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which knick player do you think has been the most dissapointing this season (not live up to your expectations)?
steph
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12/9/2007  10:05 PM
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Marbury. He was the prodigal son who returned home to raise the team from the ashes. Either way you slice it, he is still the face of the franchise. It started in the summer with his strange behavior (and his involvment in the Ancha trail) and into the season when he deserted the team then threatened to snitch on Isiah to the media by dishing all the dirt he had on him.

Marbury has been the most disappointing player this season if you combine on and off the court.
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12/9/2007  10:10 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by oohah:

Wow, Lee gets a pass for everything. He starts out slow, well then he must be injured!

He hasn't improved his game since last year on defense and he hasn't improved his shot at all. Near as I can tell he started the season out of shape and he has been playing himself into shape.

Lee is another player on a team that is playing poorly. Other guys have had stretches where they looked good, Randolph, Curry, Marbury, and Crawford. He hasn't been making the difference, just like them. Lee is just as disappointing as the rest of the team -- if he is evaluated with any type of fair eye.

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No he doesn't from the list above he doesn't deserve one single vote compared to the others noted above.

Lee is not disappointment. He is white and zo not suppose to be great in bbal.
Balk became white for the same reason. So he is OK too.
Mardy refused to be white so he is a disappointment...
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12/9/2007  10:13 PM
Eddy wins this hands down - like when he is rebounding.
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12/9/2007  10:14 PM
The entire team is a disappointment and many of the players are deserving of this negative award in some fashion.

* Stephon Marbury - He hasn't been good in two years. He's slightly below expectations, but I honestly expected very little. He's just not a good player anymore. Not even a good selfish player anymore. The fact that he's still our best option at starter shows how poorly this team is constructed -- that's disappointing.
* Jamal Crawford - Garbage chucker. He's sixth man talent at best, and yet starting. My disappointment with him is that he hasn't grown as a player any year. However, I expected as much from him.
* Quentin Richardson - Disappointed that he's joined the idiots on this team and opened his mouth. He's not playing well, but in such a bad environment, I can't kill him for that.
* Zach Randolph - I'm not disappointed with Zach. He's been mostly behaving while he's here and playing at the highest level of anyone on the team, at least on offense. His defense is attrocious, but we knew that before we got him. I'm disappointed in team management for thinking that Zach and Eddy as a combo would work.
* Eddy Curry - He's meeting my expectations. He's not a good player to start with, and his flaws are glaring now that he's playing next to Zach. Huge disappointment with management for not realizing this earlier, or even at all. Eddy's trade value is dying, and that's management's fault.
* David Lee - Little disappointment in the player. He's still playing hard. His FG% could be a little higher. Past that his minutes have been cut, but ratio-wise he's mostly the same. He's been handling the situation quite well.
* Nate Robinson - An absolute baby of babies. Maturity of a two year old. He hasn't grown. He hasn't advanced. He's an undersized guard who doesn't get it. Disappointed in management for thinking any more of Nate than what he is.
* Other - The rest of the team has been an utter embarassment as well.

There are no positives. My biggest disappointment is in Isiah Thomas. He assembled this mess. There's some good pieces which could work in the right environment. Needless to say that this is the wrong environment for every single player on the roster. That's just plain scary.

[Edited by - Solace on Dec 09 2007 10:15 PM]
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12/9/2007  10:23 PM
Posted by Solace:

The entire team is a disappointment and many of the players are deserving of this negative award in some fashion.

* Stephon Marbury - He hasn't been good in two years. He's slightly below expectations, but I honestly expected very little. He's just not a good player anymore. Not even a good selfish player anymore. The fact that he's still our best option at starter shows how poorly this team is constructed -- that's disappointing.
* Jamal Crawford - Garbage chucker. He's sixth man talent at best, and yet starting. My disappointment with him is that he hasn't grown as a player any year. However, I expected as much from him.
* Quentin Richardson - Disappointed that he's joined the idiots on this team and opened his mouth. He's not playing well, but in such a bad environment, I can't kill him for that.
* Zach Randolph - I'm not disappointed with Zach. He's been mostly behaving while he's here and playing at the highest level of anyone on the team, at least on offense. His defense is attrocious, but we knew that before we got him. I'm disappointed in team management for thinking that Zach and Eddy as a combo would work.
* Eddy Curry - He's meeting my expectations. He's not a good player to start with, and his flaws are glaring now that he's playing next to Zach. Huge disappointment with management for not realizing this earlier, or even at all. Eddy's trade value is dying, and that's management's fault.
* David Lee - Little disappointment in the player. He's still playing hard. His FG% could be a little higher. Past that his minutes have been cut, but ratio-wise he's mostly the same. He's been handling the situation quite well.
* Nate Robinson - An absolute baby of babies. Maturity of a two year old. He hasn't grown. He hasn't advanced. He's an undersized guard who doesn't get it. Disappointed in management for thinking any more of Nate than what he is.
* Other - The rest of the team has been an utter embarassment as well.

There are no positives. My biggest disappointment is in Isiah Thomas. He assembled this mess. There's some good pieces which could work in the right environment. Needless to say that this is the wrong environment for every single player on the roster. That's just plain scary.

[Edited by - Solace on Dec 09 2007 10:15 PM]

I agree with almost all of that except I'd say Zach is playing at a very low level on offense, not a high level. He's a black hole on offense. He hits a low % and has a ton of turnovers. At best, he's a streak scorer.
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12/9/2007  10:33 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

The entire team is a disappointment and many of the players are deserving of this negative award in some fashion.

* Stephon Marbury - He hasn't been good in two years. He's slightly below expectations, but I honestly expected very little. He's just not a good player anymore. Not even a good selfish player anymore. The fact that he's still our best option at starter shows how poorly this team is constructed -- that's disappointing.
* Jamal Crawford - Garbage chucker. He's sixth man talent at best, and yet starting. My disappointment with him is that he hasn't grown as a player any year. However, I expected as much from him.
* Quentin Richardson - Disappointed that he's joined the idiots on this team and opened his mouth. He's not playing well, but in such a bad environment, I can't kill him for that.
* Zach Randolph - I'm not disappointed with Zach. He's been mostly behaving while he's here and playing at the highest level of anyone on the team, at least on offense. His defense is attrocious, but we knew that before we got him. I'm disappointed in team management for thinking that Zach and Eddy as a combo would work.
* Eddy Curry - He's meeting my expectations. He's not a good player to start with, and his flaws are glaring now that he's playing next to Zach. Huge disappointment with management for not realizing this earlier, or even at all. Eddy's trade value is dying, and that's management's fault.
* David Lee - Little disappointment in the player. He's still playing hard. His FG% could be a little higher. Past that his minutes have been cut, but ratio-wise he's mostly the same. He's been handling the situation quite well.
* Nate Robinson - An absolute baby of babies. Maturity of a two year old. He hasn't grown. He hasn't advanced. He's an undersized guard who doesn't get it. Disappointed in management for thinking any more of Nate than what he is.
* Other - The rest of the team has been an utter embarassment as well.

There are no positives. My biggest disappointment is in Isiah Thomas. He assembled this mess. There's some good pieces which could work in the right environment. Needless to say that this is the wrong environment for every single player on the roster. That's just plain scary.

[Edited by - Solace on Dec 09 2007 10:15 PM]

I agree with almost all of that except I'd say Zach is playing at a very low level on offense, not a high level. He's a black hole on offense. He hits a low % and has a ton of turnovers. At best, he's a streak scorer.


He has a good point about EY but at the same time we were told he was getting in shape and trying to expand his game. He's a bigger disappointment IMO because he looks like he's regressed and more out of shape than ever.
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12/9/2007  11:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

The entire team is a disappointment and many of the players are deserving of this negative award in some fashion.

* Stephon Marbury - He hasn't been good in two years. He's slightly below expectations, but I honestly expected very little. He's just not a good player anymore. Not even a good selfish player anymore. The fact that he's still our best option at starter shows how poorly this team is constructed -- that's disappointing.
* Jamal Crawford - Garbage chucker. He's sixth man talent at best, and yet starting. My disappointment with him is that he hasn't grown as a player any year. However, I expected as much from him.
* Quentin Richardson - Disappointed that he's joined the idiots on this team and opened his mouth. He's not playing well, but in such a bad environment, I can't kill him for that.
* Zach Randolph - I'm not disappointed with Zach. He's been mostly behaving while he's here and playing at the highest level of anyone on the team, at least on offense. His defense is attrocious, but we knew that before we got him. I'm disappointed in team management for thinking that Zach and Eddy as a combo would work.
* Eddy Curry - He's meeting my expectations. He's not a good player to start with, and his flaws are glaring now that he's playing next to Zach. Huge disappointment with management for not realizing this earlier, or even at all. Eddy's trade value is dying, and that's management's fault.
* David Lee - Little disappointment in the player. He's still playing hard. His FG% could be a little higher. Past that his minutes have been cut, but ratio-wise he's mostly the same. He's been handling the situation quite well.
* Nate Robinson - An absolute baby of babies. Maturity of a two year old. He hasn't grown. He hasn't advanced. He's an undersized guard who doesn't get it. Disappointed in management for thinking any more of Nate than what he is.
* Other - The rest of the team has been an utter embarassment as well.

There are no positives. My biggest disappointment is in Isiah Thomas. He assembled this mess. There's some good pieces which could work in the right environment. Needless to say that this is the wrong environment for every single player on the roster. That's just plain scary.

[Edited by - Solace on Dec 09 2007 10:15 PM]

I agree with almost all of that except I'd say Zach is playing at a very low level on offense, not a high level. He's a black hole on offense. He hits a low % and has a ton of turnovers. At best, he's a streak scorer.

I just meant he's not really playing worse than usual. He's a very flawed player as is every player on the roster. He's also the best player on the team. Him being a black hole. You could classify most of the team as that.
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12/10/2007  12:25 AM
David Lee should not even qualify because A)He was picked 30TH in the draft and B)He's making 900k this season. Meaning his value = contract. That also means he's a flexible player where (if we wanted to go in a different direction, as in fill a need) we could move him and get VALUE back. When I say VALUE, I'm not talking about picking up Crap Randolph for Stevie Frankenstein. That is not value, that is exchanging one disaster for another bigger disaster with a bigger unmovable contract.
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I think Isiah as coach has been the biggest disappointment. I knew he was a lousy GM, and I thought he was a puussy coach last year, but still I didn't expect him to lose the team two weeks into the season.

No wonder he didn't want Houston on this team. If anyone knew how dysfunctional this locker room is Isiah would have to kill them.
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12/10/2007  12:56 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I think Isiah as coach has been the biggest disappointment. I knew he was a lousy GM, and I thought he was a puussy coach last year, but still I didn't expect him to lose the team two weeks into the season.

No wonder he didn't want Houston on this team. If anyone knew how dysfunctional this locker room is Isiah would have to kill them.



That's right NO MONITORS ALLOWED.

I'm not upset at I SAY UGH the coach because he never wanted to coach this team because he knew. He looked depressed when the decision was made by Dolan to appoint him as coach over the team. Being that we've had several coaches since I SAY UGH'S tenure and this was a player poll we gotta look at the players.
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12/10/2007  1:10 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

I think Isiah as coach has been the biggest disappointment. I knew he was a lousy GM, and I thought he was a puussy coach last year, but still I didn't expect him to lose the team two weeks into the season.

No wonder he didn't want Houston on this team. If anyone knew how dysfunctional this locker room is Isiah would have to kill them.



That's right NO MONITORS ALLOWED.

I'm not upset at I SAY UGH the coach because he never wanted to coach this team because he knew. He looked depressed when the decision was made by Dolan to appoint him as coach over the team. Being that we've had several coaches since I SAY UGH'S tenure and this was a player poll we gotta look at the players.

You gotta look at the players, I get to look at it however I damn please.



[Edited by - blueseats on 12-10-2007 01:11 AM]
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Speaking of Allan Houston, what do you think the odds are that if somehow, by some miracle that Isiah is replaced, that the guy who replaces him is Allan Houston?
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Posted by Solace:

Speaking of Allan Houston, what do you think the odds are that if somehow, by some miracle that Isiah is replaced, that the guy who replaces him is Allan Houston?

I think it's possible. I just wish he were being groomed somewhere good to prepare him first.
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Eddie by far, because Isiah said he would be the biggest impact on this team. He was even asked over a year ago if he'd had it to do again? He answered he'd make the move again, so that seals it. Nice to see those two first round picks that we gave up for him have moved ahead of us on another team, somewhere by the great lakes. I think the bulls have finally woke up and this team is going to do their damndest to keep from going for the number one draft pick next June, by winning as many games as they can, but not make the playoffs. I think the projection is about 26 wins so far.
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12/10/2007  8:16 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Solace:

Speaking of Allan Houston, what do you think the odds are that if somehow, by some miracle that Isiah is replaced, that the guy who replaces him is Allan Houston?

I think it's possible. I just wish he were being groomed somewhere good to prepare him first.
Allan was actually shockingly positive toward Dolan in that video. Maybe it's just because of the contract Dolan gave him but it seems like he has a lot of loyalty to Dolan.
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Posted by BlueSeats:

I think Isiah as coach has been the biggest disappointment. I knew he was a lousy GM, and I thought he was a puussy coach last year, but still I didn't expect him to lose the team two weeks into the season.

No wonder he didn't want Houston on this team. If anyone knew how dysfunctional this locker room is Isiah would have to kill them.

I actually thought Isiah was a decent coach last year.

Yes- every word out of his mouth is an excuse, but I thought he inspired the players he had to play better.

This year, I swear, I think he is trying to lose games.
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12/10/2007  8:25 AM
I am not disappointed with Curry. I had a feeling his game would take a slide since Zach arrived. Many of us spoke about it over the summer. If Eddie isn't the focal point of the offense, what does he provide? We aer seeing it now. Not much. Unless you give him the ball all the time he has a tough time getting himself involved.

My biggest dissappointment is Marbs. After all the talk of change, maturity and spirituality I really didn't expect him to be a leader but................I didn't expect him to abandon the team in the first month.

I'm also disappointed at myself for expecting more from the team. I should be okay with nights of poor effort. I should have trained myself better by now.
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That being said it's also disappointed that we added a "23 and 10" player and yet have somehow gotten worse. Can that happen anywhere else?
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12/10/2007  8:50 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

That being said it's also disappointed that we added a "23 and 10" player and yet have somehow gotten worse. Can that happen anywhere else?

That's what happens when you only consider plays in single dimensions and don't consider other things that very much impact the team. A lot of people knew Zach was a bad idea. I knew he was a bad idea, but didn't think that he would make us worse either. We're probably also the only team in the league that improves as we get injuries to key players.
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