With the larry season it was feb before all was lost that the team quit on him.

At least until Marbury got hurt that year the teams excuse was there was lots of new faces, rookies, and a coach that was trying to break them down and build them back up.

He broke them down which looks dispicable when in hindsight you consider they just did not care to pull themselves up.

BUt at least one could meausre Eddy getting in shape an when he got the ball with movement he was unstoppable. ONe could see Craw make progress on defense, Dlee emerge before our eyes, etc.

This group NEVER had a chance this season. They were dead out of the gate and it just decomposes as the season continues. The stench is getting worse.

It ain't even January!!!!!!!!

before the season, i got into a discussion with a poster about how this organization and the hawks are very similar in their ineptitude.

the hawks are now 15-12, a record we haven't seen in 3 years.

so i would like to officially apologize to the hawks for comparing that team to this abomination.

Owner needs to MAN UP and finally realize he needs to hire a crafty, shrewd guy who will be held responsible and have full control of the Knicks b-ball operations.

Whoever has the full control of this b-ball team will hire a crafty, smart G.M who can really turn this around within 2 to 3 yrs.

That G.M will hire a good coach that can fit the system they're trying to implement.

Ex. For six yrs now, Rod Thorn has been President of b-ball ops with the Nets and he was able to bring in some good basketball people that knew how to build a contender.

Posted by Killa4luv:

The knicks rarely bring me joy anymore. When they win, I'm happy, but its a fleeting, unfulfilling kind of happiness. I now know what its like to love someone addicted to drugs. Even on their good days, you cant trust them, because youve been burnt too many times. I felt this way once before during the LB season. This time, I have really lost alot of love for this team. Isiah, Dolan, Marbury, Quentin, Curry, I need them out of my life. Like yesterday. THe other players arent perfect, but those guys, theyve gotta go.

Dolan is the living embodiment of the argument against nepotism. What a spectacular failure the knicks are. Dolan, you decide not to settle out of court to spare your organization the bad publicity, thinking youd save yourself some money. What did you get? Emberassment, you lost the case, and you still costed yourself a ridiculous amount of money. It doesn't make her right, it just makes you really really stupid.

I hate the knicks. I hate them for making me hate them. They may win me back, when my kids are college aged, but it will never be the same. I have joined the dark side.

I'd kill myself if I had season tickets.

sorry to hear you feel this way. it DOES suck b/c at the end of the day, you WANT to route for the team you grew up liking and still follow as an adult. it will get better one day, no worries there, but right now, these clowns are making an embarrassment of our city and it's basketball tradition. and, ps: don't go trying to kill yourself over this...a better idea would be that we all go and eggbomb isiah's house in westchester. that would be more fun

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Bippity10:

I disagree. Once a team quits for an entire season, it is very difficult to recover.

I TRIED TO WARN YOU!

Bip, you were warning people when the team weren't out of the gates yet...The core hadn't been assemblem yet...Isiah had run the old guard out of town only a few months and you were in the nay camp already...You hadn't given the team a chance to see if they can play together and now you are saying people who were hammering them out the gates needs an aoplogy??...Some folks here like to give everyone a fair chance before we form an opinion...

Do you even recall what I was saying back then, or are you just guessing? Judging by this response you were just guessing.

Here is the timeline to refresh your memory:

1.) I was sick of Layden's team and Isiah was hired. I was wide open to giving Isiah a chance.
2.) Isiah starts assembling the TT's and Marbs of the world. I expressed confusion but was still in Isiah's corner. Just didn't have an idea what his plan was. But rarely criticized him
3.) LB is hired. The board shoots it's collective load calling us Phoenix east. A large portion of the board was convinced we were about to see an instant turnaround. I was still in Isiah's corner and warned the board over and over again to not get to excited. That this core was not strong enough to win and that we need to curb our enthusiasm. I was called many names for this. I TRIED TO WARN YOU
4.) Team quits on LB. At this point I knew that it was time to get rid of the core. You can't build on top of a team that quits. I knew it would happen again. I TRIED TO WARN YOU
5.) LB is fired after one year. I realized that Isiah did not have a plan and it was probably time to replace him.
6.) I don't think those that hammered them out of the gates deserve an apology for anything but for the names they were called because they saw what you are seeing today years in advance. You are only upset now because it is obvious to you what is wrong. Waht you don't understand it was obvious to many long before this moment. While you were giving it a chance, many knew where we were headed.

Posted by holfresh:


You were pounding them when LB was hammering them...Curry hadn't even gotten a chance to play yet before LB was pulling his stunts and you were right on board...LB quit on this team long before the team quit on him...In your eyes LB could do no wrong when he could be fully responsible for showing these guys how to quit...Showing Marbs how to exploit a personal tradegy for personal gain..Remember LB staying away from the team a few extra games after he became "ill"...

The premise of trying to warn people before this team even had a chance to play together is a little puzzling...Curry was hurt at the beginning of the season, Marbs was hurt at the end..Thats two pretty important parts of the core who had not really got a chance to play or gel together before all the people in the "know" had an opinion about the direction of this team...Amazing...

I warned everyone 2 years ago just look at my screen name. This was a sinking ship.

Posted by holfresh:


You were pounding them when LB was hammering them...Curry hadn't even gotten a chance to play yet before LB was pulling his stunts and you were right on board...LB quit on this team long before the team quit on him...In your eyes LB could do no wrong when he could be fully responsible for showing these guys how to quit...Showing Marbs how to exploit a personal tradegy for personal gain..Remember LB staying away from the team a few extra games after he became "ill"...

The premise of trying to warn people before this team even had a chance to play together is a little puzzling...Curry was hurt at the beginning of the season, Marbs was hurt at the end..Thats two pretty important parts of the core who had not really got a chance to play or gel together before all the people in the "know" had an opinion about the direction of this team...Amazing...

This is what you don't get. The nobility of giving a team a chance is unimportant. Take your personal feelings of LB, and Stephon and anyone else and you could see this coming. Those that called me a "Larry Lover" continue to think that I give a rats asse about LB. YOu guys are so emotionally involved with who the players are and who the coach is that you sometimes forget that you are KNICKS FANS.

I did not say one thing bad about this team until they quit during the LB season. As a matter of fact I was the guy that ran from post to post telling you guys to calm down, that LB was not magical and would not create a winner overnight. I was the one telling you guys to give this team time to grow. It wasn't until I saw them quitting that my tune changed. I didn't need to give them more time. That was your mistake. At that point I knew it was time to break up the core. It had nothing to do with my personal feelings about the players. Quitting gets into your blood and it doesn't go away. It was time to get a portion of our core(Curry, Marbs, Jamal, Q, Antonio) away from the young guys so that they do not infest them. It was time to bring in some proven winners to change the culture and teach those that remained. Some of us saw the culture issues then, Not today when you are seeing it. There are always reasons to quit, none of them are good. The team actually had good reason to hate LB. LB didn't want to coach them, so I can completely understand them hating him. YOu and I are in 100% agreement on this no matter how you try to twist my thoughts. The problem is that you don't play for the coach. YOu play for yourself, your family, your teammates and your city. If the entire team needs the coach to be motivated to win games than unfortunately you have to break it up. Or it will creep up again. It doesn't matter how you and I feel about the individual players, the coach and GM. It doesn't matter if I am willing to give them a chance or not. It has nothing to do with whether you want to "give them a chance" or not. It doesn't matter if LB was right or wrong. This is irrelevant. What matters is that I have seen this enough times to know that once a team finds reasons to quit, they will do it again. You have seen this too. You understand this too. You just put your feelings for the players ahead of the truth. I TRIED TO WARN YOU!!!

This was inevitable. I said it then and was called a hater for it. You are just seeing the manifestation of what I knew to be true. Once a team quits, the core will quit again. How a GM did not see the need to bring in new leaders to teach the young guys is beyond me.

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[Edited by - bippity10 on 28-12-2007 11:27 AM]