Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:


The answer is always rush to trade a player for another...That isn't always the answer...If anyone should understand this, is a Knick fan...

We need to balance out the roster man. Theres just no reason to have 2 players so similar starting in your frontcourt when you can trade one of them for another position you need. This is what we need to do.

Zach is 6' 7" and cannot play center...David Lee is taller than Zach...

Whats your point?

Zach and Curry fill the same exact role offensively, Lee doesnt fill the same role as those 2, infact he's a completely different player.

Eddy and Zach are both lowpost scorers. Sure Zach can SOMETIMES move out and put up a 16foot jumper but he does most of his work inside. Also both of these guys need the ball offensively, Lee does not. You try and make everythign about David Lee, you think thats your biggest argument. Half the time you make absolutely no sense when you throw his name into discussions and this is certainly one of them. Holfresh if you can't see that Eddy/Zach can't coexist together without one ALWAYS being limited then you're just dreaming.

Why not trade one and fill another position that we need? You can still get something for Eddy Curry at this point and you can't for Randolph, we might as well trade Eddy before Zach kills his value any further.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-11-2007 7:17 PM]

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:


The answer is always rush to trade a player for another...That isn't always the answer...If anyone should understand this, is a Knick fan...

We need to balance out the roster man. Theres just no reason to have 2 players so similar starting in your frontcourt when you can trade one of them for another position you need. This is what we need to do.

Zach is 6' 7" and cannot play center...David Lee is taller than Zach...

Whats your point?

Zach and Curry fill the same exact role offensively, Lee doesnt fill the same role as those 2, infact he's a completely different player.

Eddy and Zach are both lowpost scorers. Sure Zach can SOMETIMES move out and put up a 16foot jumper but he does most of his work inside. Also both of these guys need the ball offensively, Lee does not. You try and make everythign about David Lee, you think thats your biggest argument. Half the time you make absolutely no sense when you throw his name into discussions and this is certainly one of them. Holfresh if you can't see that Eddy/Zach can't coexist together without one ALWAYS being limited then you're just dreaming.

Why not trade one and fill another position that we need? You can still get something for Eddy Curry at this point and you can't for Randolph, we might as well trade Eddy before Zach kills his value any further.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-11-2007 7:17 PM]

My only point in bringing up DLee's name if to say that Zach inst as tall as you think...Sorry I should have choose another 6'9" player to compare him to...

What the hell does height have to do with anything? LOL

Eddy/Zach do the same exact things offensively, thats all that matters really.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:


The answer is always rush to trade a player for another...That isn't always the answer...If anyone should understand this, is a Knick fan...

We need to balance out the roster man. Theres just no reason to have 2 players so similar starting in your frontcourt when you can trade one of them for another position you need. This is what we need to do.

Zach is 6' 7" and cannot play center...David Lee is taller than Zach...

Golden State, Phx, Chicago, Atlanta, Washington run small ball line-ups for long periods very effectively and can't Morris play center A La Biedrins style while we small ball it like GSW?

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:


The answer is always rush to trade a player for another...That isn't always the answer...If anyone should understand this, is a Knick fan...

We need to balance out the roster man. Theres just no reason to have 2 players so similar starting in your frontcourt when you can trade one of them for another position you need. This is what we need to do.

Zach is 6' 7" and cannot play center...David Lee is taller than Zach...

Whats your point?

Zach and Curry fill the same exact role offensively, Lee doesnt fill the same role as those 2, infact he's a completely different player.

Eddy and Zach are both lowpost scorers. Sure Zach can SOMETIMES move out and put up a 16foot jumper but he does most of his work inside. Also both of these guys need the ball offensively, Lee does not. You try and make everythign about David Lee, you think thats your biggest argument. Half the time you make absolutely no sense when you throw his name into discussions and this is certainly one of them. Holfresh if you can't see that Eddy/Zach can't coexist together without one ALWAYS being limited then you're just dreaming.

Why not trade one and fill another position that we need? You can still get something for Eddy Curry at this point and you can't for Randolph, we might as well trade Eddy before Zach kills his value any further.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-11-2007 7:17 PM]

My only point in bringing up DLee's name if to say that Zach inst as tall as you think...Sorry I should have choose another 6'9" player to compare him to...

What the hell does height have to do with anything? LOL

Eddy/Zach do the same exact things offensively, thats all that matters really.

You think Zach can defend Centers in this league????

you think Curry can do better?

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:


The answer is always rush to trade a player for another...That isn't always the answer...If anyone should understand this, is a Knick fan...

We need to balance out the roster man. Theres just no reason to have 2 players so similar starting in your frontcourt when you can trade one of them for another position you need. This is what we need to do.

Zach is 6' 7" and cannot play center...David Lee is taller than Zach...

Golden State, Phx, Chicago, Atlanta, Washington run small ball line-ups for long periods very effectively and can't Morris play center A La Biedrins style while we small ball it like GSW?

None of those team except PHX are considered good or has a legit chance of winning...And thanks for making my point...The reason PHX looses every year is because they cannot defend the low post..You see it every year!!!!

I think you've lost a couple of us Hollie. Do the Knicks have someone that can defend the post? I think every person on this board would say they don't. So what is your point?

Posted by holfresh:


I have no point...If you think it better to have Zach be your center go right ahead...

Holfresh, I don't think its better to have Zach be our center.. not by a long shot, but at some point we have we have to realize that we need to get whatever it is we can get for the guys we have NOW before their value sinks even lower. The Knicks aren't contending this year and we're getting blown out at home by teams like the 76ers, so really how much worse are things going to get if Eddy was traded for a guard and Zach has to play center? This team is going nowhere and it's time to start getting what we can for these guys. Personally, I'd much rather trade Zach and keep Eddy to be our lowpost scorer but the fact of the matter is that Eddy has more value than Zach does at this time and we need to capitalize on something so we can start overhauling this team and bringing the right players in.

Posted by holfresh:


Curry was a dominant offensive center last year...I don't think that has changed in 20 games....Teams are collapsing on him this year as a result of our poor outside shooting...Is that a reason to trade him because we have another low post scorer on the team, I'm not sure...I would prefer to see us get an outside shooter to stretch the defense...

Again, only my opinion, the reason the Knicks are losing isn't because of Zach and Eddy is trying to coexist...

No you are right, it's not the THE reason the Knicks are losing, although I think it's a contributing factor.

If you think that Zach/Eddy will eventually workout that is fine, I don't believe it will, mostly because I believe Zach won't let it work out, but that's just me and my opinion.

Believe me, I would love to trade Zach over Eddy, but Zach has alot more trade-value than Eddy and Eddy's conditioning and defense have worried me for a long time. I believe it's time we cut bait with both guys get some smaller contracts or expirings, but hey that's just me.

Posted by djsunyc:

i think all of us knew, tho some wanted to take a wait and see approach, that it wasn't going to work.

so what do we do now? buddapaw has the right idea, and that's to move one of them.

but the question is...which one?

can we trade curry and find an adequate replacement at that position? or is it easier to find a replacement at the pf spot?

and is the objective to build for a title or just win some games now?

i would keep zach b/c he likes to play basketball. eddy is a guy that needs to be coddled a bit. so trade eddy for the best guard/sf you can get.

and until we find a center, we should sign some stopgaps like the brian skinners of the league.

I cosign this.

Posted by TMS:

oh man, i never get tired of watching that.

Making me very ill there buddy