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12/20/2007  3:51 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I would be Larry Browning Curry, trying to get him out of town for a veteran proven winner PG(even if he's 80 years old), a defender and a pick(if that was at all possible)

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12/20/2007  3:57 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Cosmic:

I swear....just trade Curry for Kwame's expiring and be done with it. Try to get a pick if you can but just fix this disaster before there's no hope there.

If it improves us, wonderful, if it doesn't, it's a good start to tearing it down.

Also, send Marbury home permanently and work on a buy out.

I proposed a trade of Curry for Kwame/Farmar and a top10 protected pick from LA about a week ago. I think it would be a good move.

Dude, they aren't trading Farmar for Kidd. There is no way the Knicks are going to get all that for Eddy Curry. The truth is the Knicks would be lucky to get an expiring for Curry, given his contract and halved-assed nature.

I disagree Supreme. If you want to say that we aren't getting Farmar for Curry that's fine, he's a fine young PG. I don't think Curry's value is as low as you do though. I am one of Curry's biggest doubters but the fact is a guy his height and can score like he does will always have value around the league.

You and me seem to be lone voices on this one. I can stand watching Curry play and if I was coach I would want him gone in a minute. But we all know there is some coach out there who thinks they can change him. I'm sure there are GM's that think he's a small market guy being swallowed by the pressures of the big city. He's only 25 years old, there is a market out there for him. You aren't getting a star for the guy, but I think you can get a couple helpful players.
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12/20/2007  4:08 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Cosmic:

I swear....just trade Curry for Kwame's expiring and be done with it. Try to get a pick if you can but just fix this disaster before there's no hope there.

If it improves us, wonderful, if it doesn't, it's a good start to tearing it down.

Also, send Marbury home permanently and work on a buy out.

I proposed a trade of Curry for Kwame/Farmar and a top10 protected pick from LA about a week ago. I think it would be a good move.

Dude, they aren't trading Farmar for Kidd. There is no way the Knicks are going to get all that for Eddy Curry. The truth is the Knicks would be lucky to get an expiring for Curry, given his contract and halved-assed nature.

I disagree Supreme. If you want to say that we aren't getting Farmar for Curry that's fine, he's a fine young PG. I don't think Curry's value is as low as you do though. I am one of Curry's biggest doubters but the fact is a guy his height and can score like he does will always have value around the league.

You and me seem to be lone voices on this one. I can stand watching Curry play and if I was coach I would want him gone in a minute. But we all know there is some coach out there who thinks they can change him. I'm sure there are GM's that think he's a small market guy being swallowed by the pressures of the big city. He's only 25 years old, there is a market out there for him. You aren't getting a star for the guy, but I think you can get a couple helpful players.

Yeah I definitely agree Bip. I'm not saying we can go out and get Brandon Roy for Curry, but he certainly has value around the league. I think Eddy would excel in a city like Sacramento or Charlotte, anywhere where there's not going to be constant media and fan attention on his weight and his low rebounding numbers.

What do you think? Was I asking for too much with the Kwane, Farmar, protect Top10 pick trade? Ok maybe the pick is going to far, but I think Curry can net you that kind of deal.
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12/20/2007  4:10 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Cosmic:

I swear....just trade Curry for Kwame's expiring and be done with it. Try to get a pick if you can but just fix this disaster before there's no hope there.

If it improves us, wonderful, if it doesn't, it's a good start to tearing it down.

Also, send Marbury home permanently and work on a buy out.

I proposed a trade of Curry for Kwame/Farmar and a top10 protected pick from LA about a week ago. I think it would be a good move.

Dude, they aren't trading Farmar for Kidd. There is no way the Knicks are going to get all that for Eddy Curry. The truth is the Knicks would be lucky to get an expiring for Curry, given his contract and halved-assed nature.

I disagree Supreme. If you want to say that we aren't getting Farmar for Curry that's fine, he's a fine young PG. I don't think Curry's value is as low as you do though. I am one of Curry's biggest doubters but the fact is a guy his height and can score like he does will always have value around the league.

You and me seem to be lone voices on this one. I can stand watching Curry play and if I was coach I would want him gone in a minute. But we all know there is some coach out there who thinks they can change him. I'm sure there are GM's that think he's a small market guy being swallowed by the pressures of the big city. He's only 25 years old, there is a market out there for him. You aren't getting a star for the guy, but I think you can get a couple helpful players.
GMs and coaches other than Isiah? Maybe they think there's a chance they can change the 7 year veteran, but good luck convincing their teams' owners that it's worth the $40 mil gamble left on his contract.
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12/20/2007  5:18 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Cosmic:

I swear....just trade Curry for Kwame's expiring and be done with it. Try to get a pick if you can but just fix this disaster before there's no hope there.

If it improves us, wonderful, if it doesn't, it's a good start to tearing it down.

Also, send Marbury home permanently and work on a buy out.

I proposed a trade of Curry for Kwame/Farmar and a top10 protected pick from LA about a week ago. I think it would be a good move.

Dude, they aren't trading Farmar for Kidd. There is no way the Knicks are going to get all that for Eddy Curry. The truth is the Knicks would be lucky to get an expiring for Curry, given his contract and halved-assed nature.

I disagree Supreme. If you want to say that we aren't getting Farmar for Curry that's fine, he's a fine young PG. I don't think Curry's value is as low as you do though. I am one of Curry's biggest doubters but the fact is a guy his height and can score like he does will always have value around the league.

You and me seem to be lone voices on this one. I can stand watching Curry play and if I was coach I would want him gone in a minute. But we all know there is some coach out there who thinks they can change him. I'm sure there are GM's that think he's a small market guy being swallowed by the pressures of the big city. He's only 25 years old, there is a market out there for him. You aren't getting a star for the guy, but I think you can get a couple helpful players.
GMs and coaches other than Isiah? Maybe they think there's a chance they can change the 7 year veteran, but good luck convincing their teams' owners that it's worth the $40 mil gamble left on his contract.

No... Isiah is THE ONE AND ONLY...
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12/20/2007  5:57 PM

Yeah I definitely agree Bip. I'm not saying we can go out and get Brandon Roy for Curry, but he certainly has value around the league. I think Eddy would excel in a city like Sacramento or Charlotte, anywhere where there's not going to be constant media and fan attention on his weight and his low rebounding numbers.
What do you think? Was I asking for too much with the Kwane, Farmar, protect Top10 pick trade? Ok maybe the pick is going to far, but I think Curry can net you that kind of deal.

are the people of sacramento & charlotte blind, obese or overly accepting of pathetic efforts?

I agree that curry has value and would do better is a small market. and if that team did not trade a lot to get him, I could see fans not ripping him like we do here.

would anyone mind curry if he had been a max mle signing?
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12/20/2007  6:16 PM
Posted by franco12:

Yeah I definitely agree Bip. I'm not saying we can go out and get Brandon Roy for Curry, but he certainly has value around the league. I think Eddy would excel in a city like Sacramento or Charlotte, anywhere where there's not going to be constant media and fan attention on his weight and his low rebounding numbers.
What do you think? Was I asking for too much with the Kwane, Farmar, protect Top10 pick trade? Ok maybe the pick is going to far, but I think Curry can net you that kind of deal.

are the people of sacramento & charlotte blind, obese or overly accepting of pathetic efforts?

I agree that curry has value and would do better is a small market. and if that team did not trade a lot to get him, I could see fans not ripping him like we do here.

would anyone mind curry if he had been a max mle signing?

Of course not, no one is arguing that point. Curry's value is what it is, but don't for a second think that he has no value around the NBA.
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12/20/2007  7:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Cosmic:

I swear....just trade Curry for Kwame's expiring and be done with it. Try to get a pick if you can but just fix this disaster before there's no hope there.

If it improves us, wonderful, if it doesn't, it's a good start to tearing it down.

Also, send Marbury home permanently and work on a buy out.

I proposed a trade of Curry for Kwame/Farmar and a top10 protected pick from LA about a week ago. I think it would be a good move.

Dude, they aren't trading Farmar for Kidd. There is no way the Knicks are going to get all that for Eddy Curry. The truth is the Knicks would be lucky to get an expiring for Curry, given his contract and halved-assed nature.

I disagree Supreme. If you want to say that we aren't getting Farmar for Curry that's fine, he's a fine young PG. I don't think Curry's value is as low as you do though. I am one of Curry's biggest doubters but the fact is a guy his height and can score like he does will always have value around the league.

You and me seem to be lone voices on this one. I can stand watching Curry play and if I was coach I would want him gone in a minute. But we all know there is some coach out there who thinks they can change him. I'm sure there are GM's that think he's a small market guy being swallowed by the pressures of the big city. He's only 25 years old, there is a market out there for him. You aren't getting a star for the guy, but I think you can get a couple helpful players.

Yeah I definitely agree Bip. I'm not saying we can go out and get Brandon Roy for Curry, but he certainly has value around the league. I think Eddy would excel in a city like Sacramento or Charlotte, anywhere where there's not going to be constant media and fan attention on his weight and his low rebounding numbers.

What do you think? Was I asking for too much with the Kwane, Farmar, protect Top10 pick trade? Ok maybe the pick is going to far, but I think Curry can net you that kind of deal.

The Lakers already have Bynum. They like Farmar and didn't want to package him for Kidd. Kwame expires and has some value. Picks always have value.

If you think that the Lakers would give all that up for Eddy Curry and his miserable season and disappointing career, you guys aren't thinking clearly. They guy has a ton of money coming his way and hasn't accomplished anything in the league yet. The Knicks might be able to swap Sam Dalemebrt for Curry, but expirings, first rounders, and a legit PG are not within the realm of possible trade scenarios.
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12/20/2007  8:18 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:


The Lakers already have Bynum. They like Farmar and didn't want to package him for Kidd. Kwame expires and has some value. Picks always have value.

If you think that the Lakers would give all that up for Eddy Curry and his miserable season and disappointing career, you guys aren't thinking clearly. They guy has a ton of money coming his way and hasn't accomplished anything in the league yet. The Knicks might be able to swap Sam Dalemebrt for Curry, but expirings, first rounders, and a legit PG are not within the realm of possible trade scenarios.

Dude, I think you are arguing the wrong point. Fine if you don't like the trade that I proposed, the main argument in this whole thread is whether or not Curry has trade value around the league, which he does. And that's factorial.
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12/20/2007  8:41 PM
You keep saying he has trade value as if it's a fact but you haven't given any examples of teams that might give up an expiring contract and 1st round pick for him (other than the Lakers one, which I can't see them as Supreme indicated). I can't imagine it happening unless Isiah and/or Dolan go to another team. Or let's put it this way, pretend you're the GM of each team. Would *you* spend $40 mil on Curry? How do you justify that gamble to your team's owner? How do you justify it if Curry continues to be the same player he's been all seven years of his career and your owner loses $40 mil? You can't justify it and it's costly enough (in any organization other than the Knicks) for you to get fired.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-20-2007 8:44 PM]
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12/20/2007  9:04 PM
Curry has value, it just depends on what Isiah expects to get back in return whether a deal will get done or not... i think he's holding out for a star calibre player, & that's just not gonna happen unless we're trading for Ron Artest... i make that trade in heartbeat at this point, both to unload Curry's contract & to balance out the roster a little.

i suggested Curry for Kwame & Crittendon or their protected pick a long time ago... i can't believe the Lakers would refuse a deal like that.

u can also try Curry for Haywood, Songaila & a 2nd rounder from WAS... we'd get a shotblocker, unload a little salary & get a couple serviceable minor role players out of it as well... WAS would get a low post scorer to play w/Arenas & Jamison... Etan can do the dirty work & watch Curry's back.
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12/20/2007  9:43 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You keep saying he has trade value as if it's a fact but you haven't given any examples of teams that might give up an expiring contract and 1st round pick for him (other than the Lakers one, which I can't see them as Supreme indicated). I can't imagine it happening unless Isiah and/or Dolan go to another team. Or let's put it this way, pretend you're the GM of each team. Would *you* spend $40 mil on Curry? How do you justify that gamble to your team's owner? How do you justify it if Curry continues to be the same player he's been all seven years of his career and your owner loses $40 mil? You can't justify it and it's costly enough (in any organization other than the Knicks) for you to get fired.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-20-2007 8:44 PM]

40 million is nothing in the NBA today. A team that is in contention that needs an inside scoring prescence and already have a defensive player at PF would gladly take a player like Eddy Curry. You don't think the Nets would trade Antoine Wright, Marcus Williams and a pick for Curry right now? You throw him in their starting lineup next to Sean Williams and Josh Boone and you got something.

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12/20/2007  11:35 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:

You keep saying he has trade value as if it's a fact but you haven't given any examples of teams that might give up an expiring contract and 1st round pick for him (other than the Lakers one, which I can't see them as Supreme indicated). I can't imagine it happening unless Isiah and/or Dolan go to another team. Or let's put it this way, pretend you're the GM of each team. Would *you* spend $40 mil on Curry? How do you justify that gamble to your team's owner? How do you justify it if Curry continues to be the same player he's been all seven years of his career and your owner loses $40 mil? You can't justify it and it's costly enough (in any organization other than the Knicks) for you to get fired.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-20-2007 8:44 PM]

40 million is nothing in the NBA today. A team that is in contention that needs an inside scoring prescence and already have a defensive player at PF would gladly take a player like Eddy Curry. You don't think the Nets would trade Antoine Wright, Marcus Williams and a pick for Curry right now? You throw him in their starting lineup next to Sean Williams and Josh Boone and you got something.
Throw him in that lineup and you've got something--something *bad*. No, I don't think the Nets would do that, but we're just speculating. I'd say the same reasons we want to get rid of him are the reasons that other GMs will stay away from him. Maybe last year Eddy had some trade value.
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12/20/2007  11:54 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by SupremeCommander:


The Lakers already have Bynum. They like Farmar and didn't want to package him for Kidd. Kwame expires and has some value. Picks always have value.

If you think that the Lakers would give all that up for Eddy Curry and his miserable season and disappointing career, you guys aren't thinking clearly. They guy has a ton of money coming his way and hasn't accomplished anything in the league yet. The Knicks might be able to swap Sam Dalemebrt for Curry, but expirings, first rounders, and a legit PG are not within the realm of possible trade scenarios.

Dude, I think you are arguing the wrong point. Fine if you don't like the trade that I proposed, the main argument in this whole thread is whether or not Curry has trade value around the league, which he does. And that's factorial.

Fine. I don't think Curry has nearly as much trade value as you do though. He's owed $40 million over four years. I know he's a center and centers are apparently supposed to be overpaid, but really? Curry hasn't lived up to a single expectation and looks like he could be in a Richard Simmons exercise video (as one of the fatties).

If you're the other team, what do you give up to get a player like that at $40 million? An expiring would be as high as I'd go for Eddy Curry. I mean, did you see what Allen Iverson got traded for? I'm not expecting Curry to fetch more than AI, which is essentially how the original deal had Curry's value pegged at.
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12/21/2007  12:13 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:


Throw him in that lineup and you've got something--something *bad*. No, I don't think the Nets would do that, but we're just speculating. I'd say the same reasons we want to get rid of him are the reasons that other GMs will stay away from him. Maybe last year Eddy had some trade value.

No, I think there are totally different reasons on why we'd get rid of him vs other GMs wanting him. We'd be getting rid of him because we can't build around him, other GMs will get him because he fits a piece of the puzzle.

Why did Eddy have some value last year? Do you think every GM is stupid and thinks he's regressed? GMs know that he's capable of scoring in bunches when fed the ball in the post. They also know that Zach has killed his offensive game because 1. he doesn't get the ball and 2. theres no room for him to work in the post. GMs know this and if Zach wasn't here Eddy would be averaging the same numbers he was last year or better(because he was getting the ball.)

I mean really, lets be fair here.
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12/21/2007  2:57 AM
Eddy had a lot more trade value before that Zach trade ever happened... now that's he looks lost again thanks to Isiah's stroke of brilliance, we are going to have to get pennies on the dollar when it comes to him in a trade... still, i have to believe an expiring & a late 1st round pick is very reasonable to ask for in return from any team looking to add some low post offense.
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12/21/2007  2:39 PM
curry and zbo should be starting
but morris and lee should be getting more min
no one outside of jc should be playing more than
32 min
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Posted by Siar617:

curry and zbo should be starting
why?
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