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Our Offense Is Giving Our Defense A Run For It's Money
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VDesai
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12/11/2007  2:06 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by VDesai:

Everyone knows the Knicks have more problems than just one player. There is no prescription for being succesful in the NBA when you have a player in your starting lineup averaging 30 minutes a game, taking 9 shots per game and not even averaging 1 whole free throw (and he's only making that at 59% clip too!). And no, its not the 6+ missed shots that does us in. It's the fact that you don't need to guard this guy and we're playing 4 on 5 on offense. As much as he rebounds or "hustles" he's a chucker that doesn't need be guarded that's not helping the team just the same. And you don't need Patch Adams over here to diagnose that for you.

[Edited by - vdesai on 12-11-2007 1:42 PM]


We have no other options at this point, Q should be comming off the bench, but we don't have anyone who can outplay a guy who is playing badle.. how sad is that.. but replace Q with a guy who can shoot 45%( and isn't a superstar of course) and the knicks are still a 6-14 team..... that is how big the other holes are...

You take any player not named Jeffries, Rose or Collins, and give them Q's minutes, have them take some of his shots (and distribute some elsewhere) and they will produced significantly better than 32% shooting with one FT a game. You give the majority of those minutes to Balkman, Jones and Lee and you probably at least equal and more likely upgrade Q's defensive and rebounding performance too.



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12/11/2007  2:09 PM
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VDesai
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12/11/2007  2:15 PM
BTW- 45% on Q's 9 shots a game is 8.1 ppg- which is better than what Q gives you even with his 3 point shooting! My number doesn't even include 3's! And this is not adding the fact that anyone who plays 30 mpg should be getting to the line more than 1 time a game and hitting better than a 50% clip.

Simple math tells you another guy could give 10 or 11 ppg easy with the opps that Q gets and guess what 3-4 extra ppg a game would make a clear difference in our record.
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12/11/2007  2:35 PM
It's the same reasoning that gets Malik a pass..because of the great leadership he's assumed to show, none of which is evidenced anywhere.
Posted by VDesai:

Q doesn't get a pass for shooting 30% cause he's giving maximum effort. That kind of maximum effort is not good enough. 30% is crap.

tkf
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12/11/2007  2:43 PM
Posted by VDesai:

BTW- 45% on Q's 9 shots a game is 8.1 ppg- which is better than what Q gives you even with his 3 point shooting! My number doesn't even include 3's! And this is not adding the fact that anyone who plays 30 mpg should be getting to the line more than 1 time a game and hitting better than a 50% clip.

Simple math tells you another guy could give 10 or 11 ppg easy with the opps that Q gets and guess what 3-4 extra ppg a game would make a clear difference in our record.


what simple math won't tell you is that 3 ppg more from our SF spot won't make a clear difference in our record, unless 7-13 as opposed to 6-14 is a clear difference..
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12/11/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by VDesai:

BTW- 45% on Q's 9 shots a game is 8.1 ppg- which is better than what Q gives you even with his 3 point shooting! My number doesn't even include 3's! And this is not adding the fact that anyone who plays 30 mpg should be getting to the line more than 1 time a game and hitting better than a 50% clip.

Simple math tells you another guy could give 10 or 11 ppg easy with the opps that Q gets and guess what 3-4 extra ppg a game would make a clear difference in our record.


what simple math won't tell you is that 3 ppg more from our SF spot won't make a clear difference in our record, unless 7-13 as opposed to 6-14 is a clear difference..


It probably makes a difference in the Clipper Game, the Heat game, the Kings game and maybe the Utah game. Let's say it helps us with 3 out of 4...or fine even 2 out of 4.

That's 8-12 (.400) vs. 6-14 (.300). Apply those winning percentages over the course of a season and its a 33 win season vs. a 25 win season- ok not a lot of wins total, but as I've already said- there are other areas this team needs to obviously improve. Throwing away 8 wins over the course of the year b/c of your crap SF is not a way towards helping that.




[Edited by - vdesai on 12-11-2007 3:31 PM]
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12/11/2007  3:12 PM
Posted by TheGame:
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We added a 23 and 10 player to an offense who's core has been together for 3 years and somehow we got worse. The value of finding players that can adapt and that know how to play is over-rated.

A big part of the problem is Q. Q missing his 3s really hurts because he is often the guy left open and without that threat teams are doubling Curry, who as we know is not the best center in the world at effectively handling double teams. The other problem over the past couple of games has been Randolph missing a bunch of easy shots. He has no lift and on shots that most PF would easily dunk, he tries to flip the ball into the basket and has been off more than expected lately. Not sure what is going on with him but we need him shooting at a higher percentage.

Fred Jones running the point provides more defense, but it also has hurt the offense because he is slow in getting the team into its set and getting the ball in the right hands. Not really his fault b/c he is not a pg, but I think this is another reason our offense cannot seem to score over the past few games.

Bottomline, this team has lost its confidence. There is no way these players should not be able to compete every night. In 8 of the 20 games, we have gotten down by 20 or more points. THat is insane. Kenny Smith mentioned yesterday that no NBA level team should be down that much in so many games. The mental state of this team is poor and until it improves, we are going to continue to see inconsistent play. We really need to find a strong leader to guide this team on the court. Until we can find someone that the other players can really rally behind, this team is going to continue to be a rudderless ship.

I remember musing all summer about why Isiah was not targeting a PG that could distribute the ball and true jumpshooters to spread the floor. Those types of ideas were seen as going against Isiah. They were not well received.
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12/11/2007  3:17 PM
I remember during LB's year and Lenny's year and Chaney's year fans always thought the solution to all our problems was on our bench. I got news for everybody, they aren't.

No matter what line-up we put on the floor there will be holes. Balance the god dam-n roster and this won't be a problem. Until that day every coach that comes here will be playing guessing games every night. Trying to find that magical line-up that will shoot well, pass well, defend well, rebound well and try hard.

So many guys are searching for the problem. Myself and others keep describing the problems yet so many have such a hard time seeing it
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12/11/2007  3:18 PM
I'll let stats speak about how I feel for this offense/defense thought.



At 6-14 we'd have to now go 35-27 (.565) to break even.


We're also...

24th in scoring
24th in points allowed
28th in FG%
30th in FG% allowed
29th in shooting efficiency
29th in assists per game
22nd in assists allowed
28th in free throw%
20th in rebounding
13th in rebounds allowed
17th in rebounding differential
30th in blocked shots
29th in blocks allowed
22nd in steals per game
20th in steals allowed
23rd in turnovers
29th in forcing turnovers
27th in turnover diff
29th in turnover/assist
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12/11/2007  3:20 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

I'll let stats speak about how I feel for this offense/defense thought.



At 6-14 we'd have to now go 35-27 (.565) to break even.


We're also...

24th in scoring
24th in points allowed
28th in FG%
30th in FG% allowed
29th in shooting efficiency
29th in assists per game
22nd in assists allowed
28th in free throw%
20th in rebounding
13th in rebounds allowed
17th in rebounding differential
30th in blocked shots
29th in blocks allowed
22nd in steals per game
20th in steals allowed
23rd in turnovers
29th in forcing turnovers
27th in turnover diff
29th in turnover/assist

geez... and some say, all we need to do is bench Q, and problem solved.. LOL........
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12/11/2007  3:23 PM
When you cut your too most effective players minutes in half and don't give them time to glue this mess together your not going to score.

Jones should be playing over guy at the three right now or even at the two with balkman at the three. Curry should not be starting, etc they don't maximize there stregthns at all they need to run, they need to press they need to attack.
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12/11/2007  3:47 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

I'll let stats speak about how I feel for this offense/defense thought.



At 6-14 we'd have to now go 35-27 (.565) to break even.


We're also...

24th in scoring
24th in points allowed
28th in FG%
30th in FG% allowed
29th in shooting efficiency
29th in assists per game
22nd in assists allowed
28th in free throw%
20th in rebounding
13th in rebounds allowed
17th in rebounding differential
30th in blocked shots
29th in blocks allowed
22nd in steals per game
20th in steals allowed
23rd in turnovers
29th in forcing turnovers
27th in turnover diff
29th in turnover/assist

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

weird, those numbers didn't get any worse after i did that.
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12/11/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by Cosmic:

I'll let stats speak about how I feel for this offense/defense thought.



At 6-14 we'd have to now go 35-27 (.565) to break even.


We're also...

24th in scoring
24th in points allowed
28th in FG%
30th in FG% allowed
29th in shooting efficiency
29th in assists per game
22nd in assists allowed
28th in free throw%
20th in rebounding
13th in rebounds allowed
17th in rebounding differential
30th in blocked shots
29th in blocks allowed
22nd in steals per game
20th in steals allowed
23rd in turnovers
29th in forcing turnovers
27th in turnover diff
29th in turnover/assist

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

weird, those numbers didn't get any worse after i did that.


Appropriately titled thread judging the Statistical Data. Good Grief is our Offense TERRENDOUS!
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Our Offense Is Giving Our Defense A Run For It's Money

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