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12/16/2007  12:05 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

If Isiah were managing in any place other than NY he would have been fired a season or two ago.

I doubt he'll even be taken serious any place else again.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/16/2007  12:11 PM
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“I’ve got to always believe that I can be better than what I am,” he said. “And that goes for the defensive end of the ball, too. I’m athletic enough to impact the game at both sides. It’s just a matter of going out and getting it done.”


The 50 greatest NBA'ers of all time had it down in they're first years and on until their best years were finished. I mean just how stupid are we? There are New Yorkers who come here and it's an insult to think we're so lame that we don't understand that he simply sucks' and will never mature into this great potential we've heard so much about? If they were to pick the next 50 greatest in a couple of years, you can bet the bank' that he won't be anywhere near that list! This just pissed me off to no end. Don't hold back in screaming 'FIRE ISIAH' anymore!!!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/17/2007  10:05 AM
Come on....Curry doesn't have any defensive potential. Potential would be if there was evidence that he even knew what rebounding a playing defensive was. If he was actually doing it and didn't quite get it. Like he miss-times he's rebounds or offensive put backs. Or maybe he's a step slow in switches or providing weak-side help, etc., etc. He has made ZERO attempts (consistently) in any of these areas. No effort and not passion. Sorry that doesn't not constitute potential to me.

Curry is the player that he is going to be period. Defending is nothing more than effort. Don't get me wrong it takes skill to a lot of things i mentioned but EFFORT is the biggest ingredient. Curry doesn't possess it. He's a little like Derrick Coleman was. Coleman had so much TALENT but a very poor work ethic. He didn't have any respect for the game or his talent. Curry is similar in that he has the framework (his body size) to be a defender but he lacks the effort, maybe even understanding of how to get it done.

Everyone knew his limitations in Chicago why Isiah traded for him and not bring in someone IMMEDIATELY to work on his shortcomings is asinine. Or if not, now that you are getting a offensive center and IMMEDIATELY look to make up for his weaknesses. Come on, how do we as fans see the writing on the wall and a guy who gets paid big bucks doesn't?

Also, Dolan has to be the most un-educated (in basketball) owner I've ever seen. But also someone who doesn't care. Even if you come into a situation where you know crap about basketball if you had a passion for the game, you would become a student and learn as much as you could (Marc Cuban). Dolan to allow the trades and scenarios that have plagued the Knicks for the last 8yrs or so obviously could give 2cents about this franchise. Our only hope is that he brings in someone (after Isiah) that despite Dolan's ignorance about the game, will care enough and be savvy enough to restore this pitiful franchise.
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12/17/2007  10:11 AM
Posted by holfresh:


Therfe was a game earlier this year where Curry made a key defensive stop blocking a shot and grabbed two big rebounds...The Knicks won and after the game they interviewed Curry about his heroics on the defensive end..He was upset that people was making a big deal about it...he really seemed upset when reporters asked him if this is a new Curry on the defensive end...the kid doesn't want to play D or rebound...


man that annoyed me about the beginning of the season. before he hit this slump, watching the games it seemed like he was working harder at getting blocks and rebounds. but then i checked his numbers and they were below his career averages in both categories.
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12/17/2007  10:29 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

If Curry isn't being fed the ball 15-20 times a game, what does he provide? Why couldn't the coach see that until now? Too much optimism? Blind support?

TO me this is the problem. Curry's biggest asset is his offense and it is the coach and Perimeter players job to make sure that he is fed well and often. Yeah Zach needs touches, but the guy rebounds so well that you almost don't have to go out of your way to call his number. Curry tho, is a different story. If you have a one dimensional player then you have to make sure that he's able to provide that dimension. It's about focus. We have had our guards go into a mental funk and resort to simply standing around and trying to make telegraphed passes to Curry. No team is just going to alow that. SO what do you do? You do what we did in the Nets game and many of the wins. You move the ball and force the D to move and then you feed the post. You make cuts and penetrate to draw defenders attention so they can't focus on the post. It's not rocket science and this is what I was expecting from day one, but for some reason we lost that along the way. As a coach you have to be able to recognize that and correct it right away. Isiah was slow to address it and so we kept losing.

The Europeans have shown that by playing fundamental ball any team can compete, and if you have talent that should be enough to make you a winner. We have failed to do these things. There are 2 arguments going on here. One is whether this team is able to play winning ball as constructed and One is whether this team is on the right path to contention. I don't think at this time that the contention argument is worth getting into right now. We need to get this team to the point where it can win games. Then address the overall issue of how to make it a contender. We weren't expecting contention this year anyway. Only the losing has made this a big issue at this point. You don't jump from big losing to contention without a KG and Allen type of addition.
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12/17/2007  12:05 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:

If Curry isn't being fed the ball 15-20 times a game, what does he provide? Why couldn't the coach see that until now? Too much optimism? Blind support?

TO me this is the problem. Curry's biggest asset is his offense and it is the coach and Perimeter players job to make sure that he is fed well and often. Yeah Zach needs touches, but the guy rebounds so well that you almost don't have to go out of your way to call his number. Curry tho, is a different story. If you have a one dimensional player then you have to make sure that he's able to provide that dimension. It's about focus. We have had our guards go into a mental funk and resort to simply standing around and trying to make telegraphed passes to Curry. No team is just going to alow that. SO what do you do? You do what we did in the Nets game and many of the wins. You move the ball and force the D to move and then you feed the post. You make cuts and penetrate to draw defenders attention so they can't focus on the post. It's not rocket science and this is what I was expecting from day one, but for some reason we lost that along the way. As a coach you have to be able to recognize that and correct it right away. Isiah was slow to address it and so we kept losing.

The Europeans have shown that by playing fundamental ball any team can compete, and if you have talent that should be enough to make you a winner. We have failed to do these things. There are 2 arguments going on here. One is whether this team is able to play winning ball as constructed and One is whether this team is on the right path to contention. I don't think at this time that the contention argument is worth getting into right now. We need to get this team to the point where it can win games. Then address the overall issue of how to make it a contender. We weren't expecting contention this year anyway. Only the losing has made this a big issue at this point. You don't jump from big losing to contention without a KG and Allen type of addition.



I don't understand the logic of Bip and your reasoning. You want ball movement yet a power game and are suggesting giving Curry the ball 15-20/gm? That's would be a major setback not to mention you end up turning Zach into Channing Frye. Here's what we know giving Curry the ball that many times/gm will result in increased team turnovers, less ball movement, out of sync offense. On the yr so far....


Zach has 42ast(Black Hole)
Curry has 13ast(Black Hole X 10000)


That right there is all we need to know that giving Curry the ball 15-20/gm would be one of the dumbest ideas to boot. Our team ....as poorly constructed as it is.... needs players to be less selfish, move the ball/pass, and play with effort every night. It's really simple. We don't need to cater to any one player on this team, no matter how good they are at 1 thing.


I mean Bruce Bowen and Brent Barry are both shooting close to 50% from downtown should the Spurs look to give them more touches? They both only shoot 5x's/gm, maybe they both should receive close to 8fga's/gm.


Curry and his apologizing fans to needs to shut up!



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-17-2007 11:11 AM]
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12/17/2007  12:58 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

If Curry isn't being fed the ball 15-20 times a game, what does he provide? Why couldn't the coach see that until now? Too much optimism? Blind support?

I just found that funny.

I think he's been fed enough.
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12/17/2007  1:08 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:

If Curry isn't being fed the ball 15-20 times a game, what does he provide? Why couldn't the coach see that until now? Too much optimism? Blind support?

TO me this is the problem. Curry's biggest asset is his offense and it is the coach and Perimeter players job to make sure that he is fed well and often. Yeah Zach needs touches, but the guy rebounds so well that you almost don't have to go out of your way to call his number. Curry tho, is a different story. If you have a one dimensional player then you have to make sure that he's able to provide that dimension. It's about focus. We have had our guards go into a mental funk and resort to simply standing around and trying to make telegraphed passes to Curry. No team is just going to alow that. SO what do you do? You do what we did in the Nets game and many of the wins. You move the ball and force the D to move and then you feed the post. You make cuts and penetrate to draw defenders attention so they can't focus on the post. It's not rocket science and this is what I was expecting from day one, but for some reason we lost that along the way. As a coach you have to be able to recognize that and correct it right away. Isiah was slow to address it and so we kept losing.

The Europeans have shown that by playing fundamental ball any team can compete, and if you have talent that should be enough to make you a winner. We have failed to do these things. There are 2 arguments going on here. One is whether this team is able to play winning ball as constructed and One is whether this team is on the right path to contention. I don't think at this time that the contention argument is worth getting into right now. We need to get this team to the point where it can win games. Then address the overall issue of how to make it a contender. We weren't expecting contention this year anyway. Only the losing has made this a big issue at this point. You don't jump from big losing to contention without a KG and Allen type of addition.



I don't understand the logic of Bip and your reasoning. You want ball movement yet a power game and are suggesting giving Curry the ball 15-20/gm? That's would be a major setback not to mention you end up turning Zach into Channing Frye. Here's what we know giving Curry the ball that many times/gm will result in increased team turnovers, less ball movement, out of sync offense. On the yr so far....


Zach has 42ast(Black Hole)
Curry has 13ast(Black Hole X 10000)


That right there is all we need to know that giving Curry the ball 15-20/gm would be one of the dumbest ideas to boot. Our team ....as poorly constructed as it is.... needs players to be less selfish, move the ball/pass, and play with effort every night. It's really simple. We don't need to cater to any one player on this team, no matter how good they are at 1 thing.


I mean Bruce Bowen and Brent Barry are both shooting close to 50% from downtown should the Spurs look to give them more touches? They both only shoot 5x's/gm, maybe they both should receive close to 8fga's/gm.


Curry and his apologizing fans to needs to shut up!



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-17-2007 11:11 AM]

TrueBlue once again you miss the point of what I say. We know for a fact that if Curry isn't being fed the ball 15-20 times a game he is not a factor. this isn't a wish list of mine. It isn't what I want the Knicks to do. It's a simple reality. He will not produce anything for you unless he gets the ball regularly. We knew this years ago. So that is why I NEVER WOULD HAVE TRADED FOR HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The truth is Isiah thought he would become an all world player and didn't pay attention to the fact that he needs the ball to b coaxed into trying. I don't know why Isiah couldn't see this. I don't know why Isiah traded for a player like this. Where is the excuse for Eddie?

You are such an utter over-reactor to any post that isn't an out and out bash.

Now, back to my point. Eddie does not produce unless he is given the ball. So I suggested we do what Detroit did with James Edwards back in the day. Get him the ball at the start of the game and then when he returns from breaks to try to get him mentally involved in the game. WE can do that, or we can just ignore him and never get him the ball. Either way, it doesn't amtter to me. WE are a mediocre team with a million holes. All these "solutions" are just "solutions" to help us win 2 or 3 more games this year. Yeeeesh.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 17-12-2007 1:11 PM]
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12/17/2007  1:46 PM
Force feeding Curry is a mistake. It led us to 33 wins last year. If he has to be force fed the ball to be interested in the game then we're never going to have success with him.

Besides, not only weren't we all that good force feeding him there were many nights where doing so resulted in 8 turnovers. 4 by himself and up to 4 combined by the guards trying to get him the ball and having their passes picked before they ever reached Curry.

It was a stupid plan then and it'd be a stupid plan now. To top it off he's really showing us how gutless and heartless he is as a player. He does not enjoy basketball. He's clearly as much as 50 pounds over weight. He is a disaster.

Force feeding him 20 times a game will do nothing but create more turnovers and have Zach whining about his touches.
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12/17/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Now, back to my point. Eddie does not produce unless he is given the ball. So I suggested we do what Detroit did with James Edwards back in the day. Get him the ball at the start of the game and then when he returns from breaks to try to get him mentally involved in the game. WE can do that, or we can just ignore him and never get him the ball. Either way, it doesn't amtter to me. WE are a mediocre team with a million holes. All these "solutions" are just "solutions" to help us win 2 or 3 more games this year. Yeeeesh.

What's scary is if James Edwards was their "franchise player" you'd have a team with as good a chance of success as ours.

Eddy is our Edwards, and he's our "franchise" guy!

It's bad. It's really, really bad.
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12/17/2007  2:42 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:

Now, back to my point. Eddie does not produce unless he is given the ball. So I suggested we do what Detroit did with James Edwards back in the day. Get him the ball at the start of the game and then when he returns from breaks to try to get him mentally involved in the game. WE can do that, or we can just ignore him and never get him the ball. Either way, it doesn't amtter to me. WE are a mediocre team with a million holes. All these "solutions" are just "solutions" to help us win 2 or 3 more games this year. Yeeeesh.

What's scary is if James Edwards was their "franchise player" you'd have a team with as good a chance of success as ours.

Eddy is our Edwards, and he's our "franchise" guy!

It's bad. It's really, really bad.

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