Because if you guys were real-life GMs you would have NBA teams filled with NBDL talent and a pay roll of 10 million dollars

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by Cosmic:

Can we please face facts? No one or two trades will change what the other players are.

We need to dump our entire starting five. They're all garbage. Some of our bench also needs to be dumped.

By the time you're done with it all you're keeping are a few kids with some potential.


This thing needs to be entirely stripped down. There is no fixing it any other way.

exactly. the problem with this team are that the players deficiencies can't be covered up by the other players because they are also lacking in so many areas..

For instance, you can't have balkman and lee on the floor with zach and curry, because of the dump down effect.. We dump the ball to zach and curry and stand around, well since lee and balkman can't shoot and the same for jeffries, this renders them useless, they are slashers, need to be in a system where there is ball movement, which leads to cuts to the basket and weakside rebounds....

Then if you sit curry and zach, we are left with a perimeter team, with the offense dominated by marbury and crawford, those two don't really have an idea of what a motion offense is..

Ok, so we keep in marbury, and mix and match them with balkman, lee and curry.. The problem is, still no outside shooting and lack of defense..

anyway you mix this team, there are no combinations it seems where you can have defense and offense on the floor at the same time..

this is a sad situation..

That's the point right there. No one, two, or even three new attainable players will cause Eddy to play defense and with passion, will stop Crawford from chucking and play defense, will turn zach from Mo Taylor into Chris Webber, give Balk and Lee and Mardy jump shots. It's just not going to happen it's not how things work.

In order for any one of our five starters to look good we'd have to trade four of the five starters and put four brand new two-way team oriented players around any 1 of the 5 remaining starters. Only then will they look good.

Again, in other words, there is no fix anymore, it just has to be torn down completely.

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by TheGame:

The problem is not Zach and Curry (or at least the main problem is not them). Our bigger problem is the 1,2, and 3 spots.

this kind of statement bugs me. our bigs don't share the ball, turn it over too much and play no defense. how are they not at least part of the problem? even if we get kidd bowen and artest to man the 1,2 and 3 we'll still get killed by the easiest pick plays. we'll still go through cold spells on offense when curry isn't performing and zach is trying to shoot through slumps.

this cannot be our frontcourt of the future if we want to win big.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 12-04-2007 1:30 PM]

Posted by TMS:

you're wrong bitty... i can take a player making big dollars as long as he fits w/the rest of the parts... i even gave Steve Francis an open mind when Isiah traded for him cuz i thought Marbury was on his way out & Isiah was angling for a KG trade last year... that didn't happen obviously... i gave the Jalen Rose trade a pass cuz we got a pick out of the deal... i gave Marbury & Penny a complete open mind when that deal was made, in fact i applauded Isiah for making it... that turned out to be an unmitigated disaster... there comes a time when you keep seeing the same mistakes being made over & over, you lose faith in subsequent moves to net any positive results... until Isiah proves to me that he's got a plan that he's trying to build towards & not just making haphazard moves w/no thought whatsoever to any longterm ramifications, he's not winning my trust ever again.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by TMS:

you're wrong bitty... i can take a player making big dollars as long as he fits w/the rest of the parts... i even gave Steve Francis an open mind when Isiah traded for him cuz i thought Marbury was on his way out & Isiah was angling for a KG trade last year... that didn't happen obviously... i gave the Jalen Rose trade a pass cuz we got a pick out of the deal... i gave Marbury & Penny a complete open mind when that deal was made, in fact i applauded Isiah for making it... that turned out to be an unmitigated disaster... there comes a time when you keep seeing the same mistakes being made over & over, you lose faith in subsequent moves to net any positive results... until Isiah proves to me that he's got a plan that he's trying to build towards & not just making haphazard moves w/no thought whatsoever to any longterm ramifications, he's not winning my trust ever again.

TMS,

You missed my point completely this isn't an Isiah Thomas defense (how dare you accuse me of such a terrible thing). This is a defense of players who are brought into bad situations and asked to perform the near impossible. These guys aren't miracle workers they cann't make a proper supporting cast magically appear around them and they cann't make all the things that have been troubling the team for years disappear. And until players are given managerial power in their contracts (which actually scares more then comforts) then a great deal of all this blame lays with the management and coaching.

I think some of us have lost our way we don't even care about skill or talent and if we do its like the 4th or 5th priority. Particular Knick fans all we care about is money, money, money, and if a player wants to be well received in NY he better be making close to the bare mininum. Otherwise he better be an MVP candidate.