Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

If you have Tim Duncan, you can execute a plan like this. If you're searching for an anchor to your floundering franchise, you're going to want to keep throwing high ceiling guys at a wall until one sticks.

yea, but that is a flawed plan, and the reason why the knicks are in this mess now.. If you don't have a duncan, then keep the plan simple and clean. Short cheap contracts, high character players, draft picks and cap flexibility, do that until you find that "duncan" for sure... Don't blow your load on a maybe, or a huge Question mark or a project(like curry).

Well said.

Indeed. What tkf said is essentially what the Blazers did and how they got Brandon Roy... someone who will be an absolute force if he stays healthy.

There's no way they should be as good as they are without Greg Oden, but they are. They have no bad contracts except for the bad apple known as Miles and have a bunch of solid players via the draft. Like the article pointed out, Jason Kapono credited the Raptors chemistry for the win. These three factors created an environment where the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. Despite all that, there really is one way for the Blazers to go, and that is up in the standings.

I don't know if you remember a couple of seasons ago, we played the blazers and beat them, I did my now famous "keys" to the game.. LOL.. and I basically trashed both zach and miles and I said, the blazers will never get better until they get rid of both players. Do you remember how those silly blazers fans came over there crying, and whining, saying, how can I bash their team and Z-bo that way? LOL.. Now those same fans are telling me how great they are, now that zach(traded) and miles(exiled) are now gone...

the only thing I never saw comming, was them dumping zach on us... wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, I remember that... coupled with Blazers fans saying there was no way ZBo would ever get traded to the Knicks (because we didn't have the pieces), then later trying to justify the move from a talent perspective (like Frye now was an elite prospect), to now claiming that they knew trading ZBo was addition by subtraction clearly, that was what the other two points inferred) has me thinking Blazers fans are the dumbest base in professional sports. The keys was the beginning of them demonstrating their complete ineptitude.

LOL.. Yea, I find that funny. I also find it funny now that the blazers winning, frye is now critical to their success.. lol.. those idiots don't realize that just getting rid of zach made them better.. frye really is just a throw in piece that happened to not hurt the team or destroy any chemistry. Frye is a decent player for them, but he being there is not going to make them one game better or worse.. it was all about getting rid of zach.....

Posted by tkf:


LOL.. Yea, I find that funny. I also find it funny now that the blazers winning, frye is now critical to their success.. lol.. those idiots don't realize that just getting rid of zach made them better.. frye really is just a throw in piece that happened to not hurt the team or destroy any chemistry. Frye is a decent player for them, but he being there is not going to make them one game better or worse.. it was all about getting rid of zach.....

Wait hold on, all summer you were smacking your flippers together waiting for Isiah and Dolan to lob you another fish. Now all of a sudden you're claiming bad fish? Hmmm I don't get it.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by tkf:


LOL.. Yea, I find that funny. I also find it funny now that the blazers winning, frye is now critical to their success.. lol.. those idiots don't realize that just getting rid of zach made them better.. frye really is just a throw in piece that happened to not hurt the team or destroy any chemistry. Frye is a decent player for them, but he being there is not going to make them one game better or worse.. it was all about getting rid of zach.....

Wait hold on, all summer you were smacking your flippers together waiting for Isiah and Dolan to lob you another fish. Now all of a sudden you're claiming bad fish? Hmmm I don't get it.

He's about 98% converted major

Gimme a break. He was 97.9% converted last year too. Still didn't stop him from snacking on Isiah and Dolan's stale rotting fish all summer long. Trust me, if Isiah tosses up Ron Artest snacks, TKF will be at the head of the pool with mouth open swooshing his little fishy body around. Trust me.

Posted by majorleads:

Gimme a break. He was 97.9% converted last year too. Still didn't stop him from snacking on Isiah and Dolan's stale rotting fish all summer long. Trust me, if Isiah tosses up Ron Artest snacks, TKF will be at the head of the pool with mouth open swooshing his little fishy body around. Trust me.

Is that true, he was diggin the trade this summer?

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by tkf:


LOL.. Yea, I find that funny. I also find it funny now that the blazers winning, frye is now critical to their success.. lol.. those idiots don't realize that just getting rid of zach made them better.. frye really is just a throw in piece that happened to not hurt the team or destroy any chemistry. Frye is a decent player for them, but he being there is not going to make them one game better or worse.. it was all about getting rid of zach.....

Wait hold on, all summer you were smacking your flippers together waiting for Isiah and Dolan to lob you another fish. Now all of a sudden you're claiming bad fish? Hmmm I don't get it.

Hang on, I don't know what he said this summer, but I can vouch for tkf hating zach from almost 2 years ago:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=504189&highlight=

Posted by majorleads:

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: Zach Randolph OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
Isiah do your thing and go get him!!! He fits in perfectly with the share the ball roster defensive minded squad you created. Just make sure Marbury, Curry and James are still here because we want the maximum of amount of team players as possible. Also keep Larry Brown because we all know your dream is too actually kill a coach. And while you're at it, see if Portland wants to part with that nice hardworking young fella named Darius Miles whose been nothing but a bundle of joy wherever he's been.

Zach Randolph

Posted by tkf:

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:51 pm
portland fans went nuts when I basically trashed miles and zach earlier this year, and then we had these self hating knick fans who think everyother teams player is great and all we amount to are homers who can't see the greatness in guys like zach randolph and miles, jumping on their side... LOL.. I saw this crap comming. what a bum...

Posted by tkf:

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:53 pm
if we bring in either of those clowns, I will in my 25+ years of being a knicks fan, not willingly root for this team...

Ahhh but you're missing the key ingredient here. TKF is a flipflopper. He flips then he flops, flops then flips. Flippity flops. I remember exactly when he said those words about Zach. Thats when we stunk and he was angry. But TKF is a stubborn little fish. When it's feeding time, a smiling Isiah comes over to the ledge, in one hand you have Stevie Frankenstein, and in the other hand, you have Zach Randolph. Now the fish aren't stupid, they know both don't taste very good. But one thing all the little fishies know and that is, Stevie Frankenstein is not edible at all. So in order to satisfy their hunger, anything Isiah lobs up in the air, is preferable to the stinking **** that was served before. And there was TKF, smacking his little flippers in appreciation all summer long.

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Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by tkf:


LOL.. Yea, I find that funny. I also find it funny now that the blazers winning, frye is now critical to their success.. lol.. those idiots don't realize that just getting rid of zach made them better.. frye really is just a throw in piece that happened to not hurt the team or destroy any chemistry. Frye is a decent player for them, but he being there is not going to make them one game better or worse.. it was all about getting rid of zach.....

Wait hold on, all summer you were smacking your flippers together waiting for Isiah and Dolan to lob you another fish. Now all of a sudden you're claiming bad fish? Hmmm I don't get it.

Hang on, I don't know what he said this summer, but I can vouch for tkf hating zach from almost 2 years ago:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=504189&highlight=

Posted by majorleads:

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: Zach Randolph OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
Isiah do your thing and go get him!!! He fits in perfectly with the share the ball roster defensive minded squad you created. Just make sure Marbury, Curry and James are still here because we want the maximum of amount of team players as possible. Also keep Larry Brown because we all know your dream is too actually kill a coach. And while you're at it, see if Portland wants to part with that nice hardworking young fella named Darius Miles whose been nothing but a bundle of joy wherever he's been.

Zach Randolph

Posted by tkf:

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:51 pm
portland fans went nuts when I basically trashed miles and zach earlier this year, and then we had these self hating knick fans who think everyother teams player is great and all we amount to are homers who can't see the greatness in guys like zach randolph and miles, jumping on their side... LOL.. I saw this crap comming. what a bum...

Posted by tkf:

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:53 pm
if we bring in either of those clowns, I will in my 25+ years of being a knicks fan, not willingly root for this team...

Ahhh but you're missing the key ingredient here. TKF is a flipflopper. He flips then he flops, flops then flips. Flippity flops. I remember exactly when he said those words about Zach. Thats when we stunk and he was angry. But TKF is a stubborn little fish. When it's feeding time, a smiling Isiah comes over to the ledge, in one hand you have Stevie Frankenstein, and in the other hand, you have Zach Randolph. Now the fish aren't stupid, they know both don't taste very good. But one thing all the little fishies know and that is, Stevie Frankenstein is not edible at all. So in order to satisfy their hunger, anything Isiah lobs up in the air, is preferable to the stinking **** that was served before. And there was TKF, smacking his little flippers in appreciation all summer long.

Everything Was Funny


It takes balls and courage to do what we do on a daily basis and for as long we do. There are some definite barriers still. Cut from a different cloth so-to-speak.


Take for instance I don't know if TKF or other fans on this forum would fit in this boat but take for instance we win 4gms in a row...... there would exist a crowd not scouting draft prospects anymore or looking at our lottery position, instead they'd be looking at the NBA standings wondering if we can solidify ourselves as a 10th seed by All-Star break and make a push for the 8th seed/playoffs second half of the season.


Meanwhile the crowd we fit into, feels such a scenario would be the worst thing that could happen.

Trust me, I Know TKF's deal, just like Blue Seats knows Papabears deal. I was yelling at TKF this past summer for being a bad fan and a flip flopper. He does the same **** every year, nothing new. He yapped back at me. If we go on a 4 game winning streak, TKF will be back at the head of the line. He knows it, and won't deny it. This summer just like last summer, I told him exactly how this season would play out. But this time I said you better not flip flop back onto the side of being angry at the Knicks cause now is when you should be angry at Isiah. He just brought in Zach for Christs sakes and is pairing him with Stiffbury, Crawful and Curry. But no, there was TKF, the stubborn little fish that he is happily swimming up to the ledge waiting for snacks telling me to piss off once again. TKF is a bad fan. He understands. He's just stubborn.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by tkf:


LOL.. Yea, I find that funny. I also find it funny now that the blazers winning, frye is now critical to their success.. lol.. those idiots don't realize that just getting rid of zach made them better.. frye really is just a throw in piece that happened to not hurt the team or destroy any chemistry. Frye is a decent player for them, but he being there is not going to make them one game better or worse.. it was all about getting rid of zach.....

Wait hold on, all summer you were smacking your flippers together waiting for Isiah and Dolan to lob you another fish. Now all of a sudden you're claiming bad fish? Hmmm I don't get it.

Hang on, I don't know what he said this summer, but I can vouch for tkf hating zach from almost 2 years ago:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=504189&highlight=

Posted by majorleads:

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: Zach Randolph OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
Isiah do your thing and go get him!!! He fits in perfectly with the share the ball roster defensive minded squad you created. Just make sure Marbury, Curry and James are still here because we want the maximum of amount of team players as possible. Also keep Larry Brown because we all know your dream is too actually kill a coach. And while you're at it, see if Portland wants to part with that nice hardworking young fella named Darius Miles whose been nothing but a bundle of joy wherever he's been.

Zach Randolph

Posted by tkf:

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:51 pm
portland fans went nuts when I basically trashed miles and zach earlier this year, and then we had these self hating knick fans who think everyother teams player is great and all we amount to are homers who can't see the greatness in guys like zach randolph and miles, jumping on their side... LOL.. I saw this crap comming. what a bum...

Posted by tkf:

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:53 pm
if we bring in either of those clowns, I will in my 25+ years of being a knicks fan, not willingly root for this team...

thanks blue, I am glad you found that. Guys like majorleads get selective memory, but anyway, I will admit, that when we traded frye for zach as much as I hated that guy, I had gotten so down on frye, that I tried to justify the trade in my mind at least, that we got the more talented player, but that is what most of us are reduced to. I mean what in the hell do you do, when you have no control and your GM keeps getting players you hate, and know don't belong here? I knew deep down inside that this trade was going to be a mess, I hoped for the best as a fan, but deep down, I got the chills.. I never liked zach, I even got into it with blazers fan and the blazers mod, when I trashed both zach and miles, and strange to say, when miles was with the clippers I was a fan of his, but as time moves on with some of these guys, you just see that they are a poison pill to any team they join.. I saw zach and miles for what they were when they got to portland... And for some reason, I have a odd feeling that miles will one day end up in a knicks uni.. at which time everything will come into focus for all of us, and realize that Isiah was out to destroy the knicks from the start.. LOL!!

Posted by majorleads:

HA HA HA HA

TKF come on be real for once. I know it's hard for you to do, but think, think long and hard about the conversation we had this summer. Think TKF, THINK. And when you're recalling that conversation, recall the many other conversations we've had all through the years. I never disappeared once, you know that to be true. You also know that I laid out in perfect order during this past summer how this season would go and what your response would be. Now, if you want to continue playing the flip flop game, FINE, but you and I both know you will be back on the Dolan express once the season ends. You know it, and I know it.

So you can continue to say I'm this or I'm that, I run, I hide, whatever, I think everyone is crystal clear on what my position is and has been on the Knicks since the day Stephon Marbury became a Knick. I might not be right all the time, but one thing I have been is consistent during the season and in the summer...when it's most important to hold this team accountable.

Posted by Cousinjoey:

I am fairly new to this forum, so I couldn't fairly explain/justify anyone's point of view on this thread. My simplistic watered down opinion is that some people are glass half full people. And some people are glass half empty people. The glass half full people will always try to find a silver lining in things, no matter how bleak the situation. And being as how the Knicks have most of us on our last nerve, some might have a harder time trying to find that silver lining. Thanks Isiah!

Me personally, I am a glass half empty guy, I always have been, but everyone is entitled to there opinions. That's just my two cents anyway...