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tkf
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12/24/2007  2:00 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

also, the word on skiles is that he's great for a young team learning the league and getting their feet under them. but when it's time to go to the next level, he's not the guy.

sounds like the making of a great college coach...
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12/24/2007  2:01 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Wow, 49 wins gets him zero cachet, yet Isiah is immortal with his 33, 23, 33.

Go figure.... It is no accident that we are in the toilet...
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12/24/2007  2:04 PM
Very depressing.
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12/24/2007  2:10 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

I'd like Skiles to replace Isiah. I like him as a coach, and dont know what happened this season, though he had those guys playing super tough last year.

like nalod said, skiles has a shelf life. it happened in pheonix before.

i think the way they look at it is that they have the talent to win 45+ games (which they've done), they have the talent to advance in the playoffs (which they've done), so they felt instead of making major changes to the roster, it just needed a new voice.

btw, i'm sure jamal and eddy would love to have skiles back here...

and papabear, the kobe thing may have messed with them BUT gordon and deng turned down big money contracts b/c they wanted more. that's on them. and that's pressure they put on themselves to perform in a contract year.


Yep Deng and Gordon definitely didn't help matters how they handled their off-season. Matter of fact they used the Kobe situation just like Iguodola used the Iverson situation in Philly. Iggy felt with them trading Iverson and trying to build around him, then he's worth closer to Max money, which he's wrong and Deng & Gordon reasoned their names are in the mix for Kobe and feel they're worth closer to max money, which they're wrong. It's interesting how Kevin Martin who's in their tier got his extension done in the off-season and before he got hurt was having a stellar/All-Star caliber yr.

IMO along with immediate adjustments they need to trade Kirk Hinrich, he's not all that good. He doesn't shoot well, he doesn't assist well, his defense is overrated and has regressed his game since coming into the league as a Lottery Pick. Turn the keys over to Chris Duhon who can run the team on the cheap and package Hinrich with another player to fill some deficiencies.
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12/24/2007  2:11 PM
Posted by Nalod:

skiles here would not work.

Funny how bulls and knicks have turned down.

Bulls found Gordan is crawford. Dumb streaky player. Heinrich might not be the real deal. Wallace was a starphuck, and the TT and NOah need more polish.

I bet bulls fans think Eddy would look pretty good about now.


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12/24/2007  2:24 PM
Bulls probably will hire Mike Fratello, Rick Carlisle, possibly JVG
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12/24/2007  2:29 PM
Skiles just made my #2.

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12/24/2007  2:30 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Bulls probably will hire Mike Fratello, Rick Carlisle, possibly JVG

I think JVG might be a pretty good fit for them.
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12/24/2007  3:09 PM
This is a despicable move by Paxson to save his own ass. Remove Skiles and bring in what, another Disciplinarian? Makes no sense.
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12/24/2007  3:11 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Skiles just made my #2.

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12/24/2007  3:33 PM
Posted by kam77:

This is a despicable move by Paxson to save his own ass. Remove Skiles and bring in what, another Disciplinarian? Makes no sense.

bulls fan seem to be expecting a trade to go down as well (most likely involving gordon).

he went with skiles for 4+ years - what's the shelf life of coaches these days anyway?

but carlisle, brown, and fratello are upgrades. they may be disciplinarians but they are better x's and o's guys and they are better at player development.

skiles record:


                        Reg Season      Playoffs   
 Season   Tm   Lg      W    L  Win%    W   L  Win% 
+-----------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+
 1999-00  PHO  NBA    40   22  .645    4   5  .444
 2000-01  PHO  NBA    51   31  .622    1   3  .250
 2001-02  PHO  NBA    25   26  .490
 2003-04  CHI  NBA    19   47  .288
 2004-05  CHI  NBA    47   35  .573    2   4  .333
 2005-06  CHI  NBA    41   41  .500    2   4  .333
 2006-07  CHI  NBA    49   33  .598    6   4  .600
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12/24/2007  3:38 PM
skiles doesn't seem to think it was despicable either:
Stressing only the positives, Scott Skiles was upbeat and talked fondly of his Bulls tenure Monday afternoon, mere hours after general manager John Paxson fired him as Bulls coach.

"Hardly a day goes by that I don't demand accountability and stress results," Skiles said from his north suburban home. "Today was my day to be held accountable."

Skiles even had no problem with the timing of the firing, which occurred six years to the day that Tim Floyd resigned under pressure in sudden and dramatic fashion on Christmas Eve.

Paxson, along with team Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, informed Skiles of their decision just before practice started at the Berto Center.

"The fact that it's Christmas Eve is neither here nor there," Skiles said. "The timing doesn't bother me. I'm not destitute."

Skiles said he absolutely hoped to coach in the NBA again, perhaps as early as next season, and stressed how thankful he was to coach the team he cheered for as a child in LaPorte, Ind.

"This is a great organization to coach for," Skiles said. "John is great to work worth, the training staff, the players, ownership. Everything is wrapped around the Bulls having success.

"I just wish we could have figured things out this season. I won't look at my time here as failure. But the endgame is."

In parts of five seasons with the Bulls, Skiles had a mark of 165-172 and three playoff appearances. The Bulls swept Miami last postseason to win their first playoff series since the Michael Jordan era ended.
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12/24/2007  3:53 PM

Skiles has done a decent job throughout...One has to think there is more to his firing than meets the eye...
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12/24/2007  3:57 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

skiles doesn't seem to think it was despicable either:
Stressing only the positives, Scott Skiles was upbeat and talked fondly of his Bulls tenure Monday afternoon, mere hours after general manager John Paxson fired him as Bulls coach.

"Hardly a day goes by that I don't demand accountability and stress results," Skiles said from his north suburban home. "Today was my day to be held accountable."

Skiles even had no problem with the timing of the firing, which occurred six years to the day that Tim Floyd resigned under pressure in sudden and dramatic fashion on Christmas Eve.

Paxson, along with team Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, informed Skiles of their decision just before practice started at the Berto Center.

"The fact that it's Christmas Eve is neither here nor there," Skiles said. "The timing doesn't bother me. I'm not destitute."

Skiles said he absolutely hoped to coach in the NBA again, perhaps as early as next season, and stressed how thankful he was to coach the team he cheered for as a child in LaPorte, Ind.

"This is a great organization to coach for," Skiles said. "John is great to work worth, the training staff, the players, ownership. Everything is wrapped around the Bulls having success.

"I just wish we could have figured things out this season. I won't look at my time here as failure. But the endgame is."

In parts of five seasons with the Bulls, Skiles had a mark of 165-172 and three playoff appearances. The Bulls swept Miami last postseason to win their first playoff series since the Michael Jordan era ended.

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12/24/2007  4:36 PM
Skiles did not just get fire because of the record,he also got fired because the Bulls organization hates his guts as well as the players. If they ever wanted to resign any players Skiles had to go. The Bulls wanted to fire him for awhile. However, they made it deep in the playoffs. Now that the team has a horrible record they have an excuse.
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12/24/2007  4:41 PM
Posted by BigC:

Skiles did not just get fire because of the record,he also got fired because the Bulls organization hates his guts as well as the players. If they ever wanted to resign any players Skiles had to go. The Bulls wanted to fire him for awhile. However, they made it deep in the playoffs. Now that the team has a horrible record they have an excuse.


Duhon seems to like him along with Nocioni.
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12/24/2007  6:34 PM
Wow is all I can say after hearing this. This had to be deeper than just a coaching issue. Skiles was not like by the Bulls organization. I know Ben Wallace did not like him either. Skiles made that team respectable again and for him to lose his job while being 9-16 in a weak Eastern Conference makes me question this move. They were 6-6 in December, but I guess the Bulls organization no longer tolerates mediocrity (Knicks). All this says to me is that Paxson has a bullseye on his ass because he will be next to go.
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12/24/2007  6:42 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Wow is all I can say after hearing this. This had to be deeper than just a coaching issue. Skiles was not like by the Bulls organization. I know Ben Wallace did not like him either. Skiles made that team respectable again and for him to lose his job while being 9-16 in a weak Eastern Conference makes me question this move. They were 6-6 in December, but I guess the Bulls organization no longer tolerates mediocrity (Knicks). All this says to me is that Paxson has a bullseye on his ass because he will be next to go.

that's how it usually works. a gm only really gets one coaching fire and one coaching hire during their tenure.
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12/24/2007  6:43 PM
Everyone was so sure the Bulls were destined for greatness. It's strange how all those great character guys and winners on the Bulls have come up small and imploded like this. The Knicks players never were any of these things. What is the Bulls excuse? For the great Paxson to have dropped the ball on moves he could've made to improve the team and then fire the coach is lame. You guys talk about Isiah, but is Paxson really any better? Perhaps he just had a good coach to make him look better than he really was.

Has anyone thought that maybe Skiles did such a good job that the Bulls overachieved and made everyone think they were closer than they really were. I saw a team that played so hard for every minute of every game under Skiles that maybe that high level output just wasn't sustainable longterm. You can only ride a horse at top speed for so long. Yeah the Knicks stink so far this year but I'm glad I don't have to keep hearing about how the Bulls are in such great shape anymore. I know many of you will still say that, but in terms of their options, they will have to make some rather drastic moves to fix their team too and there's no guarantee that Paxson will be able to pull it off.
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12/24/2007  6:49 PM
Yeah, you wont hear how good the Bulls are anymore...I think the new team that all Knicks fans are talking about is the BLAZERS.
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