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Simple Question.... Is Dwight Howard The Most Dominant Big Man In The Game?
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11/26/2007  10:03 AM
Hands down the best big in the entire league right now and that includes duncan and garnett.

He is playing with Shard who is a very good player, but put him with allen/pierce or parker/manu

and forget about giving him steve nash, barbaosa, and marion he would be dominating even more
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11/26/2007  10:47 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Remember all the crap we had to hear about Curry being more dominant because he outplayed Howard last year in the head to head matchups?

Yeah Bonn I remember me and you were the main ones fending off the ignorance I clearly remember those debates.

Even this yr I had discussions with slow thinking people arguing over the fact because they feel he's limited offensively in the post this makes him not dominant. Oh ok so the guy has according to them maybe 2 post moves at best, no jumper, and is just a dunk artist...... yet he's scoring almost 24pts/gm with his limited offensive abilities and causing opposing centers, forwards, and guards to send him to the free throw line 10x's gm with the same limited offensive moves while grabbing 14reb not just for average but every night and blocking 2 shots/gm.


I want to see more names mentioned since it was so obvious he isn't when I said this 3weeks ago that he was.
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11/26/2007  11:06 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

I hate to say this because I hate him, but Amare is the most dominant big man in the game for me, even he does not play more than 30 mins per game.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 26-11-2007 07:32 AM]


Amare isn't even close to the same defensive player Howard is and it's a very wide margin.
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11/26/2007  11:06 AM
god honest truth is Eddy could be everything Dwight is and more, he is just not motivated to be so. You cant teach the kind of fire that guys like Dwight and Amare have. Eddy just doesnt have it and never will
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11/26/2007  11:11 AM
I am a dwight fan, and he is a beast right now, no doubt. I still love amare. his numbers are down right now, but this is a guy who came off of knee surgery, lost some of that athleticism and still made 1st team all NBA last year, if I am not mistaken.

I like amare better, because he still is a great athlete, and his skill level is superior to dwight. It is a close call for me, but amare is such a fantastic player, even off the ball, he does a lot of things right. He is a no frills, throw back player. His jumper has gotten better at that too. watching amare and nash play together is what basketball is all about...
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11/26/2007  11:13 AM
Posted by fishmike:

god honest truth is Eddy could be everything Dwight is and more, he is just not motivated to be so. You cant teach the kind of fire that guys like Dwight and Amare have. Eddy just doesnt have it and never will

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11/26/2007  11:15 AM
Posted by fishmike:

god honest truth is Eddy could be everything Dwight is and more, he is just not motivated to be so. You cant teach the kind of fire that guys like Dwight and Amare have. Eddy just doesnt have it and never will

Someone needs to teach Eddy how to box out. With just sheer size, he should get 5 boards accidentally by boxing out in the defensive side. Put your hands up big man and use that rump.
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11/26/2007  11:47 AM
Posted by fishmike:

god honest truth is Eddy could be everything Dwight is and more, he is just not motivated to be so. You cant teach the kind of fire that guys like Dwight and Amare have. Eddy just doesnt have it and never will
I do agree with that and that's what frustrates me so much about Eddy. Isiah gambled on being able to change Eddy and it was a poor gamble.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-26-2007 11:47 AM]
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11/26/2007  12:05 PM
Posted by tkf:

I am a dwight fan, and he is a beast right now, no doubt. I still love amare. his numbers are down right now, but this is a guy who came off of knee surgery, lost some of that athleticism and still made 1st team all NBA last year, if I am not mistaken.

I like amare better, because he still is a great athlete, and his skill level is superior to dwight. It is a close call for me, but amare is such a fantastic player, even off the ball, he does a lot of things right. He is a no frills, throw back player. His jumper has gotten better at that too. watching amare and nash play together is what basketball is all about...


This isn't about preference of player it's about who's dominating games and playing his position as such. Amare isn't even the best power forward in the game yet alone most dominant. He doesn't take over games and he's somewhat of a slouch on the defensive end. And talk about throw back so is Dwight. He's a no nonsense, say nothing, total professional and goes about his business quiet yt very loudly. His athleticism is off the freakin charts and here's a reminder San Antonio @ Orlando last yr....
"Dwight had to go up and touch the clouds over Timmy and get it one-handed and put it in," the Spurs' Brent Barry said. "It was a remarkable play."

It was the first game-winning shot of Howard's career at any level and finished off a night in which he scored 30 points and had eight rebounds. He also blocked three shots, including one by Spurs guard Tony Parker with 0.8 seconds left to set up the game-winning play.

"Thank God we have an unbelievable athlete capable of making an unbelievable play like that," Magic coach Brian Hill said. "Everything had to be perfect, starting with the pass and Dwight just finished it off the way only he can."

Magic rookie J.J. Redick added a season-high 16 points, including a critical three-point play in the final minute.

"That was just freak athleticism," Redick said of Howard's play. "We've all seen spectacular lobs and dunks, but I told him after the game: 'Dude, I've never seen anything like that in that situation.'"

Added Spurs coach Gregg Popovich: "That was a fantastic catch by a really dynamic young player. But Dwight was great the whole night. It was a fantastic win for Orlando."



Both game winning/saving plays

Offense

Defense

Dominant



Not to mention this is a guy who touched 11'6" with one hand and dunked the ball with the other hand wit ease in the dunk out last yr and can kis the rim with his lips. His athleticism is way off the charts.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 11-26-2007 11:06 AM]
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11/26/2007  12:07 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

god honest truth is Eddy could be everything Dwight is and more, he is just not motivated to be so. You cant teach the kind of fire that guys like Dwight and Amare have. Eddy just doesnt have it and never will
I do agree with that and that's what frustrates me so much about Eddy. Isiah gambled on being able to change Eddy and it was a poor gamble.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-26-2007 11:47 AM]


When has Isiah ever allowed anyone to change Curry? Meaning that Isiah basically just enforces a player's positive attributes he doesn't challenge his players to get their games to the next level. Nor does he take them to task for the faults in their games. Thats the fundamental problem with Isiah in terms of dealing with his personell.

When Larry was here between Steph's Prima Donna act and Isiah's backstabbing it was next to impossible for Larry to implement his philosphies without removing both Isiah and Stephon. So that was a wasted opportunity.


So with all this being said I think there could be light at the end of the tunnel for some players on this team. Curry being one of them. Now Curry will never have the intensity and toughness of someone like a Zo Mourning but that still doesn't mean all is lost. Think about it if you could get Curry to grab 4 or 5 more boards a game added with a more concerted effort on defense Curry could become legitimate center.




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11/26/2007  12:28 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

god honest truth is Eddy could be everything Dwight is and more, he is just not motivated to be so. You cant teach the kind of fire that guys like Dwight and Amare have. Eddy just doesnt have it and never will
I do agree with that and that's what frustrates me so much about Eddy. Isiah gambled on being able to change Eddy and it was a poor gamble.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-26-2007 11:47 AM]


When has Isiah ever allowed anyone to change Curry? Meaning that Isiah basically just enforces a player's positive attributes he doesn't challenge his players to get their games to the next level. Nor does he take them to task for the faults in their games. Thats the fundamental problem with Isiah in terms of dealing with his personell.

When Larry was here between Steph's Prima Donna act and Isiah's backstabbing it was next to impossible for Larry to implement his philosphies without removing both Isiah and Stephon. So that was a wasted opportunity.


So with all this being said I think there could be light at the end of the tunnel for some players on this team. Curry being one of them. Now Curry will never have the intensity and toughness of someone like a Zo Mourning but that still doesn't mean all is lost. Think about it if you could get Curry to grab 4 or 5 more boards a game added with a more concerted effort on defense Curry could become legitimate center.





Well- I would try to get curry to improve some of his bad habits & trade him- the only good thing about curry is his contract actually isn't that bad. the problem is he has an opt out- I worry that we would try to max him out.

If we get a new GM in, allow them to trade curry- honestly- everyone with few exceptions should be traded.

And the whole Dwight Vs. Curry brings back memories of Ewing Vs. Shaq- where Ewing talked a good game, but to the unbiased eye, Shaq was just better.
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11/26/2007  12:33 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:

I am a dwight fan, and he is a beast right now, no doubt. I still love amare. his numbers are down right now, but this is a guy who came off of knee surgery, lost some of that athleticism and still made 1st team all NBA last year, if I am not mistaken.

I like amare better, because he still is a great athlete, and his skill level is superior to dwight. It is a close call for me, but amare is such a fantastic player, even off the ball, he does a lot of things right. He is a no frills, throw back player. His jumper has gotten better at that too. watching amare and nash play together is what basketball is all about...


This isn't about preference of player it's about who's dominating games and playing his position as such. Amare isn't even the best power forward in the game yet alone most dominant. He doesn't take over games and he's somewhat of a slouch on the defensive end. And talk about throw back so is Dwight. He's a no nonsense, say nothing, total professional and goes about his business quiet yt very loudly. His athleticism is off the freakin charts and here's a reminder San Antonio @ Orlando last yr....
"Dwight had to go up and touch the clouds over Timmy and get it one-handed and put it in," the Spurs' Brent Barry said. "It was a remarkable play."

It was the first game-winning shot of Howard's career at any level and finished off a night in which he scored 30 points and had eight rebounds. He also blocked three shots, including one by Spurs guard Tony Parker with 0.8 seconds left to set up the game-winning play.

"Thank God we have an unbelievable athlete capable of making an unbelievable play like that," Magic coach Brian Hill said. "Everything had to be perfect, starting with the pass and Dwight just finished it off the way only he can."

Magic rookie J.J. Redick added a season-high 16 points, including a critical three-point play in the final minute.

"That was just freak athleticism," Redick said of Howard's play. "We've all seen spectacular lobs and dunks, but I told him after the game: 'Dude, I've never seen anything like that in that situation.'"

Added Spurs coach Gregg Popovich: "That was a fantastic catch by a really dynamic young player. But Dwight was great the whole night. It was a fantastic win for Orlando."



Both game winning/saving plays

Offense

Defense

Dominant



Not to mention this is a guy who touched 11'6" with one hand and dunked the ball with the other hand wit ease in the dunk out last yr and can kis the rim with his lips. His athleticism is way off the charts.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 11-26-2007 11:06 AM]

yea, I have to agree with you, that picture is sick!! I mean that play is unstoppable, because there is no one on this planet that could have stopped that play, maybe vince in his earlier years could have gotten up there, but duncan was helpless on that play..

As far as amare, he dominates in a different way, he has gotten beyond having to put ip big numbers to dominate, that is what I mean. And he is the best PF in the league probably behind duncan. Amare does dominate, because everynight, there is no matchup for this guy. As far as his defense, he is blocking 2.2 shots per game. I don't think he is slouching that much......

But yea, right now, Dwight is the most dominant... there is no one else, doing what he is doing now....
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11/26/2007  3:10 PM
^I take the Big Fundamental over Dwight any day.
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11/26/2007  3:17 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

^I take the Big Fundamental over Dwight any day.

yeah but what day in this season would you take him?
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11/27/2007  8:57 PM
Tim Duncan and KG are easily more dominant than him now, regardless of what his stats are. TD & KG are guys who do everything well on both ends. Their games are fully matured. He is a beast and super athletic and everything, but skills wise, he isnt more dominant than those guys yet. I do think it is only a matter of time before he becomes more dominant than them as they age and he gets better tho.
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11/29/2007  1:12 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Tim Duncan and KG are easily more dominant than him now, regardless of what his stats are. TD & KG are guys who do everything well on both ends. Their games are fully matured. He is a beast and super athletic and everything, but skills wise, he isnt more dominant than those guys yet. I do think it is only a matter of time before he becomes more dominant than them as they age and he gets better tho.


Tonight against Seattle

39pts 16reb 5blks. What doesn't Howard do well on both ends?
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11/29/2007  2:08 AM
Dwight is by far the most physically dominant, but I bet Duncan and KG would beat him in a 7 game series right now.

Hopefully we get to see Orlando/Boston in the playoffs. That would be a treat.
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11/29/2007  4:23 AM
I think Howard's the best. Garnett, Duncan and Ming are the second tier.
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11/29/2007  9:08 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Tim Duncan and KG are easily more dominant than him now, regardless of what his stats are. TD & KG are guys who do everything well on both ends. Their games are fully matured. He is a beast and super athletic and everything, but skills wise, he isnt more dominant than those guys yet. I do think it is only a matter of time before he becomes more dominant than them as they age and he gets better tho.


Tonight against Seattle

39pts 16reb 5blks. What doesn't Howard do well on both ends?

It was Seattle bro. the worst team in the league, with Kurt Thomas as their starting center. Lets get a little perspective here. I'm not saying Dwight isn't a freak of nature, and incredibly dominant, but if you can be an owner for 1 year, and you have to pick between Dwight, KG, and TD, Dwight comes out last. Hes not on their level yet, but hes breathing down their necks, and is exciting to watch as he develops.
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