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NYKBocker
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6/20/2003  12:33 PM
Posted by rain:

If we trade up for Ford, it'll be at #7, and the cost won't be that great. And did I miss something? Do we have a world beater at point? Ford, Hinrich,or Pietrus at that spot would represent the best value... pure player... Vujanic is no guarantee to come over. If we trade Vujanic, a player, #9, #31 to move up to #4 to take Bosh... I wouldn't be terribly upset. Just because you have lots of crap at the point, and Williams is a complete unkown at this point, doesn't mean you don't draft a player. That said, I would stay-put if Ford is the target.

A glaring need in the front line takes out the need for a PG. While the PGs we have are not world beaters we would be better served to pick up a C or PF that is 6'10" or taller.
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rain
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6/20/2003  12:34 PM
Better and more shake to his game than Knight. He does scare me a little bit at 5'10. He is a true point guard.. they are hard to find.
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6/20/2003  12:50 PM
Posted by rain:

Better and more shake to his game than Knight. He does scare me a little bit at 5'10. He is a true point guard.. they are hard to find.

He ain't no tim hardaway.
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6/20/2003  12:58 PM
No shot... and I'm not convinced he'll be able to penetrate in the NBA. Slightly better than Martin Cleeves was at Michigan State.
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6/20/2003  1:31 PM
Pike you got to be kidding (only slightly better than Mateen Cleaves)? Ford would be a juinor this fall so give him 3 yrs and he won't be contained with all that speed. He can work on his jumper.
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6/20/2003  2:13 PM
pike i see that we agree that tj ford is nothing special. i don't see what it is that have people drolling over him. a faster & shorter version of chris childs?

and rain i'm all for the knicks taking the best player avaliable if that is what it comes down to but tj ford is a wasted lottery pick.


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6/20/2003  2:15 PM
Posted by rain:

Better and more shake to his game than Knight. He does scare me a little bit at 5'10. He is a true point guard.. they are hard to find.
so is a true general manager
all those years as a fan and now i'm the anti-knick. life is crazy aint it.
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6/20/2003  3:09 PM
Prodson... that was funny.
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6/20/2003  3:43 PM
Alright, the Martin Cleeves comparison might have been taken the wrong way... what I meant by that is yet another player who starred in college that doesn't have the goods to make it in the pros... Ford is obviously quicker than Cleeves though but, I don't see him being a great penetrator... and if he's not that... with a suspect shot and diminutive size... I don't get it.

He cost the Longhorns big in the NCAA tourney by NOT effectively penetrating. Call me crazy but, I like Holis Price (Oklahoma) better than TJ Ford.



[Edited by - Pike on 06/20/2003 15:45:34]
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6/20/2003  4:02 PM
playa i dont believe these fools.actin like its the end of the world with the knicks.ok management made mistakes,who doesnt.the way to fix it,is to keep tryin.which they did and got Dice.things arent going to happen in a blink of an eye.this up comin draft the knicks will add another player either rookie or vet.knicks selectin ford means a pg is most deffenitely on the move or if not selected its a screen.i believe this team will look better than last yrs.i do admit the team was lookin bad and not to the extent you guys are making it seem,i seen worst teams out there for longer period of times.there is light in the tunnel but not at the end yet for the knicks.so for all the stupid so called tru knick fans stop doubting your team.
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6/20/2003  4:06 PM
In my book you're stupid for not doubting your team.
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6/20/2003  4:14 PM
we are not trading for t j ford. it's not a terrible choice because he does have another motor and passing skills that few poccess. but this guy is under intense scrutniy to win now. drafting tj ford is a building process. imho the antoine walker deal is going to come to life.

lets think for a second if the knicks were truly building for the future the best move wouldve been giving pavel a promise at 7-4 310 and working with him for a year or 2.EVEN if he never played it wouldve been worth the risk.

so that being said does antoine walker give the knicks more chance of winning now--probably yes i dont think boston wants to pay the maximum extension walker wants 6 years and 102mm andi dont blame them--the knicks on the other hand are one of very few teasm who might be willing tooverpay this dude because dice might never be back and they have that salary slot open in to years.

If im boston and i get rid of this dude for future cap flexibility a good player and 2 solid 1 picks i would do it in a heartbeat. boston has cycled out.
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NYK8
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6/20/2003  4:18 PM
pikethis will be u at the start of the season.and u just spoiled and stupid to realize things will change.
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6/20/2003  4:26 PM
Posted by NYK8:

ok management made mistakes,who doesnt.the way to fix it,is to keep tryin.

Layden hasn't made a good move since he's gotten here... Houston's due to make 20.7M in the year 2007... Anderson and Eisley are signed through 2006/07 consecutively... we don't have one decent young player... we have a center with cement weights around his legs... three dreadful point guards... and a crappy bench... and I'm stupid? HAHAHAHA...

NYK8
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6/20/2003  4:39 PM
houston and colman had some what the same contract and colman was traded.in a package trade we could get ride of a pg.JVG loves houston and would fit in a houstons roster very well with ming
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6/20/2003  4:45 PM
From your lips to Gods ears... getting rid of Houston would be one of the best things this franchise could do... that more than anything else would help us plow our way out of CAP hell... I still don't think anyone is going take Houston. Houston's getting paid like he's the best player in the league when you consider the back ended nature of his contract.

The only way we could get rid of him would be to accept another overpaid guy... like Juwan Howard when he had a lot of years on his ridiculous contract... that's not going to help us either. Whether you like him or not, we're stuck with Allan Houston.
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6/20/2003  5:13 PM
Like it or not, this is Houston's team. Scotty's driving up the value of Ford in order to get someone else to drop down, I imagine. Like Shallow Hal getting attention from his hot neighbor chick after he was spotted with overweight Paltrow. (okay, bad analogy)...

But don't be surprized if he drafts Ford, and then trades him and Spree in a package for Marbury or something...
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6/20/2003  5:23 PM
WOW
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NYK8
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6/20/2003  5:32 PM
interesting then trade ward,thomas for Dampier and then #9 Collison in case Dice gets hurt and sign odoms with the 4.5m cap.
Dampier-Doleac
Dice-Collison
Odoms-Weatherspoon
Houston-Anderson
Marbury-Eisley

im seeing big changes next season.alot of rumors and its time for a change.
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6/20/2003  5:54 PM
Did you know Dampier makes 10M per? Still want him?
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