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Growing tired of Q's wise man comments
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nixluva
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11/21/2007  11:23 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by martin:
Posted by VDesai:

I think sometimes Q plays lazy and falls in love with the 3. He just sort of camps out there.

could be that he is trying to spread the floor for his 2 big men. It's a chicken and egg thing. Q is a power guard.... should he post up or let Curry Zbo get the ball in the post.

Ball movement is not there. Cutting is not there. Pick and roll doesn't even exist.

This is what has been bugging me. If you look at the times this team has been successful, it has been the games where we got full team involvement in the offense. Guys are moving and cutting and the team is passing the ball quickly and decisively. Now due to what I believe is Isiah panicking, the team has slowed everything down so much and oversimplified the offense and it can't work like that. There's no deception and defenses have no problems clogging up the paint and making it impossible to score inside. We need to get back to the guards attacking, guys setting picks and guys moving. make the defense work. Many have said this before, but don't always make Curry the primary. Let him and even Zach and Lee, get some easy looks off of guard penetration. Drive and dish, pick and rolls, give and go... it's not that hard. I blame this on Isiah, cuz these players are more than capable of doing these things, but they're obviously being told to focus on only one thing and so we've lost all the continuity and flow to the offense.

in the 1st 3 games you saw the higher FG% and the higher Assists. That wasn't a fluke that was the team playing to it's strengths. I don't know what we've been doing recently, but it's not the offense that we expected to see or that we MUST play to succeed.

OH YEAH I almost forgot. PLAY CHANDLER OVER Q!!!! We've seen what Q can do, how about giving the kid a long look?

[Edited by - nixluva on 11-21-2007 10:58 AM]

It's because the guards don't know how to run a team, can't run the team and don't know how to kick-start the offense. The ball is in Marbury and Crawford's hands and those 2 keep ****ing up.
I wouldn't argue that, but at a certain point the coach has to pull the team together and explain to them what needs to be done to get things going. It's the way this works. Teams often get off track during the course of a game and it's the coach who stops play and gets them back on track. Isiah didn't do that. He couldn't figure out how to get the message across. They kept coming back out and looking exactly the same.

From what I can gather, he must have been telling the guards to just get it inside and that got translated into just throw it in and stand there. How about some sets that didn't start and end the exact same way? Try something different to throw the opposing D off. I didn't see that, did you? I was specifically paying attention to what they did when they came back out and for the most part they didn't really do much. How about going with a pick and roll 2 man game with Zach and Steph or Jamal? What happened to the nice Curl play or perhaps having the defense chase Jamal a la Rip Hamilton. Do something to force the D to react and then slip Curry or Zach into the paint for easy buckets.

Q is a problem, cuz at this point he's basically a lowercase Balkman without the athleticism and speed. He can't shoot right now and he does little else except rebound and defend a bit. It's time to get Chan in there. Q may be done or maybe he's just not all the way back, but whatever it is, he's not getting it done.
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11/21/2007  11:25 AM
Nix, it's never occurred to you that the problem just might be the players, since afterall we have had 4 different coaches under these players?
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11/21/2007  11:32 AM
Gee- is it Q that says the right things because he was actually on a winning basketball team (Phoenix) prior to coming here? And that Malik! He says a lot of the same stuff?

Q is busted- elbow, back.

I agree with Nixluva - Start & play Chandler- see what the Mayor has to offer...
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11/21/2007  11:47 AM
Posted by Panos:

He's had half a good season since he's gotten here. Why is this news to anyone?

He should get at least a full good season under his belt before we start judging him.
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nixluva
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11/21/2007  11:51 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Nix, it's never occurred to you that the problem just might be the players, since afterall we have had 4 different coaches under these players?

Perhaps if this was the exact same team as then you'd have a point, but everyone here that keeps talking about this team as if it's been the same group all this time are wrong. Only Steph has been here for all 4 coaches. Jamal and Malik for 3. Everyone else is pretty much just LB and Zeke. This team has been almost completely remade.

Q so far hasn't been playing like he did last year and he's pretty banged up. Why not let Chan play. He's healthy, more talented and would seem like just what we need at the SF spot. If we went with Chan at least we'd be fighting fire with fire. Instead of all the mismatches we keep ending up with.
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11/21/2007  12:10 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I respectfully disagree. From my point of view, I'm less concerned with playing well and more concerned with playing hard. Q, Balk, Lee and Collins are not playing well and none of them have for extended periods of time.

And yet I feel all four "get it"

Get what? How to get an asswhipping on a nightly basis?
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11/21/2007  12:21 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Bippity10:

I respectfully disagree. From my point of view, I'm less concerned with playing well and more concerned with playing hard. Q, Balk, Lee and Collins are not playing well and none of them have for extended periods of time.

And yet I feel all four "get it"

Get what? How to get an asswhipping on a nightly basis?

That's exactly what they are learning right now. You are 100% correct. Time to change the culture before we lose this group as well.
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11/21/2007  12:33 PM
Everyone who thinks Q is the biggest problem with this team, raise your hands....

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/21/2007  12:57 PM
Q should not be a starter. I like Fred Jones but the dude should have been traded with dickau for a real small fwd.

Q is a walking excuse. He should not be the Knicks starter. No freakin way.

Yeah Marbs is the biggest waste but don't make Q out to be this quality player. Q used to be a spot up shooter in pheonix so what's his problem?

The whole team sucks guys. Don't put Q on this imaginary pedistal. His idea of defending the 3 is standing under the basket.

now watch him drop 40pts tonight.
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11/21/2007  1:07 PM
q sucks...but he's way down on the problem list with this team.
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11/21/2007  1:08 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Q should not be a starter. I like Fred Jones but the dude should have been traded with dickau for a real small fwd.

Q is a walking excuse. He should not be the Knicks starter. No freakin way.

Yeah Marbs is the biggest waste but don't make Q out to be this quality player. Q used to be a spot up shooter in pheonix so what's his problem?

The whole team sucks guys. Don't put Q on this imaginary pedistal. His idea of defending the 3 is standing under the basket.

now watch him drop 40pts tonight.

I have not heard one person say that he is playing well. That isn't what we are talking about. But we need players like him that understand that they need to perform on the floor in order to gain respect. He has not once asked the fans for respect. He knows why they respond the way they do. Many on our team do not.
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11/21/2007  2:54 PM
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Growing tired of Q's wise man comments

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