You make some very good points Oohah. Kind of ****s up my whole point here. So with that' I'll just say 'what is the point then, of being a New York fan of anything here if thats' the way it's gonna be'? For a City that has nearly 50 championship teams, that can be traced all the way back to the late 1800's (baseball), I think you fail to appreciate what we have to build on here. And if I might add, the nearly 50 is a lot more than any other United State (and Canadian) team in any league. As a matter of fact, I think boston is second, with 30-something crowns. New York has a very rich history deep seeded in sports and yes 'we break them in'. You have a problem with that?
I don't see how past championships help the Knicks build anything. But if you can explain it to me, I'm all ears.
I really don't think running player after player and coach after coach out of town in every sport is the same thing as "breaking them in". Most of the time those same players and coaches go off and excel right after they leave here.
It really doesn't matter what I think of the putrid behavior of NYC sports fans. It is what it is: The New York Fan generally has an extremely short memory, is disloyal, and has irrational expectations. That is why superstar players like Ewing and Jeter, Clyde Frazier, etc. have all been booed here, and you don't get better sports stars than that.
You'd never know if Bynum would have survived here or not. But we'll never know, because we didn't get that chance. You make a point that Frye has thrived in Portland (barely), but the reason why that team is 1 game out of first, behind Denver is because of the entire team effort. Actually, it's more like 6, 7 guys ahead of him. In L.A., Bynum is one of three guys who put the team where they're at now. Don't be delusional. Tell ya what. In about another 20 games, I'll take another look at your theory and make comparisons again. If Frye was too fragile to play in New York (and that's the point you make) then I'm glad he's long gone. You'd have to be very stupid not to take Bynum and that's just what your boy Isiah did.
I don't know how you could have missed the point so badly. Frye had a very good rookie season. He played a role that wasn't fit for him last ear, and he wasn't nearly as bad at it as people made him out to be. He played shooting guard about as well as a 6'11' power forward could. I really don't see that he was too fragile to play in New York based on his numbers.
By characterizing Frye as "too fragile" to play here, you make my point for me. Frye's numbers were better than Bynum's over the past 2 seasons. So Based on Bynums numbers over his first 2 seasons, one can easily see that he would have been killed in the press, on basketball message boards, talk radio, whatever medium people think counts. He would have been called a bust after his less than 2 point, 2 rebound rookie season. And he got those numbers playing with the best player in the game and one of the best coaches in history.
I guess your theory is that had Bynum been playing in New York, he would have put up the numbers he is this season the last 2 seasons? Or is it that averaging less than 2 and 2, and last year 7 and 5, the fans would have gone easy on him?
Now who is delusional?
Further delusion is to think that the Laker's success has to do with 3 guys. It has to do with one guy: Kobe Bryant. You take him off that team and they are a 20 game winner, if they are lucky. And Bynum won't be open for alley-oop dunks all day because he wouldn't have Kobe taking 3 defensive players, so you can scratch off a lot of his effectiveness right there. And Odom has never been a team leader or able to bear the brunt of being the star at any point in his career.
oohah
12/29/2007 5:17 PM