Posted by JaydeeNYC:

Posted by TrueBlue:


There are a large portion of fans who would do a Kwame deal involving either of those two. The gleanings from such trade would be hope towards a plan.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-26-2007 10:53 AM]

I hear you playa, but who are the fans? What would be the plan? I highly doubt that Zach's money is the major reason for our salary cap woes... the pick would likely result in another marginal talent player. How would this result in effective planning.

I think you keep Zach.. say what you want the kid is a stud, he is a ballhog but he fills up the buckets and is a force. You don't give up players like this... I think Portland was silly for making this move as well. They are winning right now, but that is due to a soft schedule and a good x's and o's coach, did I also mention that there young guns are now stepping up

[Edited by - JaydeeNYC on 12-26-2007 12:09 PM]

say what you want the kid is a stud, he is a ballhog

Posted by TrueBlue:

I wouldn't really know how to rank them at this point. I may have to put Curry last.


Take for instance....

If Randolph and Curry are worth Kwame, possibly a 2nd round pick and only one could fetch the deal, then where does this leave the remaining player?

Could Jamal fetch the same deal?

Some said a couple weeks back Marbury could fetch us Darius Miles & Joel Pyrzbilla from Portland. Is that better or worse than the above?

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I wouldn't really know how to rank them at this point. I may have to put Curry last.


Take for instance....

If Randolph and Curry are worth Kwame, possibly a 2nd round pick and only one could fetch the deal, then where does this leave the remaining player?

Could Jamal fetch the same deal?

Some said a couple weeks back Marbury could fetch us Darius Miles & Joel Pyrzbilla from Portland. Is that better or worse than the above?

I think Curry still has the most value but they must rebuild the value. What you are proposing is selling at a low--netting us nothing which no serious manager would consider since we cant get under the salary cap. The best thing we can do right now is see some new guys play--i.e chandler balkman Collins and get Curry into shape[even if that means IR] and rebuild his value. In terms of trading we are MUCH worse off than when IT took over--right now we need patience and to bring in someone who can slowly change things around--or atleast alter them to get a squad on the floor that can play consistently well. As far as winning everything---I think we are in the bottom 3 teams looking at 10 years--a complete team turnover plus the time it takes to build back up. The best bet is a short term fix to become respectable --we have lost any chance to become a contender for possibly 5 years to a decade

Posted by bitty41:

We worry about that later we want Zach's albatross deal gone. Our draft position should land us a big or you could package that pick with a remaining player if say we're out of the top 5. Like lotto pick 8, Balk, Malik, Morris for Camby, Kleiza, & future first Besides we still have David Lee.

Wait your actually saying worry about it later isn't that the same kind of mentality that has destroyed this franchise?

[Edited by - bitty41 on 12-26-2007 12:35 PM]

Posted by JaydeeNYC:

Posted by TrueBlue:


Please do me a favor, go back and look at their 11gm winning streak. They beat several decent teams, a few on back-to-backs. If giving up a guy like that is a mistake, they should be suffering we should be prospering. They can improve on top of what they are doing down the road because they have cap flexibility.

My boy! I've watched all those games on League pass.. right, true some teams were decent on paper but there records proved otherwise.Who did they beat that was playing 500 bal besides Utah? They played teams with key injury (CP3), They beat Denver (that's a good paper champ), Barnani was hurt in T-dot, and some of those teams were playing on back to backs as well, I'm sure. I give em props, they are balling.. but if you think that's just because they traded away Zach Randolph... No disrespect, but you are mistaken. Teams get hot at different points in the season, this is a nice run they are on... but they will not be factors in a playoff race.

As far as comparing us with them... the progress is not measured by one player... It's obvious they have a better coach, and a better team. Btw, Portland is still over the cap my dude. The difference is they have improved through the draft lottery, where we have yet to do so. Since 2005 they've had the #5, (2006)#2 and 6 and last year #1 pick in the draft. They should be decent with those picks.

So how do we measure Zach's worth? And you must not have been watching very closely because the Blazers were missing Aldidge 6gms out of the 11gm win streak. Snickerdoodle started for him in all of those games except 1. Bargnani has practically been a bust all yr and Toronto had reeled off a few wins before playing them.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-26-2007 12:00 PM]

Posted by bitty41:

I'm saying you worry about filling holes later first things first is to get a firm grip on our cap situation, while bottoming out

But come on where's your master plan? Surely you could compile a simple list of active centers and powerforwards that should replace Zach and Curry?

Also your philosphy looks suspiciously similar Isiah's only your doing it to dismantle any and all talent left on the roster.

Isiah should be fired but I definetly don't want the next GM to use this method either.