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playa2
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6/17/2003  12:08 PM
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For the love of christs and everything sacred, I don't understand why I keep hearing trade the pick for Ricky Davis.. What in the hell do we need Ricky Davis for? and why do we want to add another SG to the mix, when we can't get rid of the ones we have now!!!

Please stop with the trades for Ricky Davis..please...

I don't think they understand the fact that R.Davis is a SG and that we already have 3 of them including the almighty himself, HOUSTON.
Some Knick fans are just as dumb as the people running the franchise

And their reasoning is that Ricky Davis is a better Rebounder... Like his 1 rebound more per game is going to put us over the top..(rolling eyes) Some people never get it....
Some peope don't want to see "MEWELL" here anymore did you ever think about that!
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6/17/2003  10:40 PM
playa you are one of the few that wants to get rid of sprewell, That is fine, but tell me how is acquiring Ricky Davis going to accomplish that?

Come on playa, don't be foolish...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/18/2003  6:43 AM
Golden state did, we can too! Somebody wants that boy on their roster. I would take Davis over spree in a heart beat. What people don't see is guys like Davis needs to be around vets who set a standard that he can grow into, that is what NY has vets who set a standard. To bad spree isn't one who sets good standards.
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6/18/2003  11:13 AM
Posted by playa2:

Golden state did, we can too! Somebody wants that boy on their roster. I would take Davis over spree in a heart beat. What people don't see is guys like Davis needs to be around vets who set a standard that he can grow into, that is what NY has vets who set a standard. To bad spree isn't one who sets good standards.

PLAYA, while playing with davis, both darius miles and to some extent, Wagner re-gressed. Davis looked out for His own numbers, he didn't make the cavs any better, not one bit, yet you critcize spree, who plays out of position, took a back seat to a player in Houston in which spree is probably better than, and made the knicks a better team the day he stepped back on the floor!!! Stop being foolish man, ricky Davis is a nut, he is a good ball player, but WE DO NOT NEED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by - tkf on 06/18/2003 11:15:13]
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6/18/2003  11:26 AM
Kandi has no heart.

Rasheed could be more available than some would think with Blazers looking to improve their image. Wallace is a GREAT player. Period.
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6/18/2003  12:05 PM
DIDN'T YOU JUST READ MY POST? I SAID HE NEEDS TO BE AROUND OTHER VETERAN PLAYERS,wagner and miles are babies who he can boss or rank over, but on a veteran laden team like the knicks he would get put in his place and blossom into a mature ball player and show what kind of player he could truly be. Point is young guys who are immature needs to be on a mature team to get the most out of him, odoms,davis etc... Spree did some foolish stuff when he was younger and was a very selfish player, but when he came to a vetran team like the knicks he smoothed over a (few) ruff edges because other vets wasn't having it. Stop hating RICKY DAVIS just needs discipline.

[Edited by - playa2 on 06/18/2003 12:09:36]
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6/18/2003  1:18 PM
playa, Ricky Davis is a SG, the problem with the knicks is that we lack height, especially at the SF spot, Ricky Davis is basically the same size as Spree, so I again ask you, why should we get Ricky Davis. He will come here and get less shots, and touches, so he basically will be replacing spree's production. We need a bigger player to give us size at SF.

I repeat myself again.. WE DO NOT NEED RICKY DAVIS!!!
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6/18/2003  1:43 PM
We do not need mewell period, the dude is GATOR BAIT
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6/18/2003  2:12 PM
... you have a way with words... so elequently put, Playa. (rolling eyes, shaking head)
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6/18/2003  2:38 PM
Spree still has trade value that maybe JVG can use as the VET he needs to succeed with the Rockets. And wanting to get YOUNGER, Ricky Davis would be a NICE pickup.....Discipline is always the key with youth.

Spree has made a gallant run in providing some clues why he could not secure the #2 position. A vague recap causes the following recall:

- 98/99. In starting only 4 games during the Asterisk season, Spree is our #2 scorer coming from the BENCH! That year Spree had everybody believing he was the best player in NY. Houston's rim shot advances VG's coaching career. 8th seed wonder, Knick fans are stir crazy.... PE on the bench, "get me my ring". Spree commands starting position for the following season.

- 99/2000. NY enjoys best regular season record with Spree as a starter during Spree's tenure as a Knick to date. But there was no way to deny Knick Killa and crew. NY takes one step back to Indiana.

- 2000/2001. In his second year as a starter, NY's regular season record slips to 48-34, no problem, but Toronto knocks us out by tko in round ONE! Was that the year Chris Childs delivered playoff best against NY? I think VG introduced the BIG BACKCOURT with yours truly....the best NY player. Other notables, Knick players are Softees, and the Pastor Love prayer incident.

- 2001/2002. NY records falls to 30-52. Weasel Rips our flesh and is gone with a quickness. Was Spree made the fall guy?

Let me take off my rose colored glasses, looks like ever since our best player got the starting job NY's record is in reverse. That's why trading Vet experience for youth is a good option that should be considered. If we continue to hold on to Spree, how can the organization foster development of YOUTH while forcing VETs to play out of position INDEFINITLY
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6/18/2003  2:46 PM
Bobby again you put it like nobody else can. Props to the truth syrum you inject to the forum from time to time.
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6/18/2003  4:22 PM
Bobby: You still didn't adress the problem. I have no problem with getting younger, but Ricky davis plays the same position as Houston, and He is not a True SF, so why get him. I could see if we were talking about Odom, but getting Ricky Davis for the 9th pick may I remind you is just dumb!!!!

95% of that post you have is irrelevant....

sorry dukes!
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6/18/2003  8:15 PM
If Spree were to be traded say for a center, PG or whatever, and NY picks up Ricky Davis. Why do you think Ricky Davis can't play SF? because Cleveland rather have him play SG?

That is your major malfunction dukes, looking for a TRUE whatever position for the perfect fit....Too bad KT and Marcus Camby just wasted their energy playing out of position.

You say Davis is a Nut and ODOM is no problem, WHY?.........

And trading Spree is not limited to a few creative thinkers.

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6/18/2003  9:43 PM
Posted by Bobby:

If Spree were to be traded say for a center, PG or whatever, and NY picks up Ricky Davis. Why do you think Ricky Davis can't play SF? because Cleveland rather have him play SG?

That is your major malfunction dukes, looking for a TRUE whatever position for the perfect fit....Too bad KT and Marcus Camby just wasted their energy playing out of position.

You say Davis is a Nut and ODOM is no problem, WHY?.........

And trading Spree is not limited to a few creative thinkers.

You see bobby, this is where you and playa's theory is flawed. First of all Don't you think the knicks tried to trade spree for a center or a PG before, remember as your boy playa put it, there is a salary cap and not only would we not get back equal value for spree but we would have to take on more bad contracts, then we give away the 9th pick in addition and all of this for Ricky Davis... LOL.. come on man..
No way does trading the pick for Davis sensible, and yes right now odom would come cheaper and he is just flat out more talented than Davis and would give the knicks the type of player they really need!

As far as KT and Marcus, they played out of position because they had to, why bring in a player when you don't have to, and make him play out of position? huh? why? Davis is a SG and having him play the SF position still makes us too small at that position, and again may I remind you we would be bringing in a player that plays a position that is occupied by a player making 100mil and we inconvenience ourselves all to the tune of giving up our most popular player and a much needed #9 pick...

Good going fellas!!
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/18/2003  9:54 PM
well put tkf.sorry bob davis is not the answer to knicks needs.so can we kill the davis project.
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6/18/2003  11:47 PM
Posted by NYK8:

well put tkf.sorry bob davis is not the answer to knicks needs.so can we kill the davis project.

haha.. exactly. Time to move on...
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6/19/2003  11:53 AM
TK, fist of all, stop trying to conjure up wisdom visionary theories in supporting your fabricated views....I am my own, and don't you forget it ....seems like every time playa agrees with me, ICE and now you resort to jealousy rebuttals in supporting views based on ridiculous.

Secondly, stop treating New York basketball like some POPULARITY CONTEST.....popular player or not, if a player is no longer willing in bringing their "A Game".....the next step is obvious.

Lastly, how long did it take to trade PE and the dude Boston fails to play.... in getting traded. That candlestick maker was almost a Knick? don't talk about how long it takes for a trade? Try and try again. And when all else fails, don't think the lottery will bail you out.

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6/19/2003  12:09 PM
Posted by NYK8:

well put tkf.sorry bob davis is not the answer to knicks needs.so can we kill the davis project.

You wanna kill the Davis project? It was never a project from the get-go. Although Davis, may hold a piece of the knick puzzle, no one has ever stated trading Davis, is the New York's answer.
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6/19/2003  12:20 PM
If all the big men are taken, I think you have to take Sweetney from G-Town. I've watched alot of G-Town and although many aren't talking about Sweetney, he's a beast. He rebounds, scores inside and does have some post moves. Only draw back is that he's not athletic, wont fly over you and dunk on you. I actually like him better than Kahman. Sweetney's the first PF I'd draft. I DONT WANT Nick Collison(the next Danny Ferry)
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6/19/2003  12:36 PM
Posted by Bobby:

TK, fist of all, stop trying to conjure up wisdom visionary theories in supporting your fabricated views....I am my own, and don't you forget it ....seems like every time playa agrees with me, ICE and now you resort to jealousy rebuttals in supporting views based on ridiculous.

Secondly, stop treating New York basketball like some POPULARITY CONTEST.....popular player or not, if a player is no longer willing in bringing their "A Game".....the next step is obvious.

Lastly, how long did it take to trade PE and the dude Boston fails to play.... in getting traded. That candlestick maker was almost a Knick? don't talk about how long it takes for a trade? Try and try again. And when all else fails, don't think the lottery will bail you out.

Bobby just like playa, you make it easy to hang you, but just look at what you said.. Of course it didn't take long to trade Ewing, and look at the results. Cap hell for years, and that is what we want to avoid with spree!!! Why put your team in another bad situation and give away a lottery pick, just to get another scoring SG!!! these cats come a dime a dozen dukes!!!

Now come on bobby, I am just getting warmed up homie....
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