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11/19/2007  11:58 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Zach doesn't fill a single need at all.

It will be looked at as one of the stupidest trades of the past 5 years (trumped only by the Curry trade).

Did we need rebounding - NO.

Did we need scoring or post offense - NO.

Did we need "talent" - NO.

Did we need a PF - NO.


I can't say I agree with that 100%. What role did Francis have on this team? What would Channing Frye have added? We also lacked production at the PF spot and while Randolph has been inefficent. He definatly put up #s. So one could say a 26yr old putting up 22-10 is worth the shot.

What I can agree with is that Francis contract would end in 09. So we are eating an extra 33mil with Randolph. If we still don't make playoffs or win a good amount of games in the next few yrs the it would have been better to buy out Francis and save 33mil.
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11/19/2007  11:58 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Zach doesn't fill a single need at all.

It will be looked at as one of the stupidest trades of the past 5 years (trumped only by the Curry trade).

Did we need rebounding - NO.

Did we need scoring or post offense - NO.

Did we need "talent" - NO.

Did we need a PF - NO.




And that's really the bottom line isn't it. No one cares if you win a trade on talent if it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Sure, the Heat could trade Wade for Yao, but why the **** would you do that?


Portland accomplished something - TO GET CAP SPACE, A SMALL CHIP, AND GET RID OF A POISON.

What the hell did we accomplish?

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 19-11-2007 11:52 PM]

With this trade we get close to Isiah firing and blowing this team out...
You never know how it will work out at the end.
Isiah was poised to self-destruct but this move can speed it up significantly




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11/20/2007  12:01 AM
Yea, but I don't take solace in knowing that. Isiah was simply being himself, which, from the beinning of time, was a magnanomous spinjobbin prick.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/20/2007  12:05 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Yea, but I don't take solace in knowing that. Isiah was simply being himself, which, from the beinning of time, was a magnanomous spinjobbin prick.

This is what Dolan was looking for.
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11/20/2007  12:07 AM
look on the bright side... we added another tradeable contract to our roster.
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11/20/2007  12:18 AM
Posted by TMS:

look on the bright side... we added another tradeable contract to our roster.

Is it?
4 years/61 mill and questionable character...
I doubt it.
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11/20/2007  12:22 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Zach doesn't fill a single need at all.

It will be looked at as one of the stupidest trades of the past 5 years (trumped only by the Curry trade).

Did we need rebounding - NO.

Did we need scoring or post offense - NO.

Did we need "talent" - NO.

Did we need a PF - NO.




And that's really the bottom line isn't it. No one cares if you win a trade on talent if it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Sure, the Heat could trade Wade for Yao, but why the **** would you do that?


Portland accomplished something - TO GET CAP SPACE, A SMALL CHIP, AND GET RID OF A POISON.

What the hell did we accomplish?

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 19-11-2007 11:52 PM]

You are looking at the short term...
We have drafted a solid core of selfless, defensively talented players the last two years...
(Renaldo Balkman F, Wilson Chandler SF, Mardy Collins PG, Randolph Morris FC)

If you have 5 star quality players that play together, you will compete for a title.

Right now we have a PF, a potential C (Curry or Lee; either will be a star player within the next 3 years) and we have a solid defensively tough young core for the future...

We are essentially a star PG away from competing for an Eastern title... I really believe it!

You put Kidd, Paul, Williams, Nash etc. on this squad and this team would compete for the title in the East... no doubt.

*bury's lack of tenacity and leadership has stalled the progress and development of this squad for the past 3 years... his defensive inadequacies, lack of leadership and inability to put it together closing out games sets the tone for losing basketball each game.

additionally, *bury makes no one on this squad a better player!
Put a star PG who leads on D and this squad will compete with anyone out of the east (with the exception of maybe Boston).
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11/20/2007  12:22 AM
One thing the presence of Zach is supposed to do for us, in theory, is reduce or eliminate the double and triple teaming of curry. I expect that to happen, but it's only a good thing if guards can get the ball to eddy and exploit it.

If we can get Zach and Eddy both scoring near 20ppg it should be a good thing. But Zach dominating the offense, launching lots of shots to score at a low efficiency rate, will do little for us. Heck, Crawford can shoot at 40% if that's what we want.
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11/20/2007  12:30 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

One thing the presence of Zach is supposed to do for us, in theory, is reduce or eliminate the double and triple teaming of curry. I expect that to happen, but it's only a good thing if guards can get the ball to eddy and exploit it.

If we can get Zach and Eddy both scoring near 20ppg it should be a good thing. But Zach dominating the offense, launching lots of shots to score at a low efficiency rate, will do little for us. Heck, Crawford can shoot at 40% if that's what we want.

David Lee's fg% has been awful this year... and he is a high % player.
If David would have converted basktes as he has the last 2 years, this team would have 3 more wins!

Ths team has been in disarray, but make no mistake, there is an abundance of talented players that care about winning on this squad, all they need is a real leader that will lead by example and make people around him better... i.e. a complete PG.
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11/20/2007  12:37 AM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by BlueSeats:

One thing the presence of Zach is supposed to do for us, in theory, is reduce or eliminate the double and triple teaming of curry. I expect that to happen, but it's only a good thing if guards can get the ball to eddy and exploit it.

If we can get Zach and Eddy both scoring near 20ppg it should be a good thing. But Zach dominating the offense, launching lots of shots to score at a low efficiency rate, will do little for us. Heck, Crawford can shoot at 40% if that's what we want.

David Lee's fg% has been awful this year... and he is a high % player.
If David would have converted basktes as he has the last 2 years, this team would have 3 more wins!

Ths team has been in disarray, but make no mistake, there is an abundance of talented players that care about winning on this squad, all they need is a real leader that will lead by example and make people around him better... i.e. a complete PG.

Absolutely... But how this is related to Zack?
Is it logical to get this hypotetical LEADER first and then look for complimentary Zacks and Eddys? And does it make sense to mortgage all you future on complimentary players?






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11/20/2007  2:04 AM
Posted by colorfl1:


You put Kidd, Paul, Williams, Nash etc. on this squad and this team would compete for the title in the East... no doubt.


Zach would never last with a real leader around. A guy like Kidd or Nash or Paul would not be game for his off the court antics or his me-1st attitude on offense.

Why do you think Brandon Roy outed him?

He is who he is. Just like Marbury is who he is. He's making millions of dollars - what true incentive does he have to change?

There was a report on the trip home to Indy for the funeral he stopped off at a strip joint. Same ol' Randolph...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/20/2007  6:03 AM
"Breath of fresh air" and anything involving the Knicks don't belong in the same sentence. They haven't all decade.
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11/20/2007  7:48 AM
I like Zach

From NYT

Lost in all of last week’s drama was that the Knicks have rarely been at full strength during this six-game losing streak. Zach Randolph missed three games, and was emotionally drained for two others, after the death of his grandmother.

“When you look at our week in terms of basketball, we lost four games out on the road,” Thomas said. “Two of the games we had a chance to win. But we played good basketball out on the road.”

The major exception was a 115-83 loss in Denver on Saturday, which Thomas chalked up to fatigue. The Knicks played a double-overtime game in Sacramento a night earlier.
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11/20/2007  8:15 AM
I can picture Isiah coming up with excuses for each one of our sixty losses this year because we were never playing under *ideal* circumstances.
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11/20/2007  8:29 AM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by colorfl1:


You put Kidd, Paul, Williams, Nash etc. on this squad and this team would compete for the title in the East... no doubt.


Zach would never last with a real leader around. A guy like Kidd or Nash or Paul would not be game for his off the court antics or his me-1st attitude on offense.

Why do you think Brandon Roy outed him?

He is who he is. Just like Marbury is who he is. He's making millions of dollars - what true incentive does he have to change?

There was a report on the trip home to Indy for the funeral he stopped off at a strip joint. Same ol' Randolph...

Bobs talk about beating a dead horse. Let me see if I follow everyone acknowledges that Zach isn't franchise material okay fine we all agree.

We also agree that the Knicks have major issues to address the first being firing Isiah, 2nd being unloading Marbury, than on to the actual basketball stuff.

Okay next we all agree that Zach Randolph is hella of better player than Channing Frye was correct or am I wrong in assuming this?

I think we all would also agree that we have no true point guard and don't run particularly effective offensive sets


Finally almost everyone on the team with the exception of maybe Curry has shot poorly

Fine now my question to Bob is what do you expect under these circustances. The guy isn't a franchise player, the franchise is currently lacking in sort of supporting cast, and the franchise is a complete mess. Now please tell me what player in this league could come here RIGHT NOW with Isiah and Marbury (still polluting everything they touch) and would be effective in turning this team around? Wait what player in his right mind would want to be here with this mess?
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11/20/2007  10:07 AM
Zack is not a breath of anything, he is an empty stat line that doesn't change the pace of the game, nor does he help you win games. this team sucks face it zach was not a worth while acquisition unless he can be moved for something which is doubtful.

He would be good on a team like the bobcats too bad they don't have anything to offer, even the bulls i would take virtually anything they offered. A resigned pj brown and noah or thomas would suffice
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11/20/2007  10:28 AM
Bitty I havent seen a worse cancer on a team since Steve Burtt played at a really bad basketball school called Iona. Zach makes no one better and has a terrible contract to trade.
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11/20/2007  10:37 AM
I really can't believe the offbase opinions of Zach i'm reading. The guy is not even playing as well a he can and is still a top rebounder in the league and when he's not dead tired and rusty from not playing, burying a love one and flying cross country, he's a top offensive player too.

He hasn't done anything cancer like so that tag doesn't apply. He's been giving max effort, so how is it that he's not a plus for this team when we get the other players doing their job right? You guys are freakin unbelievable. Just cuz the team is losing doesn't mean you have to paint everyone on the team in a bad light. PJ Brown, NOah and Thomas? You mean the same Noah and THomas who aren't helping their Bulls team to win? Give me a break. What is their excuse? What is the Nets excuse? Honestly if you can't understand why Zach isn't at his best then I can't help you.
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11/20/2007  10:40 AM
He hasn't done anything cancer like so that tag doesn't apply.
People are always on their best behavior in the beginning.
All he does well is rebound.
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11/20/2007  10:41 AM
Posted by King1:

Bitty I havent seen a worse cancer on a team since Steve Burtt played at a really bad basketball school called Iona. Zach makes no one better and has a terrible contract to trade.

If your talking about Steve Burtt Jr your nuts. He was a big reason why Iona was even playing against LSU.

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