Posted by Bonn1997:


The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, Isiah came in and tore everything down and then rebuilt on the fly. If Dolan is responsible for the "win now" environment of the past 7 years, then the next GM Dolan picks will do the same tearing down and rebuilding on the fly.

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by Bonn1997:


The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, Isiah came in and tore everything down and then rebuilt on the fly. If Dolan is responsible for the "win now" environment of the past 7 years, then the next GM Dolan picks will do the same tearing down and rebuilding on the fly.

There's a difference between tearing down and rebuilding on the fly. At least, this is how I interpret such phrases:

Tearing down means liquidating everything you have for expirings, kids on rookie deals, picks.
Rebuild on the fly means trading expiring deals and other assets for the next best 'entering his prime' high-paid player. We did that in the 90s and it worked like a charm. We did it with Isiah and it failed miserably.

Isiah didn't tear anything down. He rebuilt on the fly. Everyone he acquired he did so using expirings or would be expirings and some youth and picks.


I also don't think you can lump all 7 years (and a potential future new exec's years) into one game plan.

Layden = Dolan trying his hand at running a club.
Isiah = Dolan giving up with that and wanting to "win now" and Isiah agreed he thought he could recycle the "assets" into a winning team.
Next Guy = Wow, this is a mess, no way can I just make a few quick trades and have them on a contending track so I'm going to recommend to tear it down and might just make it the main point in whether or not I take this job!


Maybe I'm being too optimistic here with a potential future but I think there's at least some logic to how I view the Layden-Isiah-New Guy chapters. I think there's quite a bit of difference between all three (the third being a speculative future situation of course, lets hope NEAR future).

Posted by eViL:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Well we're all just guessing here but it seems that Dolan at least prefers to hire GMs who will rebuild on the fly and may even *require* them to rebuild on the fly. So I don't think we'll ever get to the point where Dolan will hire a GM who has the thought processes you just mentioned. Now why does Dolan prefer a GM who does quick rebuilding on the fly, which started at least with the McDyess and maybe even the Rice trade? I think he's not willing to have several years of huge revenue losses just to rebuild the Knicks. Even if the Knicks just roughly break even every year, that means he's still paying off all his expenses while maintaining a $600 mil asset.

Well, a new GM coming in would have a huge pile of evidence to show Dolan than rebuilding on the fly doesn't work. Let's call that evidence: Isiah's tenure.

Posted by Elite:

If I were 2 start a freekin rally outside of MSG it would be for dolan to SELL the Knicks, not to fire isiah... cuz u fire isiah and as long as dolan is running the show we still suck dick .... I thought knick fans were smart? How about at the next game we hear sell the knicks chants that would make me happy or a sign in the paper for fans

Sell the knicks
Fuck you dolan

Posted by Allanfan20:

These posts have NO value to them, until I hear that one of you goes up to every section at a game, in the garden and encourages people to chant sell the Knicks, at a particular time. Personally, I'm boycotting the Knicks, so maybe you can do it Elite.

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Posted by VDesai:

What can you do about the owner of the team? You want to target Dolan? Get an investor group to put up a couple billion dollars to buy the Garden. That would would be targeting Dolan.

Do you mean to help Dolan make more money?

I got $35 worth of change saved in a jar at home. Who else is in?

I got $168 on it.

Okay we have $35+$168=$75. Okay we have $75, only a billion more to go.

$35.00 + $168.00 = $75.00?!?!? Shady math.

Why don't you just start a pool to have all' New Yorkers put down what they can and let the City of New York buy the team. Have a vote who will be running the team, who will hire a prez, a GM and a coach. Whoever screws up, the city of New York can take a vote and fire them.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by eViL:

Well then, if we accept your idea of what "work" means to Dolan -- why would he fire Isiah? Why would he fire or hire anyone? The Garden will never be empty -- it's right smack in the middle of NYC. It's a relatively small investment for him. He's never going to lose enough money to drive him out, right? Finally, if any corporation would prefer the quick cash -- then who do you think Dolan would to sell to? Do you think the next owner is gonna buy the team without having an eye on profit?

Why would he fire Isiah? Because the team according to all reports isn't making money right now, but it can make a ton of money if it has intelligent rebuilding on the fly and gets back to the level it was at in Isiah's 1st season. Who would Dolan sell to? Probably no one now because he'd rather bring in a ton of money with rebuilding on the fly and keep the team as an asset. On the last question, the issue is not whether the owner is focussed on profits but rather whether their focus is on short-term profits like it would be with any corporation with share-holders to answer to *immediately* or whether their focus is on long-term profits and they are willing to take a step backwards to take bigger steps forward. This latter point requires an owner who actually cares about winning in addition to caring about profits, which I highly doubt is the case for Dolan.

Posted by eViL:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Well we're all just guessing here but it seems that Dolan at least prefers to hire GMs who will rebuild on the fly and may even *require* them to rebuild on the fly. So I don't think we'll ever get to the point where Dolan will hire a GM who has the thought processes you just mentioned. Now why does Dolan prefer a GM who does quick rebuilding on the fly, which started at least with the McDyess and maybe even the Rice trade? I think he's not willing to have several years of huge revenue losses just to rebuild the Knicks. Even if the Knicks just roughly break even every year, that means he's still paying off all his expenses while maintaining a $600 mil asset.

Well, a new GM coming in would have a huge pile of evidence to show Dolan than rebuilding on the fly doesn't work. Let's call that evidence: Isiah's tenure.

April 27, 2004: ISIAH THOMAS: ”But I didn’t think it was a good message to send to our fans to say: ‘You know, we haven’t made the playoffs in two years. We’re going to get rid of all the salary and go young, and, you know, by the way, the next three years we aren’t going to make the playoffs because we’re going to be young and rebuilding.”’ - after the Knicks were swept in the playoffs by the Nets.