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12/22/2007  2:55 PM
Know what? It's his business to fight the fine. It's not some atrocity to do so. He was rightfully docked a full games pay for fleeing the team but if he has a different story and wants it back it's his right.

More important is how he can not help the Knicks anymore and now New York would be best served sending him home for the last time and work on a buy out of his contract and move on from him.

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12/22/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by holfresh:
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Posted by holfresh:


195k is 195k not matter how much you make..It has the same buying power ...And anyone here saying they would walk away from that for reasons such as principle is lying...Better yet, I don't believe them...


200K is 1% of his pay check.
I guess he has more that this from business, but lets say same.
So 200K is 0.5% of his income.

0.5% of my family income is 750$.
It's good money for me but not enough to sell my pride.
Is 0.5% of you income enough for you to sell your pride?

200k could build 5 Katrina houses in New Orleans...Thats a lot of dough not matter how much you make...


How you know that Steph is planning to donate this 200K?
Actually if he will do this - he will be THE MAN and I will have no problems with this stuff.

I agree. If he takes the money that he gets back (if he gets it back) and donates it in addition to his normal donations, then we have a different argument. As he has not stated his intention to donate the $195k to charity, I don't think we can consider that.
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12/22/2007  3:01 PM
Posted by holfresh:

And regarding the Knicks being patient with him...One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other...It doesn't really translate...

They're not directly related. They are very closely related indirectly, however. It's just the act of a man with no class. "You scratch my back, I scratch yours" is a typical policy. In Steph's case, "you scratch my back, I slap you in the face and tell you to buy me a massuse". It is an absolute slap in the face to Knicks management.
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12/22/2007  3:17 PM
If the team could come together in his absence it could promote a buyout this summer.

Let Marbury take his time, its not like we do well with him.
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12/22/2007  3:29 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by holfresh:

And regarding the Knicks being patient with him...One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other...It doesn't really translate...

They're not directly related. They are very closely related indirectly, however. It's just the act of a man with no class. "You scratch my back, I scratch yours" is a typical policy. In Steph's case, "you scratch my back, I slap you in the face and tell you to buy me a massuse". It is an absolute slap in the face to Knicks management.

It has nothing to do with oh cuz its Steph. Isiah's bereavement policy altered after dealing with Tinsley's loss while coach of the Pacers. Numerous times he said he felt bad for having Tinsley rejoin the team before he was ready and vowed he'd leave it up to the player from that point on.
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12/22/2007  3:31 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by holfresh:

And regarding the Knicks being patient with him...One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other...It doesn't really translate...

They're not directly related. They are very closely related indirectly, however. It's just the act of a man with no class. "You scratch my back, I scratch yours" is a typical policy. In Steph's case, "you scratch my back, I slap you in the face and tell you to buy me a massuse". It is an absolute slap in the face to Knicks management.

It has nothing to do with oh cuz its Steph. Isiah's bereavement policy altered after dealing with Tinsley's loss while coach of the Pacers. Numerous times he said he felt bad for having Tinsley rejoin the team before he was ready and vowed he'd leave it up to the player from that point on.

I didn't say it was because he was Steph. The Knicks are being generous here. They could easily have not allowed him to leave. That's my point. Marbury could've lost a lot more for the time he's had off after his father's passing. Why gripe over an amount that's much smaller than that?
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12/22/2007  3:48 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by holfresh:

And regarding the Knicks being patient with him...One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other...It doesn't really translate...

They're not directly related. They are very closely related indirectly, however. It's just the act of a man with no class. "You scratch my back, I scratch yours" is a typical policy. In Steph's case, "you scratch my back, I slap you in the face and tell you to buy me a massuse". It is an absolute slap in the face to Knicks management.

It has nothing to do with oh cuz its Steph. Isiah's bereavement policy altered after dealing with Tinsley's loss while coach of the Pacers. Numerous times he said he felt bad for having Tinsley rejoin the team before he was ready and vowed he'd leave it up to the player from that point on.

I didn't say it was because he was Steph. The Knicks are being generous here. They could easily have not allowed him to leave. That's my point. Marbury could've lost a lot more for the time he's had off after his father's passing. Why gripe over an amount that's much smaller than that?

because its his money. whether or not he has lived up to the contract on the basketball court I'd argue "heeeellllll noooooooooo" all day long. What time afforded for bereavement and the incident where he left the team are two solely indepedent issues. Its a business decision on his part to try and go thru the proper NBA channels to re-coup what he feels he unjustly loss and it has nothing to do with the on-court product so I don't understand the need to bash him for this.



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12/22/2007  3:50 PM
Like I said. Stephon is contageous. Now he's got you' guys fightinig over his money!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/22/2007  4:07 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by holfresh:


195k is 195k not matter how much you make..It has the same buying power ...And anyone here saying they would walk away from that for reasons such as principle is lying...Better yet, I don't believe them...


200K is 1% of his pay check.
I guess he has more that this from business, but lets say same.
So 200K is 0.5% of his income.

0.5% of my family income is 750$.
It's good money for me but not enough to sell my pride.
Is 0.5% of you income enough for you to sell your pride?

200k could build 5 Katrina houses in New Orleans...Thats a lot of dough not matter how much you make...


How you know that Steph is planning to donate this 200K?
Actually if he will do this - he will be THE MAN and I will have no problems with this stuff.

I agree. If he takes the money that he gets back (if he gets it back) and donates it in addition to his normal donations, then we have a different argument. As he has not stated his intention to donate the $195k to charity, I don't think we can consider that.

Well he has given millions away to charity, millions...But I guess that doesn't count does it...
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12/22/2007  4:25 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by holfresh:


195k is 195k not matter how much you make..It has the same buying power ...And anyone here saying they would walk away from that for reasons such as principle is lying...Better yet, I don't believe them...


200K is 1% of his pay check.
I guess he has more that this from business, but lets say same.
So 200K is 0.5% of his income.

0.5% of my family income is 750$.
It's good money for me but not enough to sell my pride.
Is 0.5% of you income enough for you to sell your pride?

200k could build 5 Katrina houses in New Orleans...Thats a lot of dough not matter how much you make...


How you know that Steph is planning to donate this 200K?
Actually if he will do this - he will be THE MAN and I will have no problems with this stuff.

I agree. If he takes the money that he gets back (if he gets it back) and donates it in addition to his normal donations, then we have a different argument. As he has not stated his intention to donate the $195k to charity, I don't think we can consider that.

Well he has given millions away to charity, millions...But I guess that doesn't count does it...


If I may ask, why isn't this point being made of all the other players not only in the NBA who make contributions, but all the different athletes in all other sports? Giving doesn't mean someone owes you something. Besides, these guys get tax breaks for giving. It's called philanthropy. It's a win-win situation and that's why a lot of people do it. They can help, but they get something back for helping. Not a crime, but lets not mix it up with performance on a field or court. That counts for something different. It's also about who deserves to make that kind of money also. And then there's the question of integrity. I mean one who jumps in the truck, that stands for something also.
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12/23/2007  5:40 AM
Posted by 4949:
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u can bash on Marbury for leaving the team the way he did, & for even filing some silly grievance on this fine when he knew walking out on the team was the wrong thing to do & completely unprofessional to begin with... but u can't bash the guy for wanting to collect the money that's owed to him on his contract... not 1 of us would have walked away from those millions so let's not be hypocrites.

Allan Houston was a well-respected former Knick & he took a lot more money from MSG than Marbury did his last couple seasons... he clung onto trying to make his comebacks because he didn't want to retire... that way he was able to collect on the rest of the money that was coming to him on the contract he signed... who the hell walks away from 8 figures?

I would also like to add on the other hand, that I thouroughly believe that stephone brought this whole thing upon himself, as well as the entire team. He is the very reason why Brown was shipped out and why Isiah finds himself on the sidelines, waiting to be next. These contracts desperately need all kinds of clauses in them. Especially if MSG is going to be handing out massive amounts of money. I'd like just 'ONE' of you's to justify paying someone with mental problems 20 million ****'n dollars! Just one of you! Come out and justify it. We'll know who jumped in the truck!

i'm not trying to excuse his pathetically unprofessional behavior since he's been here, trust me on that... money is money... not many people are willing to walk away from that amount of money, whether you think they're honorable or not.
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12/23/2007  10:54 PM
there are rumblings that he's going to retire...
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12/23/2007  11:20 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

there are rumblings that he's going to retire...

What kinda buyout did the Knicks offer?
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12/24/2007  9:45 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by holfresh:


195k is 195k not matter how much you make..It has the same buying power ...And anyone here saying they would walk away from that for reasons such as principle is lying...Better yet, I don't believe them...


200K is 1% of his pay check.
I guess he has more that this from business, but lets say same.
So 200K is 0.5% of his income.

0.5% of my family income is 750$.
It's good money for me but not enough to sell my pride.
Is 0.5% of you income enough for you to sell your pride?

200k could build 5 Katrina houses in New Orleans...Thats a lot of dough not matter how much you make...


How you know that Steph is planning to donate this 200K?
Actually if he will do this - he will be THE MAN and I will have no problems with this stuff.

I agree. If he takes the money that he gets back (if he gets it back) and donates it in addition to his normal donations, then we have a different argument. As he has not stated his intention to donate the $195k to charity, I don't think we can consider that.

What?! How do you put your moral spin on what he should do with the money he earned. Just becuase he's wealthy doesn't mean that he shouldn't fight for what he feels he is owed. What if you were in disagreement with your job over lets say one day of vacation pay. It's nothing near your full salary but you feel that you were owed the money for whatever reason. Would you not fight to get it back if you feel you were wronged? It wouldn't be anything close to what you make on a weekly basis. You could probably do without a days pay but why would you if you earned it?

How about on top of that, becuause you probably don't "need it" someone tells you that it would only be fair for you to fight for the return of the money if you donated it to charity - since it's only a portion of what you normally earn. That person would sound a little self-righteous don't you think? How dare someone tell a person what they should do with their own money. That's one of the many problems with this country. We're always worried about the next person. Stay true to your own advice. Make sure your donating money to charity. And even if you are, that doesn't give you the right to dictate what people should do with the money they earned.
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