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oohah
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12/5/2007  2:33 PM
Mismanaged assets? Give me a break! Who gives a rat's ass about a second-round pick? Second-round picks are routinely cut by NBA teams. Second round picks are bought and sold, and used as trade throw-ins all the time. It not a big deal at all. It means nothing.

If Nichols was ready to contribute to an NBA roster that would be one thing, but he isn't. WHO CARES?

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Islesfan is the most transparent shallow person in the universe. The only reason he cares about Nichols is because he was cut by Isiah, giving him another meaningless thing to harp on like a special-needs parrot.

"Isiah Bad! Bawk!"

If Nichols was on the team Islesfan would mock and dis Nichols just like he does all the other players on the Knicks.

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And here is where I get superstar from: So many guys here were comparing him to Allan Houston and the like. Many said he could be better. He was made out to be much much more than he is or is ever likely to be. There is no disputing that fact. A search feature would reveal all.

He ain't Allan Houston boys. He might not even be Byron Houston. At least Jackie Butler is a borderline NBA player. Say what you want about Fred Jones, but he has been a legitimate NBA player since his first day. Not so Nichols.

The mismanagement was on Nichols' part. I bet his agent is having a good chuckle now too.

Mismanaged asset? Kiss my asset. Get over it!

oohah

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12/5/2007  2:38 PM
2nd round picks are an asset to a team like the Knicks because its one of their only tools to acquire young talent and acquire it cheaply. Tough to flush those in favor of $30 mil contracts to garbage players.

And in recent years the draft has gotten deeper. The rate of 2nd round contributions are much higher than before.

For a team in the Knicks position, it doesn't make a lot of sense to let one go.

It's not that Nichols looked like he was gonna be superstar, but this wasn't Michael Wright, Erich Chenowith, DeMarco Johnson here. He played well in summer league and scored a point a minute on a solid shooting percentage in preseason.

Would it have made sense to cut Trevor Ariza? We mismanaged how we used him, but he was a pretty decent commodity.
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12/5/2007  2:41 PM
Can anyone tell me when I ever said a bad word about Nichols? From the time he was drafted to the time he was let go, I never "mocked" or "dissed" him. In fact, I said he was a good pickup and could be a useful player.

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm letting facts get in the way of another oohah rant. "Superstar"??? LMAO

Please proceed with removing all doubt about what a raving delusional lunatic you are.
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12/5/2007  2:51 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by colorfl1:

I seems Zeke was correct for keeping Fred Jones over Nichols...

I doubt anyone here will come clean on that one...

I don't think it would have mattered who he kept. I mean it's not like Fred Jones is lighting the world on fire right now.

The point of the whole thing is that Isiah threw away draft picks for no reason what-so-ever.
Fred Jones is right now the --->only<--- player on this team who has shown himself to be proficient offensively and defensively from the PG position.
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12/5/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by colorfl1:

Fred Jones is right now the --->only<--- player on this team who has shown himself to be proficient offensively and defensively from the PG position.

Dude Fred Jones is not a PG.
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12/5/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by oohah:

Mismanaged assets? Give me a break! Who gives a rat's ass about a second-round pick? Second-round picks are routinely cut by NBA teams. Second round picks are bought and sold, and used as trade throw-ins all the time. It not a big deal at all. It means nothing.

If Nichols was ready to contribute to an NBA roster that would be one thing, but he isn't. WHO CARES?

your "ready to contribute" mantra is ridiculous. a young player is not worth keeping if he can't perform up to expectations within a month? come on.

next year's draft we'll need to seriously consider taking a shooter again. i'd rather have a guy with an NBA year under his belt in whatever capacity (spot minutes, practice time, D-league). we won't have our shooter or our 2nd rounder. lost assets. d-nice's resume was at least comparable to anyone's we can reasonably get next year. it's a mistake, as i've said many times.
And here is where I get superstar from: So many guys here were comparing him to Allan Houston and the like. Many said he could be better. He was made out to be much much more than he is or is ever likely to be. There is no disputing that fact. A search feature would reveal all.

there's also no disputing that you're exaggerating. "many" said he "could" be better than allan houston, implying that he could be a superstar... as far as making him out to be "much much more" than he 's ever likely to be, exaggeration aside isn't that our prerogative as fans? isiah's supporters and detractors alike have bought into this, either to support a bargain pickup or denounce a lost opportunity.
He ain't Allan Houston boys. He might not even be Byron Houston. At least Jackie Butler is a borderline NBA player. Say what you want about Fred Jones, but he has been a legitimate NBA player since his first day. Not so Nichols.

d-nice didn't look like a borderline NBA player in summer league? honestly?

i don't get the fred jones comparison. do you mean the five year vet that came into Knicks camp was a more legit NBA player? OK you win. or do you mean the fred jones that played 115 minutes his rookie year, as a first round pick? was he a more legit NBA player than d-nice today?
Mismanaged asset? Kiss my asset. Get over it!

for the record, the threads were both started by people who agree with you.

EDIT: make that two of three of the threads, i think

[Edited by - Masterplan on 12-05-2007 3:02 PM]
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12/5/2007  3:00 PM
no team in the nba has 15 players that are wantde or contributing greatly
this is why roster fluctuate every yr
so he took a chanse with nichols so what
after this yr we only have one roster spot open anyway
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12/5/2007  3:01 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by colorfl1:

Fred Jones is right now the --->only<--- player on this team who has shown himself to be proficient offensively and defensively from the PG position.

Dude Fred Jones is not a PG.

agreed. fred is playing better than i thought, but his limitations should be clear.
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12/5/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by colorfl1:

Fred Jones is right now the --->only<--- player on this team who has shown himself to be proficient offensively and defensively from the PG position.

Dude Fred Jones is not a PG.

And that is why we suck!
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12/5/2007  3:05 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by colorfl1:

Fred Jones is right now the --->only<--- player on this team who has shown himself to be proficient offensively and defensively from the PG position.

Dude Fred Jones is not a PG.

agreed. fred is playing better than i thought, but his limitations should be clear.

I agree, Fred has played pretty decent in his limited minutes, but lets not get carried away. Fred is hardly a rotation player anymore, which is why some were mad that he was kept over Nichols. Especially when the Knicks weren't going anywhere this year anyway.
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12/5/2007  3:05 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by colorfl1:

I seems Zeke was correct for keeping Fred Jones over Nichols...

I doubt anyone here will come clean on that one...

I don't think it would have mattered who he kept. I mean it's not like Fred Jones is lighting the world on fire right now.

The point of the whole thing is that Isiah threw away draft picks for no reason what-so-ever.
Fred Jones is right now the --->only<--- player on this team who has shown himself to be proficient offensively and defensively from the PG position.

What have Jerome James and Malik Rose shown? Have they shown themselves to have any future with this team?

What about not making that trade at all if you know that you don't have the roster space this year?
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12/5/2007  3:09 PM
detroit cares for 2nd round picks as they traded delfino for 2 of them.

delfino is a more complete player all our guards and sf's.
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12/5/2007  3:12 PM
Let's all spare oohah the embarrassment on behalf of me of not listing 2nd round draft picks who have turned out to be studs.
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12/5/2007  3:15 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by colorfl1:

Fred Jones is right now the --->only<--- player on this team who has shown himself to be proficient offensively and defensively from the PG position.

Dude Fred Jones is not a PG.

agreed. fred is playing better than i thought, but his limitations should be clear.

I beg your pardon? Jones is not limited in any way.
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12/5/2007  3:17 PM
I am a fond believer in the following:

Because there is a chance that you won't get a good player in the 2nd round, you should just get rid of all of them.
I just hope that people will like me
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12/5/2007  3:17 PM
you guys wish we still had butler
spurs dropped him everyone gets dropped
for whats looks like nothing
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12/5/2007  3:23 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Let's all spare oohah the embarrassment on behalf of me of not listing 2nd round draft picks who have turned out to be studs.
Well put. I was actually going to create a list. But it's a long list and we all already know who many of those players are.
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12/5/2007  3:26 PM
Isiah is a gambler who first bet a lot of chips and the fold.
Other GM's should like him across the table.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Let's all spare oohah the embarrassment on behalf of me of not listing 2nd round draft picks who have turned out to be studs.
Well put. I was actually going to create a list. But it's a long list and we all already know who many of those players are.


Well you twisted my arm Bonn..... please go ahead and proceed to bring this full circle as we watch him fall flat on his face
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12/5/2007  3:33 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Let's all spare oohah the embarrassment on behalf of me of not listing 2nd round draft picks who have turned out to be studs.
Well put. I was actually going to create a list. But it's a long list and we all already know who many of those players are.


Well you twisted my arm Bonn..... please go ahead and proceed to bring this full circle as we watch him fall flat on his face

uh guys, be careful how you phrase this stuff or oohah will think you're saying nichols will be a superstar.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 12-05-2007 3:44 PM]
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