Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
If you look at this game in a vacuum then you could make a lineup change based off the above. Most of what you said wouldn't apply overall if you consider the game(s) before against the Bobcats where Nazr, Emeka, and Wallace had a ton of points in the paint. Or even Ind where you had Murphy hitting from deep with no big guarding him and J.O. mismatched on Curry eating him alive in the paint. It's obvious our starting front line will not work and never should have been put together in the first place. Of course with you suggesting Curry and Zach should remain in the line-up further exposes your stubbornness as fan because you were the main front runner this off-season claiming how the two of them would work. So your tweak(s) involves vested interest more so than what's best for the team. You don't, aren't, and haven't looked at this team correctly for a long term Luva. There's no doubt you adore the team overall but your assessments, perceptions, analysis, and expectations are way off base.
Who is looking at this game in a vacuum, i've been saying the same things for a while now, where the hell have you been? I've got the posts to prove it. TrueBlue stick to describing your own take on things and stop trying to tell me what i'm thinking.
You have to look at how teams hurt us most often and that is not in the paint with their bigs. It's on the perimeter with penetration and jumpers. All you did was bring up a few games that have been the exception for this team. Overall on D, we've had more problems on the perimeter. Our Guards only expose the soft shot blocking, but the problem starts on the outside. Exhibit 1 is Jamal almost never fighting over picks. Exhibit 2 is Q not being able to stay with his man or close out effectively. Nate has been bad at guarding the perimeter and Balk has lost his way, now, not getting up into his man anymore, but leaving too much space and giving up shots. We also have shown a tendency to make very poor defensive rotations and yes Curry is part of that, but he's at the end of the poor rotations on the perimeter.
Offensively it's been even worse. The supposed strength of this team was to be it's offense and Isiah hasn't taken advantage of that. We should be one of the higher scoring teams in the league. The offensive attack is all wrong and we don't take advantage of our strengths. We make it easy for teams to defend us and that starts with Isiah. Curry isn't getting enough touches and easy looks. With more motion and penetration that would happen. Isiah is now holding the losing against him, when he knows that Curry isn't and hasn't been a defensive player. To maximize his usefullness you have to find a better way to get him involved in the offense. That's his main contribution. If you want to lessen his minutes fine, but let's not have Isiah pretend that he's gonna make him something he's not. Instead of finding a better way of getting him loose for shots, all Isiah has done is make it harder.
A lot of what you said is true but you know what every team's defensive back courts are suspect in this league, with exception to maybe less than a handful of teams. Most Guards get beat off the dribble but it's the line of defense behind them that's the key. Then to top off your reasoning you highlight the fact the Curry/Zach combo offensively hasn't surfaced successfully yet you still reasoned to have them in the starting line-up. You're correct our offense is worse than our defense(regardless of the lack of motion explanation you just gave which is crap BTW) we've been highlighting Curry and Zach quite a bit and they've had their chances. Both have made personal statements about their games this yr to the press with the summation of not being acceptable. If they are owning up then why are excusing them? Have you ignored Curry's early foul trouble or Zach's habitual tendency to hold the ball when it enters the post or their combined turnovers? And of course they both don't have the capability to provide interior defensive help when our guards and small forwards get beat, why keep both of them in the starting unit? One and/or the both of them shouldn't be in the starting line-up according to what you stated above. I don't want to spend another 27gms feeding Curry's and Zach's appetite to do nothing but score. I want earned, deserved play with a basic Dumb Downed System this group is capable of digesting.
And if all your observations are dead on then You're DEAD WRONG in this respect "YOU THOUGHT I SAY UGH WAS THE RIGHT COACH FOR THIS TEAM WHEN LB WAS DISMISSED" now you're retracting from that opinion.
Nixluva Writes.....I'm not retracting i'm observing what he's done. Just like I would with anyone doing anything on this team. I felt that he had the right idea and he hasn't stuck to his guns on that. He's the one that changed on ME.
He's done this to all of us fans and this isn't the first time he's done it and you know it. Remember last yr he told us we'd run a push offense PHX Suns style, we'd be more of a running athletic team that'd look to score early in the offense. My question to you is.....after he lied with the above why did you choose to believe him when he told us we'd become a power team? Not only that you thought many of the doubters were unreasonable as they tried to tell you he's just passifying/lying/buying time and we don't have the right kind of players to pull this off.
I want what he promised. See, you want to keep attacking me and that would be fine if this was about me, but it's not. I just have an opinion and no control over the team. How can my observations be dead wrong when it was Isiah who described the offensive system and I still believe that if he used more of those principles we'd be more successful. He's gone away from the concepts he came in with.
Once again this isn't the first time he's gone away from what he's promised. Take a look at the thread Created by Cosmic that has all of his quotes from 2003 to present. I'm asking you this man-to-man to look at it if you haven't and you'll read several lies of his or ideas he's aborted or failed to implement since arriving. Why do you think the so-called haters are upset with him? You're arriving at our conclusions/questionings later in time, that's all. You're basically regurgitating our complaints.
Tell me genius how the idea of more motion is Crap? Whenever we have more player movement and passing the offense looks much better.
True but Curry and Zach don't want to play this way and they also have to move themselves in the motion offense
What is crap is the stand around and force it into the post offense Isiah has shown this year. Everything grinds to a halt when we do that. We see no pick and roll, no give and go, no curls etc. as he promised and those plays are beyond the comprehension of these players. Last year one of our most basic sets was a triangle style set, where Steph would pass to Q or some other Perimeter player and make a cut taking his man with him, and thus making room for Curry to recieve the pass and make his move after the passer also made a cut to the basket taking his man with him. That was only one option on that play, but a set like that is preferrable to the way we feed the post now. Our sets are just too simplistic and we rarely have good spacing. Curl plays using Jamal and Nate have worked, but we don't give teams a steady diet of that. Screens for our guards and more cuts to the basket off pick and rolls would be nice too. Just cuz you have post palyers in the game doesn't mean you shouldn't mix things up so that teams are kept off balance. Curry and Zach have great hands and can score in other ways beside strict post ups.
Agreed but Curry and Zach
aren't good passers or
are too selfish most of the time which causes the rest of our players to stand around. They probably reason why cut or waste energy moving around if they'll
rarely see the ball from these two Blackholes. Zach and mainly Curry
don't like to come out to set screens because it takes them away from
their comfort zones operating in the paint. Zach is a very good rebounder but if he's setting screens who's under the basket or boxing out for rebounds just in case a shot is missed by our
40% or less back court players and swingmen? It sure isn't Curry. You see that was the advantage of having Frye here because he would set screens and move around 15-18ft range away from basket with no problem and Curry had all the room in the world to operate. It also gave our backcourt players a little more freedom to move without the
paint being clogged as it now with Zach and Curry down there. Now you may reason "That's why we have David Lee", well that means
you need to sit either Zach or Curry, which gets back to my original retort "a Curry/Zach starting front line will not work". I SAY UGH'S treatment of Lee in general has been suspicious from jump. Now with Randolph in the fold, the coach doesn't want to stab the gm in the back to dampen the Zach acquisition so therefore Lee's chain gets yanked by the GM while the coach fumbles these 27 gms away trying to make the gm's moves work. I looked at your starting line-up again Jamal, Jones, Chandler, Zach, and Curry doesn't provide enough rebounding IMO even with Zach's decent numbers on the boards he get's overwhelmed often times against "formidable" frontcourts Reggie Evans ring a bell Luva?
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-23-2007 8:34 PM]
12/23/2007 4:44 PM