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12/2/2007  9:48 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

"Zach Randolph isn't a guy you can win with."
-Dan Majerle

I don't think that is true. I just think that it will be very difficult to get consistent play with both Eddy and Zach--and it also effects Lee[who I think may still be hurt]. You have to pick a style of play--do you want to play faster and put Zach at C and put 3 6-7 guys with a PG out there or do you want to play a stronger type halfcourt game with Eddy and better passers and shooters. Although it works at times--you can see if you watch closely how they kind of clog the lane together on offense sometimes. I think EC needs to lose 15-20 and IT should mandate that he does so like Riley does.

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12/2/2007  10:13 PM
can someone please photoshop zach's head on a goat please...
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12/2/2007  10:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

can someone please photoshop zach's head on a goat please...
why? so you can darko it? please seek help.
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12/2/2007  10:45 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

"Zach Randolph isn't a guy you can win with."
-Dan Majerle

We where promised that this season would be different. We where told by Isiah that we got one of the premier players in the league. suckbury said 'We got Zach Randloph. Ya'll here that? We got Zach Randolph! We're coming. Be afraid, be very afraid' (hey TMS, you got that video clip again?). Well' I don't see any difference with Zach on this team. Just another guy, like Curry last year, putting up some good looking stats.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/3/2007  12:15 AM
Posted by colorfl1:

I am tired of hearing how the Knicks should just stop adding salary and get below the cap to eventually compete...
That is a naive strategy; this team has the HIGHEST payroll in the NBA... do you really believe there is actually a realistic strategy whereby you can shed all your salaries, play a young core who will then command larger salaries, and then still have enough money below the cap to snag a Lebron or Wade... and do you really believe that the Heat and Cavs will just let their talent walk???

get used to it cuz ur gonna be hearing it as long as this organization continues to make idiotic trades to add longterm salary for players that don't actually help the team improve... the whole point about cap responsibility isn't so we can get under the cap & target Lebron or Kobe necessarily... the point is you don't take on players w/albatross contracts unless they fill needs & conform to a logical plan to build a contending team... you don't make idiotic trades with a "let's throw this up against the wall & see if it sticks" plan that hampers your ability to make other deals down the road.

if you're really happy w/these types of trades, then you really have no right to complain or even be surprised at all when this team continues to be the laughing stock of the NBA... those of us who don't share in your "vision" want a change of ideology around here, cuz the old one sure as hell ain't workin.
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12/3/2007  11:15 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by colorfl1:

I am tired of hearing how the Knicks should just stop adding salary and get below the cap to eventually compete...
That is a naive strategy; this team has the HIGHEST payroll in the NBA... do you really believe there is actually a realistic strategy whereby you can shed all your salaries, play a young core who will then command larger salaries, and then still have enough money below the cap to snag a Lebron or Wade... and do you really believe that the Heat and Cavs will just let their talent walk???

get used to it cuz ur gonna be hearing it as long as this organization continues to make idiotic trades to add longterm salary for players that don't actually help the team improve... the whole point about cap responsibility isn't so we can get under the cap & target Lebron or Kobe necessarily... the point is you don't take on players w/albatross contracts unless they fill needs & conform to a logical plan to build a contending team... you don't make idiotic trades with a "let's throw this up against the wall & see if it sticks" plan that hampers your ability to make other deals down the road.

if you're really happy w/these types of trades, then you really have no right to complain or even be surprised at all when this team continues to be the laughing stock of the NBA... those of us who don't share in your "vision" want a change of ideology around here, cuz the old one sure as hell ain't workin.

I am happy that we were able to turn a disaster and problem in Frances, and the softest young pf in the league into an all-star caliber young player (in Randolph).
Randolph can solidify this position for the next 7 years... now we can use redundant pieces and Marbury's expiring contract next year to solidify the next 7 years of another key position (hopefully a PG).
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12/3/2007  11:49 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by colorfl1:

I am tired of hearing how the Knicks should just stop adding salary and get below the cap to eventually compete...
That is a naive strategy; this team has the HIGHEST payroll in the NBA... do you really believe there is actually a realistic strategy whereby you can shed all your salaries, play a young core who will then command larger salaries, and then still have enough money below the cap to snag a Lebron or Wade... and do you really believe that the Heat and Cavs will just let their talent walk???

get used to it cuz ur gonna be hearing it as long as this organization continues to make idiotic trades to add longterm salary for players that don't actually help the team improve... the whole point about cap responsibility isn't so we can get under the cap & target Lebron or Kobe necessarily... the point is you don't take on players w/albatross contracts unless they fill needs & conform to a logical plan to build a contending team... you don't make idiotic trades with a "let's throw this up against the wall & see if it sticks" plan that hampers your ability to make other deals down the road.

if you're really happy w/these types of trades, then you really have no right to complain or even be surprised at all when this team continues to be the laughing stock of the NBA... those of us who don't share in your "vision" want a change of ideology around here, cuz the old one sure as hell ain't workin.


Also, it's not only about being about to sign FA's.
It's about having players that other teams are willing to discuss trading for,
instead of a bunch of players no one else wants at the salaries that they are making
relegating you to the ability only to trade for players other teams are desperate to unload.
Can't you see that this is a problem? Miami was able to win a championship because they
had enough assets to trade for Shaq. Celtics got KG the same way.

Instead, we have so much dead weight we have to cut multi-million dollar players cuz:
NO ONE ELSE WANTS THEM.


[Edited by - panos on 03-12-2007 11:50 AM]
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12/3/2007  12:19 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by colorfl1:

I am tired of hearing how the Knicks should just stop adding salary and get below the cap to eventually compete...
That is a naive strategy; this team has the HIGHEST payroll in the NBA... do you really believe there is actually a realistic strategy whereby you can shed all your salaries, play a young core who will then command larger salaries, and then still have enough money below the cap to snag a Lebron or Wade... and do you really believe that the Heat and Cavs will just let their talent walk???

get used to it cuz ur gonna be hearing it as long as this organization continues to make idiotic trades to add longterm salary for players that don't actually help the team improve... the whole point about cap responsibility isn't so we can get under the cap & target Lebron or Kobe necessarily... the point is you don't take on players w/albatross contracts unless they fill needs & conform to a logical plan to build a contending team... you don't make idiotic trades with a "let's throw this up against the wall & see if it sticks" plan that hampers your ability to make other deals down the road.

if you're really happy w/these types of trades, then you really have no right to complain or even be surprised at all when this team continues to be the laughing stock of the NBA... those of us who don't share in your "vision" want a change of ideology around here, cuz the old one sure as hell ain't workin.


Also, it's not only about being about to sign FA's.
It's about having players that other teams are willing to discuss trading for,
instead of a bunch of players no one else wants at the salaries that they are making
relegating you to the ability only to trade for players other teams are desperate to unload.
Can't you see that this is a problem? Miami was able to win a championship because they
had enough assets to trade for Shaq. Celtics got KG the same way.

Instead, we have so much dead weight we have to cut multi-million dollar players cuz:
NO ONE ELSE WANTS THEM.


[Edited by - panos on 03-12-2007 11:50 AM]

There is a healthy trade market for any player with Curry's abilities (Curry does not have a poor attitude)... he is still young and has showed slow growth... but growth nevertheless.
Teams would be interested in Lee;
The acquisition of Zach allows the Knicks to have real trade options in the future to solidify other key positions.

You cannot call a curve-ball a ball before it has a chance to cross the plate... this rebuilding process is no where near completion.
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12/3/2007  12:38 PM
this rebuilding process is no where near completion.

after 4 years you'd figure we could at least see some sort of direction or plan developing however.
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12/3/2007  1:29 PM
Posted by TMS:
this rebuilding process is no where near completion.

after 4 years you'd figure we could at least see some sort of direction or plan developing however.

That is because Zeke has made some horrible signings and personnel decisions... and also because Marbury's approach has been a cancer for this team.
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12/3/2007  2:18 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Panos:



Also, it's not only about being about to sign FA's.
It's about having players that other teams are willing to discuss trading for,
instead of a bunch of players no one else wants at the salaries that they are making
relegating you to the ability only to trade for players other teams are desperate to unload.
Can't you see that this is a problem? Miami was able to win a championship because they
had enough assets to trade for Shaq. Celtics got KG the same way.

Instead, we have so much dead weight we have to cut multi-million dollar players cuz:
NO ONE ELSE WANTS THEM.


[Edited by - panos on 03-12-2007 11:50 AM]

There is a healthy trade market for any player with Curry's abilities (Curry does not have a poor attitude)... he is still young and has showed slow growth... but growth nevertheless.
Teams would be interested in Lee;
The acquisition of Zach allows the Knicks to have real trade options in the future to solidify other key positions.

You cannot call a curve-ball a ball before it has a chance to cross the plate... this rebuilding process is no where near completion.

Classic lover subterfuge. All smoke and mirrors... and now curve balls.

Let me ask you this, if its no where near completion (UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR!)
when do you see horizon for this team rebuild? How many years to go?



[Edited by - panos on 03-12-2007 2:20 PM]
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12/3/2007  2:24 PM
Like all real rebuilding situations, this team is rebuilt when its young drafted core develop to represent the character of this club.
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12/3/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by colorfl1:

Like all real rebuilding situations, this team is rebuilt when its young drafted core develop to represent the character of this club.

The difference between this rebuilding situation and others is that others generally revolve around a plan.

"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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12/3/2007  2:39 PM
Posted by colorfl1:

Like all real rebuilding situations, this team is rebuilt when its young drafted core develop to represent the character of this club.

And who do you see as the stars of that core?
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12/3/2007  3:33 PM
After going through what we have with Marbury, Jamal Crawford, & Curry. How could anyone have faith that Randolph is going to be that special player that people are hoping for him to be?

Or maybe I should word it like this. Isn't it understandable for people to not have any faith in Randolph to be that special player that people are hoping for? Whos talent can actually translates into wins? After going through what we have gone through in Marbury, Crawford, & Curry. Isn't it understand that we would want Randolph to prove himself worthy of being a talent that can provide wins by using his talent ot elevate the play of the players around him? Isn't understandable the lack of faith in Randolph when his rap from Portland was that he was a blackhole that didn't pass, shoots a low %, plays little defense, and doesn't play a team game. Was traded from Portland for peanuts because they thought they would be better without him. Only to watch him be a blackhole that deosn't pass, shoots a low %, play little defense, and not play a team game during the majority of the few games that we have played so far this season?

Its not that he is the reason the Knicks are losing. But he isn't helping the knicks win either. And I don't get the feeling that he will be a player that knicks will win with in the future either. Unless of course he accepted a role player role as an instand offense & rebounder off the bench or something.
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12/3/2007  3:34 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by colorfl1:

Like all real rebuilding situations, this team is rebuilt when its young drafted core develop to represent the character of this club.

The difference between this rebuilding situation and others is that others generally revolve around a plan.

I am not a fan of Zeke. His performance as a GM and President has been legendary bad.

I am only discussing the merits of using the "trade bad expiring contracts" strategy cyclically to eventually fill roles with all-star caliber acquisitions.
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12/3/2007  3:38 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Sorry, this has to be said:

His name is ZacH RandolPH

Some like to spell it with a "k," some people read the Lord of the Rings a few too many times... but it is Zach Randolph.


Bahaha. No one caught my "Randalf the Gray" reference on the other thread he mispelled his name. He does treat the basketball as if it were his "precious" though...
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12/3/2007  3:39 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by colorfl1:

Like all real rebuilding situations, this team is rebuilt when its young drafted core develop to represent the character of this club.

And who do you see as the stars of that core?
Core players do not need to be stars... they need to be good, and constitute the character of how a club plays...
Balkman, Lee, Collins, Chandler and Morris will all develop into hard-nosed hustle players who will not quit on a team...
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12/3/2007  4:41 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by colorfl1:

Like all real rebuilding situations, this team is rebuilt when its young drafted core develop to represent the character of this club.

The difference between this rebuilding situation and others is that others generally revolve around a plan.

I am not a fan of Zeke. His performance as a GM and President has been legendary bad.

I am only discussing the merits of using the "trade bad expiring contracts" strategy cyclically to eventually fill roles with all-star caliber acquisitions.


Wait a minute. No one has pursued the expiring contracts PLUS DRAFT PICKS strategy further than Isiah, to the result of what you yourself call "legendary bad" performance, yet you are a proponent of the same approach going forward? What has it gotten us?

This managerial style is analogous to Ivy League college recruiters trying to find the best and brightest in reform schools.
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12/3/2007  5:59 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by colorfl1:

Like all real rebuilding situations, this team is rebuilt when its young drafted core develop to represent the character of this club.

The difference between this rebuilding situation and others is that others generally revolve around a plan.

I am not a fan of Zeke. His performance as a GM and President has been legendary bad.

I am only discussing the merits of using the "trade bad expiring contracts" strategy cyclically to eventually fill roles with all-star caliber acquisitions.


Wait a minute. No one has pursued the expiring contracts PLUS DRAFT PICKS strategy further than Isiah, to the result of what you yourself call "legendary bad" performance, yet you are a proponent of the same approach going forward? What has it gotten us?

This managerial style is analogous to Ivy League college recruiters trying to find the best and brightest in reform schools.


Isiah has made several bad moves as GM that have not benifited and at times has set back the development of this team...
These include the Frances trade, Mo Taylor, Big snacks acquisition and the Jared j. acquisitions... all of these hindered the progress of this organization and Zeke has been a miserable GM at effectively executing this strategy.
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