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djsunyc
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11/18/2007  7:52 PM
mardy - no way. that offense relies heavily on their guards to find open men...and they have to score as well. mardy has no place on that team.
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11/18/2007  7:54 PM
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11/18/2007  8:00 PM
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Calderon gets killed on defense, which is the reason he only plays 20mpg

There aren't too many good defensive backup point guards in this league.

we have one in Mardy they may be interested in... Brevin Knight's a good defender too at the backup position, & he's a FA next season.

They don't need to replace Calderon, they'll probably use a combination of Juan Dixon/Joey Graham/Humphries/pick to get a 1 or 2yr rental player on low salary/future picks/TE(s). The only scenario I see them ridding themselves of Calderon is in DJ's example for Lee. Another reason he'll be retained IMO is because of his strong chemistry with the international players on their team. Calangelo would be dumb to get rid of him because he feels forced, which they aren't in that position.
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11/18/2007  8:08 PM
We need Derrick Rose or Eric Gordon...if we keep losing that is
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11/18/2007  9:52 PM
Calderon's not great and on D, but of course he's not gonna play more than 20 mpg behind an excellent PG like TJ Ford. And he's not a 2 so he's not gonna be used that way. Give him some minutes and while he's not gonna shut down people he's enough of an asset offensively in getting people involved where you're not gonna worry about it that much.
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11/18/2007  9:59 PM
I was going to post this exact thread earlier today but got tied up at work. I think Calderon is about 90% of what we need. The only drawback is his defense, but his offensive efficiency I think makes up for it. If Nash can be the league MVP playing no defense, Calderon can certainly be successful. A Lee for Calderon trade would work for both teams IMO.

Toronto needs rebounding and Lee would instantly become their best rebounder. Plus, he is smart enough to fit within their system and can pass the rock.

Calderon would give us a legitimate pass-first point guard who could maximize the talent of Curry, who really needs someone to make competent passes for him to really dominate. Calderon is a solid outside shooter too, which is an added bonus.

People might not like giving up lee, but Toronto traded a talent forward to the Bucks for Ford and you see how that worked out for them. This is the deal we have to do.


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11/18/2007  10:22 PM
They might be more inclined to trade Ford. His back injury was so severe it is amazing that he is still able to play. I think they would be afraid to trade Calderon. I agree that he is a tremendous talent and I think at the end of last season he was splitting time with Ford. However, if Ford is your starter you need a guy like Calderon for when he gets hurt.
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11/19/2007  6:37 AM
The Pg the knicks should go after with no controversey involved is Sergio Rodriguez in Portland.

Brandon Roy is all world and Jarret Jack is having a great season coming off the bench. Steve Blake starts because he's a veteran pass 1st pg.

Rodriguez is just what the knicks need.

,11 Sergio Rodriguez, PG
Height/Weight: 6-3/168
Birthdate: 06/12/1986
Birthplace: Tenerife, Spain
Team: Portland
College: No College
NBA Experience: 1


As for toronto, Calderon is a good pg but he alone blew the 1st rd of the playoffs when he couldn't complete a simple over the top entry pass to chris bosh as bosh sealed RJ and was wide open for a dunk or lay up and RJ jumped up and intercepted the ball because he threw up a timid pass in the closing seconds.

Calderon will never unseast TJ FORD at the pg position unless of injury.

Toronto needs a rebounder like a reggie evans and they would be fine.

Json Kapono will not produce like he did in Miami, the Shaq Factor is what made him look so good as the heat went oon to their championship run.

Ive watched kapono shoot airballs/ wide open no-contested shots at crucial times in games already this yr.

Former Euro league MVP Anthony Parker shoots the 3 better than he does.

[Edited by - playa2 on 19-11-2007 06:47]
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11/19/2007  7:26 AM
Calderon killed on defense??? I pretty much disagree. I think he is pretty solid in that part of the game. I dont know if he is what we need though. The Raptors have shooters and we dont, and thats the reason he and Ford got so many assists.

Sergio Rodriguez, while talented, is at the moment just a turnover machine. He is FAR from being a complete NBA player, and, unlike Calderon, his defense is very poor. I think the guy has a lot of talent but I have always had doubts about his mental approach to the game.
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11/19/2007  7:38 AM
Sergio gets no playing time to get aquainted to the pro NBA game in Portland, too many guys a head of him.

I've watched sergio play and I like what i see.

The knicks need a diffrent kind of tempo setter that's on this current roster.
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11/19/2007  8:08 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Calderon gets killed on defense, which is the reason he only plays 20mpg

his defense is pretty bad...but mainly b/c tj is just better.

TJ Ford scored 29 points for the Raptors (5-5), who have won just twice in six tries at home this season. Ford added eight assists and six rebounds.

"He's a handful," Warriors coach Nelson said of Ford. "He's as close to (Steve) Nash as anyone I've seen." NUFF SAID !
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11/19/2007  8:11 AM
I agree the team needs need that, but I tell you New york is not the best place for S. Rodriguez to shine with the inconsistent way of play he has now. You saw him this summer playing for Spain? He was lost all the time, bad shots, bad turnovers, bad decisions made...
Of course he needs playing time to develop into a good nba player and McMillan has not liked him since day one. I just cant see him getting playing time nor the fans patience here. He looks like a very very poor mans old Jason Williams (in his early Sacramento days).
Anyway, hehe, of course, although Im not optimistic, I would welcome having him with us! To me it is kind of difficult to be a worse PG than Crawford, Nate or the late Marbury.
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11/19/2007  9:10 AM
Posted by playa2:

The Pg the knicks should go after with no controversey involved is Sergio Rodriguez in Portland.

Brandon Roy is all world and Jarret Jack is having a great season coming off the bench. Steve Blake starts because he's a veteran pass 1st pg.

Rodriguez is just what the knicks need.

,11 Sergio Rodriguez, PG
Height/Weight: 6-3/168
Birthdate: 06/12/1986
Birthplace: Tenerife, Spain
Team: Portland
College: No College
NBA Experience: 1


As for toronto, Calderon is a good pg but he alone blew the 1st rd of the playoffs when he couldn't complete a simple over the top entry pass to chris bosh as bosh sealed RJ and was wide open for a dunk or lay up and RJ jumped up and intercepted the ball because he threw up a timid pass in the closing seconds.

Calderon will never unseast TJ FORD at the pg position unless of injury.

Toronto needs a rebounder like a reggie evans and they would be fine.

Json Kapono will not produce like he did in Miami, the Shaq Factor is what made him look so good as the heat went oon to their championship run.

Ive watched kapono shoot airballs/ wide open no-contested shots at crucial times in games already this yr.

Former Euro league MVP Anthony Parker shoots the 3 better than he does.

[Edited by - playa2 on 19-11-2007 06:47]

I agree with all this. Sergio rodriguez is gonna rot in portland. he's clearly better than anybody ahead of him there not named roy. I can totally see him playing with craw in the backcourt.

Sergio is kinda like Skip Alston in a way cuz he is a flashy dude and that got him benched most of his prime years.

Caldron for lee could rock, but how can the knicks get a small fwd as well? Garbosa maybe?

Or sergio and travis outlaw for lee and whoever.
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11/19/2007  9:56 AM
I have not watched Sergio play enough to have firm opinion, but "Jason Williams in his Sacro days" is not my idea of the perfect pg for us. I would like someone more fundamental. All we need is a guy who can make an entry pass, create a few offense opportunities through penetration and who can competently read a defense and see a play develop. Calderon has shown me he can do all that and shoot.

The only plus with Rodriguez is we can probably get him cheaper. We certainly would not have to give up Lee to get him. Portland has like 4 pgs and another pg they draft still over in Europe. We might be able to get Rodriguez just for $3 mill in cash and a future 2nd round pick.
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11/19/2007  10:02 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I have not watched Sergio play enough to have firm opinion, but "Jason Williams in his Sacro days" is not my idea of the perfect pg for us. I would like someone more fundamental. All we need is a guy who can make an entry pass, create a few offense opportunities through penetration and who can competently read a defense and see a play develop. Calderon has shown me he can do all that and shoot.

The only plus with Rodriguez is we can probably get him cheaper. We certainly would not have to give up Lee to get him. Portland has like 4 pgs and another pg they draft still over in Europe. We might be able to get Rodriguez just for $3 mill in cash and a future 2nd round pick.

Damn man, I think we are out of 2nd round picks after Demetris and that other dude from LAC.
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11/19/2007  10:06 AM
Posted by martin:



Damn man, I think we are out of 2nd round picks after Demetris and that other dude from LAC.

Don't sound so disappointed Martin, we put them to good use... oh wait, nevermind.
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11/19/2007  10:11 AM
Substance over style.

I like Calderon cause he's a steady, mistake free player. He picks his spots and takes good shots. Hits a high percentage and he doesn't turn the ball over while distributing it to his teammates.

Sergio is a talent but erratic. We've got that in spades over here.
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11/19/2007  10:12 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I have not watched Sergio play enough to have firm opinion, but "Jason Williams in his Sacro days" is not my idea of the perfect pg for us. I would like someone more fundamental. All we need is a guy who can make an entry pass, create a few offense opportunities through penetration and who can competently read a defense and see a play develop. Calderon has shown me he can do all that and shoot.

The only plus with Rodriguez is we can probably get him cheaper. We certainly would not have to give up Lee to get him. Portland has like 4 pgs and another pg they draft still over in Europe. We might be able to get Rodriguez just for $3 mill in cash and a future 2nd round pick.

sergio as a young jason williams , naw i don't see that .

This kid can run a team and produce , it's just a #'s game in portland.

NY needs a pg that brings with him no fan fare, no pressure like ward did in our title run.

Problem is isiah doesn't pick up euros



[Edited by - playa2 on 19-11-2007 10:14]
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11/19/2007  10:41 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

I have not watched Sergio play enough to have firm opinion, but "Jason Williams in his Sacro days" is not my idea of the perfect pg for us. I would like someone more fundamental. All we need is a guy who can make an entry pass, create a few offense opportunities through penetration and who can competently read a defense and see a play develop. Calderon has shown me he can do all that and shoot.

The only plus with Rodriguez is we can probably get him cheaper. We certainly would not have to give up Lee to get him. Portland has like 4 pgs and another pg they draft still over in Europe. We might be able to get Rodriguez just for $3 mill in cash and a future 2nd round pick.

Damn man, I think we are out of 2nd round picks after Demetris and that other dude from LAC.


The other, amazingly annoying thing is the 2nd round pick we traded for Nichols now looks like it is going to be a very high 2nd rounder- a borderline first.
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