5. He realized he was a project.

Aha, I'm dead inside.

Actually he gave up four draft picks

Yup. Not bad for the 43rd best center (estimate) in the league, right?
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1/4/2008  9:49 AM
I'd take Joel Pryzbilla or Steven Hunter over Eddy Curry. Seriously.
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1/4/2008  9:50 AM
Posted by Klytus:

I'd take Joel Pryzbilla or Steven Hunter over Eddy Curry. Seriously.

I was trying to think off the top of my mind who I wouldn't take over Eddy. The first name that came to mind was Jerome James. Scary, isn't it?
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1/4/2008  9:52 AM
its a shame. i as well as others on this board thought last year curry was a good player that could be one of the best post scorers in the league. he seemed commited and confident that i thought would grow this year. however, this year he regressed big time. it is a shame because i thought he had potential. i am also upset at the fact that isiah, in his 4 year tenure, has not produced an all-star for this city. the closest is nate robinson and david lee with their dunk contest and rookie/sophomore game honors respectively. we won't have ANY representitives for ANYTHING this year. i used to love the all-star games back in the days with ewing dunking on other centers and spree and houston lighting it up with the comeback win in 2001. now it is like "meh" with people not taking it seriously especially last year. i don't know but is this the longest streak in new york history without an all star or playoff appearance?
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1/4/2008  9:52 AM
(I meant the 2006/7 #1 picks, sorry)

And GOOD LORD, yes, I DID forget that it was even MORE more than that.

Lord Eyebrows is Satan. This much I am sure of.

As for Curry, well, I'd bet if there was a competition in bobbing for chocolate covered turkeys, he'd win. So that's good.
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1/4/2008  10:02 AM
Posted by Klytus:

Who are the 53,084 idiots that voted for Jabba the hut?

i voted for him 53,000 times
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1/4/2008  10:02 AM
This implosion this season doesn't prove to me that Curry can't be a useful part of a team that wins games. I think Isiah screwed the pooch on this guy and now he's back to the player he was in his 1st season here.

Curry could've been given more of an ultimatum to lose weight and to focus on the rest of his game. A better off season regimen and a dietician hired by the team. Isiah could've made sure to develop a real plan of attack that woud lead to a better meshing of Zach into the team. He could've signed or traded for aother perimeter shooter instead of coming back with the same exact group again. Guys like Kapono, Carroll and House were out there. We needed to do something. To insure the bigs had guys who could feed the post and hit a shot. We should've cut James and used his spot to add a solid Point Guard.

The thing is that as GM Isiah has to prepare for all situations, including guys not having good seasons. ie. Q. If Isiah had taken a different approach with the offense I believe Curry and Zach would've been more successful. He should've started the offense based on pick and roll. He should've used more curl plays and overall guard motion to force defenses to be occupied in stopping them. Instead of this vanilla strict post offense. The reason is that we don't have the perimeter shooting to make that work. You can't stretch a defense without shooting, but since we have very quick guards making teams chase those guys would work better. It keeps teams from being able to easily double your post players.

In a system like that Curry would be more effective. He can catch anything, so having him roll after setting picks and then receive the pass is another option for him. It also would mask his inability to pass. There are options for using the same players we have and Isiah hasn't found them. So I don't think it's right to lay all of this on Curry and make fun of him not being as good as he should be this year.
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1/4/2008  10:08 AM
Posted by nixluva:

This implosion this season doesn't prove to me that Curry can't be a useful part of a team that wins games. I think Isiah screwed the pooch on this guy and now he's back to the player he was in his 1st season here.

Curry could've been given more of an ultimatum to lose weight and to focus on the rest of his game. A better off season regimen and a dietician hired by the team. Isiah could've made sure to develop a real plan of attack that woud lead to a better meshing of Zach into the team. He could've signed or traded for aother perimeter shooter instead of coming back with the same exact group again. Guys like Kapono, Carroll and House were out there. We needed to do something. To insure the bigs had guys who could feed the post and hit a shot. We should've cut James and used his spot to add a solid Point Guard.

The thing is that as GM Isiah has to prepare for all situations, including guys not having good seasons. ie. Q. If Isiah had taken a different approach with the offense I believe Curry and Zach would've been more successful. He should've started the offense based on pick and roll. He should've used more curl plays and overall guard motion to force defenses to be occupied in stopping them. Instead of this vanilla strict post offense. The reason is that we don't have the perimeter shooting to make that work. You can't stretch a defense without shooting, but since we have very quick guards making teams chase those guys would work better. It keeps teams from being able to easily double your post players.

In a system like that Curry would be more effective. He can catch anything, so having him roll after setting picks and then receive the pass is another option for him. It also would mask his inability to pass. There are options for using the same players we have and Isiah hasn't found them. So I don't think it's right to lay all of this on Curry and make fun of him not being as good as he should be this year.

Nix, that's all well and good, but many of us felt that he wasn't all that good last year. Zach has had an impact, no question. However, I think the impact is that both Eddy and Zach's flaws are more exposed. Last year, Curry's flaws were somewhat hidden by the fact that he was force fed the ball. This year he's not getting that at the same rate. The point is, though, he's just not a good player. Could he be useful on some teams? Of course. I don't think he's useful on this one.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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1/4/2008  10:09 AM
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by Klytus:

Who are the 53,084 idiots that voted for Jabba the hut?

i voted for him 53,000 times

DJ got your back with the other 84? NO wonder you guys can't be found in 404, you are home stuffing the ballet box.
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1/4/2008  10:22 AM
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1/4/2008  10:34 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nixluva:

This implosion this season doesn't prove to me that Curry can't be a useful part of a team that wins games. I think Isiah screwed the pooch on this guy and now he's back to the player he was in his 1st season here.

Curry could've been given more of an ultimatum to lose weight and to focus on the rest of his game. A better off season regimen and a dietician hired by the team. Isiah could've made sure to develop a real plan of attack that woud lead to a better meshing of Zach into the team. He could've signed or traded for aother perimeter shooter instead of coming back with the same exact group again. Guys like Kapono, Carroll and House were out there. We needed to do something. To insure the bigs had guys who could feed the post and hit a shot. We should've cut James and used his spot to add a solid Point Guard.

The thing is that as GM Isiah has to prepare for all situations, including guys not having good seasons. ie. Q. If Isiah had taken a different approach with the offense I believe Curry and Zach would've been more successful. He should've started the offense based on pick and roll. He should've used more curl plays and overall guard motion to force defenses to be occupied in stopping them. Instead of this vanilla strict post offense. The reason is that we don't have the perimeter shooting to make that work. You can't stretch a defense without shooting, but since we have very quick guards making teams chase those guys would work better. It keeps teams from being able to easily double your post players.

In a system like that Curry would be more effective. He can catch anything, so having him roll after setting picks and then receive the pass is another option for him. It also would mask his inability to pass. There are options for using the same players we have and Isiah hasn't found them. So I don't think it's right to lay all of this on Curry and make fun of him not being as good as he should be this year.

Nix, that's all well and good, but many of us felt that he wasn't all that good last year. Zach has had an impact, no question. However, I think the impact is that both Eddy and Zach's flaws are more exposed. Last year, Curry's flaws were somewhat hidden by the fact that he was force fed the ball. This year he's not getting that at the same rate. The point is, though, he's just not a good player. Could he be useful on some teams? Of course. I don't think he's useful on this one.

Yeah the guy has many flaws to his game that have been exposed with Zach here, however I think it wasn't unrealistic to expect 18/7/1blk/1.5 asts, if Isiah had been more active in Curry's offseason prep and if he had added the Guards we needed to make it all work a bit better. The whole Zach thing was strange too. He never got control of it. He should've seen the ball sharing problem in his mind before the trade and at the least in practice sessions. I'm sure Q wasn't hitting shots in practice either, so he shouldn't have gone this long without moving the guy out of the lineup. He should've anticipated the continued decline of Steph too. For this reason he needed to have insurance at the guad spot and this meant cutting James and perhaps even Malik or Morris. We needed more options.
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1/4/2008  10:42 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Yeah the guy has many flaws to his game that have been exposed with Zach here, however I think it wasn't unrealistic to expect 18/7/1blk/1.5 asts, if Isiah had been more active in Curry's offseason prep and if he had added the Guards we needed to make it all work a bit better. The whole Zach thing was strange too. He never got control of it. He should've seen the ball sharing problem in his mind before the trade and at the least in practice sessions. I'm sure Q wasn't hitting shots in practice either, so he shouldn't have gone this long without moving the guy out of the lineup. He should've anticipated the continued decline of Steph too. For this reason he needed to have insurance at the guad spot and this meant cutting James and perhaps even Malik or Morris. We needed more options.

Oh absolutely. It's kind of funny that Isiah the GM and Isiah the coach have made so many mistakes, in fact making mistakes that make the job of the other even harder each time. I think a lot of us acknowledged the ball sharing problem and questioned the logic of bringing in another guy who needs to dominate the ball to be effective. As for Q and Steph... it's hard to come up with any logical defense. I would say perhaps he was counting on Mardy Collins and Balkman more, but then he hasn't played those guys enough, so it's hard to justify it with that angle either.

Isiah is a mystery. If there was someone competent in there, I'd just assume they were tanking. With Isiah, I have no idea.
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1/4/2008  11:03 AM
Yeah, Isiah has proven over and over again how incompetent he is. He and Dolan fired Brown for basically the same horrible season (somehow this one seems a lot worse) but for some reason we are suppose to believe that there is a ligth at the end of this horrible tunnel. How Dolan buys that is beyond me. He brought in these KNOWN losers but can understand why their not playing well?
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