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12/21/2007  8:49 AM
I think it is good that Marbury is staying home with his family. If you think about it he spent most of his time away from them. There are 82 games in a season not to mention practices, traveling, plus he went on a sneaker tour. Really how much time did he really have to spend with his family. Right now I think he is just reflexing on his life and family.

Right now hopefully the Knicks will be more focused on winning. Instead of the Isiah camp vs the players camp.
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12/21/2007  9:20 AM
w/Marbs - Knicks are 5-13(.278%)
w/o Marbs - Knicks are 3-4(.429%)

w/Marbs - Knicks averaging 92.1 ppg
w/o Marbs - Knicks averaging 99.9 ppg

w/Marbs - Jamal averaging 16.3 ppg, Fred Jones averaging 3.2 ppg
w/o Marbs - Jamal averaging 24.1 ppg, Fred Jones averaging 12.3 ppg

decide for yourself whether this team is better off w/o him or not.
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12/21/2007  9:24 AM
Posted by TMS:

w/Marbs - Knicks are 5-13(.278%)
w/o Marbs - Knicks are 3-4(.429%)

w/Marbs - Knicks averaging 92.1 ppg
w/o Marbs - Knicks averaging 99.9 ppg

w/Marbs - Jamal averaging 16.3 ppg, Fred Jones averaging 3.2 ppg
w/o Marbs - Jamal averaging 24.1 ppg, Fred Jones averaging 12.3 ppg

decide for yourself whether this team is better off w/o him or not.

Good stats. The only thing is I thought we were 3-3 without Marbury. No?

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12/21/2007  10:21 AM
i got those stats off SportsNite this morning... an ironic twist to all this is that you could fairly argue this team would be better off having Marbury WITH the team since they tend to lose more games when he's around... tanking the season & winning a high lottery pick is probably their 1 & only real chance to effectively turn things around anytime soon.
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12/21/2007  11:22 AM
Yes, we are 3-3 without Steph. But what is more interesting is:

ON THE SEASON, we average 94.2 ppg
WITHOUT STEPH, we average 101.6 ppg

ON THE SEASON, opponents avg 101.9 ppg
WITHOUT STEPH, opponents avg 100 ppg

ON THE SEASON, we avg 17.2 apg
WITHOUT STEPH, we avg 18.2 apg

ON THE SEASON, we avg 6.8 spg
WITHOUT STEPH, we avg 7.2 spg

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Posted by Queeniepop:

Yes, we are 3-3 without Steph. But what is more interesting is:

ON THE SEASON, we average 94.2 ppg
WITHOUT STEPH, we average 101.6 ppg

ON THE SEASON, opponents avg 101.9 ppg
WITHOUT STEPH, opponents avg 100 ppg

ON THE SEASON, we avg 17.2 apg
WITHOUT STEPH, we avg 18.2 apg

ON THE SEASON, we avg 6.8 spg
WITHOUT STEPH, we avg 7.2 spg

Clearly it is not Marbury. It is nMalik Rose in his 1 minute per game is the problem. lol

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12/21/2007  11:48 AM
Marbury-Craw
Jones-Nate
Richardson-Balkman
Zach-Lee
Lee-Curry

should be very simple
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12/21/2007  12:16 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by Queeniepop:

Yes, we are 3-3 without Steph. But what is more interesting is:

ON THE SEASON, we average 94.2 ppg
WITHOUT STEPH, we average 101.6 ppg

ON THE SEASON, opponents avg 101.9 ppg
WITHOUT STEPH, opponents avg 100 ppg

ON THE SEASON, we avg 17.2 apg
WITHOUT STEPH, we avg 18.2 apg

ON THE SEASON, we avg 6.8 spg
WITHOUT STEPH, we avg 7.2 spg

Clearly it is not Marbury. It is nMalik Rose in his 1 minute per game is the problem. lol

The problem is everybody. I don't see how searching to single out one player and figure that we're anything more than a very slightly better team without him solves the bigger issues at hand.

We were supposed to be a playoff contender this season, remember that?

Our problems are:

Curry: Disinterested, Lazy, grossly overweight, one-dimensional and can't even do that one dimension right anymore. Low IQ.

Zach: Immensely talented yet plays no defense and sometimes has a problem sharing the ball.

QRich: Injury prone. Horribly inconsistent.

Crawford: Disgustingly inconsistent. No defense. Poor decision making. Low IQ.

Marbury: Aging, moping, disinterested, locker room divider, little to no defense. Low IQ.


Removing Marbury doesn't change much.

While I think if we traded Curry and bought out Marbury that we would be an improved team all I can quesiton is: How much improved? Drastically? Hell no not with those other guys still here.

So what's the goal? Pray we "turn the corner" after jettising these guys.....and be satisfied with playing .500 ball the rest of the season en route to 35 wins and no playoffs?

Is that improvement?


I'm rambling because the point is this teams troubles go beyond ONE PLAYER. Our troubles reach through EIGHT PLAYERS and the GM/COACH.

EIGHT PLAYERS and the man who brought them here and can't coach them either!


So musing removing Marbury would lead to big things is one giant dead end IMO. After removing Marbury you got eight players and the gm/coach to dispose of before anything would seem promising with the team's future.
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12/21/2007  1:02 PM
Posted by TMS:

w/Marbs - Knicks are 5-13(.278%)
w/o Marbs - Knicks are 3-4(.429%)

w/Marbs - Knicks averaging 92.1 ppg
w/o Marbs - Knicks averaging 99.9 ppg

w/Marbs - Jamal averaging 16.3 ppg, Fred Jones averaging 3.2 ppg
w/o Marbs - Jamal averaging 24.1 ppg, Fred Jones averaging 12.3 ppg

decide for yourself whether this team is better off w/o him or not.


No deciding needed.... the proof is in the post....
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12/21/2007  1:18 PM
Marbury's issues have nothing to do with basketball and never have which is something Captain Save-A-Hoe Thomas and Marbury's stans and detractors alike never understood.

As for him milking his father's death, this is his rock bottom. It'd be hard on anyone obviously and anyone who's ever lost a parent and has kids of their own knows that that's when your own mortality begins to really hit you. Then add to the fact that Marbury was very close to his father, and is f***ing crazy and extremely emotional anyway. He didn't just arrive at this point. He's been snowballing to it for the last 3 years and finally exploded. Everything he ever did right was on account of his parents (and later his wife). The millions in charity, the free haircuts, the cheap shoes, that was all Don Marbury's influence. The businesses - that's all his wife. Whenever Steph screwed up, it was Don who was on his *** while the Berman-bury's, Save-A-Hoe Coaches, hanger-on friends and stanning fans coddled him and made excuses thinking that was the best way to stay on his good side. Now he doesn't have the one person around who could tell him what to do without worrying about losing his meal ticket and he's probably searching for his own identity. Isiah hinted at it and George Glymph came out and said it - the man is depressed. What he needs to do is leave NY, personally and professionally and re-evaluate his priorities.

His relationship with his current teammates reflects his bi-polar behavior. Many of them will tell you he's a horrible teammate but a good friend (which is a far cry from just being a complete ***hole in his other stops). It's why they could vote him off the team one week and voluntarily support him at his father's funeral the next. Many of them would be happy to never play with him again, but still remain concerned about him as a person. Q all but kicked his *** in practice that day and would have if the rest of the team didn't restrain him and Steph didn't run. Next thing you know, they're everywhere together, buddy buddy, laughing and joking, double dating and $hit.

It's the same story with Marbury that it's always been - he has no head. He needs someone to smack him around professionally the way Don did personally. But at 30/31, with 11/12 years in, like Charles said, if he hasn't gotten "it" by now, he never will. The Knicks need to be sensitive to his plight but admit their mistake, cut ties and rebuild for real this time instead of hoping for a happy ending that's never going to come. Steph is not and will never be the type of person he is off the court on it.
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12/21/2007  1:52 PM
That was an excellent piece nysportsfan11 ^5
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Posted by nysportsfan11:

Marbury's issues have nothing to do with basketball and never have which is something Captain Save-A-Hoe Thomas and Marbury's stans and detractors alike never understood.

As for him milking his father's death, this is his rock bottom. It'd be hard on anyone obviously and anyone who's ever lost a parent and has kids of their own knows that that's when your own mortality begins to really hit you. Then add to the fact that Marbury was very close to his father, and is f***ing crazy and extremely emotional anyway. He didn't just arrive at this point. He's been snowballing to it for the last 3 years and finally exploded. Everything he ever did right was on account of his parents (and later his wife). The millions in charity, the free haircuts, the cheap shoes, that was all Don Marbury's influence. The businesses - that's all his wife. Whenever Steph screwed up, it was Don who was on his *** while the Berman-bury's, Save-A-Hoe Coaches, hanger-on friends and stanning fans coddled him and made excuses thinking that was the best way to stay on his good side. Now he doesn't have the one person around who could tell him what to do without worrying about losing his meal ticket and he's probably searching for his own identity. Isiah hinted at it and George Glymph came out and said it - the man is depressed. What he needs to do is leave NY, personally and professionally and re-evaluate his priorities.

His relationship with his current teammates reflects his bi-polar behavior. Many of them will tell you he's a horrible teammate but a good friend (which is a far cry from just being a complete ***hole in his other stops). It's why they could vote him off the team one week and voluntarily support him at his father's funeral the next. Many of them would be happy to never play with him again, but still remain concerned about him as a person. Q all but kicked his *** in practice that day and would have if the rest of the team didn't restrain him and Steph didn't run. Next thing you know, they're everywhere together, buddy buddy, laughing and joking, double dating and $hit.

It's the same story with Marbury that it's always been - he has no head. He needs someone to smack him around professionally the way Don did personally. But at 30/31, with 11/12 years in, like Charles said, if he hasn't gotten "it" by now, he never will. The Knicks need to be sensitive to his plight but admit their mistake, cut ties and rebuild for real this time instead of hoping for a happy ending that's never going to come. Steph is not and will never be the type of person he is off the court on it.

Damn great post...

And as a father and one who lost his mother(who was my best friend) to cancer in 2001, you do, all of a sudden start to sense your own mortality, and I can tell you, I was the same age as marbury was and I was an emotional mess for a while. If not for my wife and kids, I don't know how I would have gotten my shyt together, and I am usually a very strong individual emotionally. So I can understand to some degree what marbury is going through, although everyone handles death differently..

But you were spot on. marbury has been headed down this road for a long time. He has more money than he will need for a life time, he has a family that loves him. I agree with you that he needs to get away from basketball and NY. Go back to pheonix(where he still has a home) spend the year with his family away from NY and basketball. next year, his contract will be in it's last year, hopefully the knicks can trade him and put him in a situation where he can play ball and get his life together, and end this dream of his to win in NY, because that chance is now gone!
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12/21/2007  2:47 PM
hate to say it but steph is soft
thomas knows he'd be on that court winning games if that happened to him

odams jordan lots of people go through this
i heart goes out to steph and his fam
but suck it up and do your job or just call it quits
any other star would have gotten better traetment but he's been
a puss his entire carear
retire and go to europe
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12/21/2007  3:47 PM
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Marbury's issues have nothing to do with basketball and never have which is something Captain Save-A-Hoe Thomas and Marbury's stans and detractors alike never understood.

As for him milking his father's death, this is his rock bottom. It'd be hard on anyone obviously and anyone who's ever lost a parent and has kids of their own knows that that's when your own mortality begins to really hit you. Then add to the fact that Marbury was very close to his father, and is f***ing crazy and extremely emotional anyway. He didn't just arrive at this point. He's been snowballing to it for the last 3 years and finally exploded. Everything he ever did right was on account of his parents (and later his wife). The millions in charity, the free haircuts, the cheap shoes, that was all Don Marbury's influence. The businesses - that's all his wife. Whenever Steph screwed up, it was Don who was on his *** while the Berman-bury's, Save-A-Hoe Coaches, hanger-on friends and stanning fans coddled him and made excuses thinking that was the best way to stay on his good side. Now he doesn't have the one person around who could tell him what to do without worrying about losing his meal ticket and he's probably searching for his own identity. Isiah hinted at it and George Glymph came out and said it - the man is depressed. What he needs to do is leave NY, personally and professionally and re-evaluate his priorities.

His relationship with his current teammates reflects his bi-polar behavior. Many of them will tell you he's a horrible teammate but a good friend (which is a far cry from just being a complete ***hole in his other stops). It's why they could vote him off the team one week and voluntarily support him at his father's funeral the next. Many of them would be happy to never play with him again, but still remain concerned about him as a person. Q all but kicked his *** in practice that day and would have if the rest of the team didn't restrain him and Steph didn't run. Next thing you know, they're everywhere together, buddy buddy, laughing and joking, double dating and $hit.

It's the same story with Marbury that it's always been - he has no head. He needs someone to smack him around professionally the way Don did personally. But at 30/31, with 11/12 years in, like Charles said, if he hasn't gotten "it" by now, he never will. The Knicks need to be sensitive to his plight but admit their mistake, cut ties and rebuild for real this time instead of hoping for a happy ending that's never going to come. Steph is not and will never be the type of person he is off the court on it.



This is just another post filled with apologies. You cited some of the positive things he's done in the past 3 yrs due to Don and his wife's influence meanwhile we've seen/hear of him in the past 3yrs display simultaneous disgraceful conduct

Calling a high ranking MSG exec a Bitch/Ho
Showing up Drunk at Summer League Game while being interviewed
Having Sex in his Truck with an Intern while married
Battling/Threatening his coaches in the Press
Passifying Dog Fighting
Telling everyone he's going back to being Starbury
Talking about Playing Overseas while still under contract here in the States
Leaving his team during the season
Insulting the Intelligence of MSG fans through the Media
It was also believed he was messing around with Kamora Lee Simmons amidst the time of the Simmons Seperation/Divorce

I'm sure DON was proud of all of these moments. Steph is Softy, who purposely comes across as Abbrasive yet is Introverted/Abstract in many social aspects. Steph appears to me to be a guy who picks and chooses how and when he wants to change but isn't whole souled/100% sincere when going about it.

The time of season and him losing other members close to him may have worn him down but with Steph you never know what's going on, he's a BLOWN FUSE, SHORT CIRCUIT, LIVE WIRE bundle into one being.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-21-2007 2:49 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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12/21/2007  6:37 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:





This is just another post filled with apologies. You cited some of the positive things he's done in the past 3 yrs due to Don and his wife's influence meanwhile we've seen/hear of him in the past 3yrs display simultaneous disgraceful conduct

Calling a high ranking MSG exec a Bitch/Ho
Showing up Drunk at Summer League Game while being interviewed
Having Sex in his Truck with an Intern while married
Battling/Threatening his coaches in the Press
Passifying Dog Fighting
Telling everyone he's going back to being Starbury
Talking about Playing Overseas while still under contract here in the States
Leaving his team during the season
Insulting the Intelligence of MSG fans through the Media
It was also believed he was messing around with Kamora Lee Simmons amidst the time of the Simmons Seperation/Divorce

I'm sure DON was proud of all of these moments. Steph is Softy, who purposely comes across as Abbrasive yet is Introverted/Abstract in many social aspects. Steph appears to me to be a guy who picks and chooses how and when he wants to change but isn't whole souled/100% sincere when going about it.

The time of season and him losing other members close to him may have worn him down but with Steph you never know what's going on, he's a BLOWN FUSE, SHORT CIRCUIT, LIVE WIRE bundle into one being.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-21-2007 2:49 PM]

Oh no! Not the TRUTH or anything! Not that! Not in MSG that's against Dolan's media policy!

Hey, didn't Brett Favre have a career game the day after he lost his father?

I feel bad for Marbury as a person. I have had enough with Marbury the player. Steph, take right through June 2009 to mourn your loss. You're a great community guy and it's time you just left basketball and went on to pursue that.

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12/21/2007  7:13 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TrueBlue:





This is just another post filled with apologies. You cited some of the positive things he's done in the past 3 yrs due to Don and his wife's influence meanwhile we've seen/hear of him in the past 3yrs display simultaneous disgraceful conduct

Calling a high ranking MSG exec a Bitch/Ho
Showing up Drunk at Summer League Game while being interviewed
Having Sex in his Truck with an Intern while married
Battling/Threatening his coaches in the Press
Passifying Dog Fighting
Telling everyone he's going back to being Starbury
Talking about Playing Overseas while still under contract here in the States
Leaving his team during the season
Insulting the Intelligence of MSG fans through the Media
It was also believed he was messing around with Kamora Lee Simmons amidst the time of the Simmons Seperation/Divorce

I'm sure DON was proud of all of these moments. Steph is Softy, who purposely comes across as Abbrasive yet is Introverted/Abstract in many social aspects. Steph appears to me to be a guy who picks and chooses how and when he wants to change but isn't whole souled/100% sincere when going about it.

The time of season and him losing other members close to him may have worn him down but with Steph you never know what's going on, he's a BLOWN FUSE, SHORT CIRCUIT, LIVE WIRE bundle into one being.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-21-2007 2:49 PM]

Oh no! Not the TRUTH or anything! Not that! Not in MSG that's against Dolan's media policy!

Hey, didn't Brett Favre have a career game the day after he lost his father?

I feel bad for Marbury as a person. I have had enough with Marbury the player. Steph, take right through June 2009 to mourn your loss. You're a great community guy and it's time you just left basketball and went on to pursue that.


Cosmic great example in Favre but unfair, you're comparing a Leader/HOFer/Ultimate Competitor/Great Community Guy to a Charity Case/Weak-Minded/Immature/Good Community Guy

Didn't Lamar Odom lose his 6mos old baby to SID is their anything worse than that?
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12/22/2007  12:12 AM
Steph cannot use his father's death as an excuse as to why he's failed miserably up to this point in being a leader & positive presence on this roster... he needs to go now, for the sake of the NY Knicks.
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12/22/2007  3:22 PM
actually if he desides he wants to sit all yr great
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12/22/2007  4:04 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by NYK3:

Wow, maybe him retiring is a strong possibility after all...like the guy or not, you have to have compassion for what he's going through...losing a loved one (especially a parent) is never easy

But he isn't the only one this has happened to. I feel sorry for anyone who loses a loved but at the same time this is coming across as Marbury putting his situations before the team. It's a Vibe that feels like "Yeah all of us has lost loved ones but I lost "DON MARBURY", therefore "DON MARBURY">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your loved ones. While internally that's true but on a scale of "Times And Unforseen Occurences Befall US ALL" it isn't. It's like his dad's death is more important than Q losing his brother that was gunned down or Zach's grandmother's death, who played a huge role in raising him. And if this incident brought this team closer together, how come if for nothing else he doesn't spend time with the team and stay close to them instead of not traveling or attending practice with them?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-20-2007 2:40 PM]

I tried to agree on this more, but couldn't.
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12/22/2007  4:07 PM
Posted by Travla:

His dad became ill at the Garden and while he didn't die there, Steph may feel that way to a certain extent. It's hard, he has to try and play there, plus he's still home around family so he has to think of it every day. To add to it, it's the holiday season and his dad's birthdate was a few days ago. Maybe the next road trip will help him.

[Edited by - Travla on 12-20-2007 15:01]

Wouldn't it be ironic that stephon finally grows up from the death of his father, at the end of his Knick career?
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