Posted by arkrud:

Time to think about Brooklyn Nets?
I think the only power that can discorage Jimmy is fans.
If we will make his club insignificant he may concentrate only on his "Rock" band.

Wishfull thinking... There are too many Nixluvas around to do this...

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-18-2007 10:06 AM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by loweyecue:

I don't know about the others but I have no intention of rooting for anybody else. I'll just stopping watching basketball altogether. The Knicks are not just lousy they are irrelevant. No one gives a hoot about this team except knick fans and most of th real ones would have started doubting themselves by now. Anyone sticking up for this mess is NOT a knicks fan they may be Isiah fans or marbury fans but they are NOT Knick fans.

BS what makes a fan is someone who supports the team through thick and thin. right now things look bleak but they are never as bleak as you think it is. The Knicks have problems but they are fixable problems.

Supporting the team and rooting for the present GM and roster are two separate (and I believe mutually exclusive) ideas.

You want the players to fail so the GM is fired to me to ask for players to fail is just wrong just so you can be happy with the result I find that to be questionable fan.

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by loweyecue:

I don't know about the others but I have no intention of rooting for anybody else. I'll just stopping watching basketball altogether. The Knicks are not just lousy they are irrelevant. No one gives a hoot about this team except knick fans and most of th real ones would have started doubting themselves by now. Anyone sticking up for this mess is NOT a knicks fan they may be Isiah fans or marbury fans but they are NOT Knick fans.

BS what makes a fan is someone who supports the team through thick and thin. right now things look bleak but they are never as bleak as you think it is. The Knicks have problems but they are fixable problems.

I didn't say the problem wasn't fixable, I just don't think it can be fixed by the clowns in charge, because they are the problem.

Rooting for the team and drinking kool aid till you drop dead are not the same thing. Being a blind homer fan does not do anything for the team. When you see sh** like this play out and the people responsible for fixing it are the ones causing the problem and there is no way any one can hold them accountable then you have a situaton which CANNOT be fixed.

A problem like this does not fix itself and there is no reason in my mind to root for it to do so and no reagrdless of how you phrase it, it has nothing to do with being a true fan. You want the problem fixed then you need to get rid of about the entire leadership and more than half the players. And when it comes to that level, you are better of just moving on.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by loweyecue:

"Jim's going to continue to hold the power and whoever he brings in is going to have to kowtow to him," said a league source. "He won't give people total control. A guy like Jerry Colangelo will tell Jimmy to stay in his suite and stay out of his way because he's running things. But Jimmy would never agree to that. It's more important for him to be the man than it is to win. Winning is not the most important thing for Jim. If it was, he wouldn't have hired Isiah."

That's an important quote. Depressing.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by loweyecue:

"Jim's going to continue to hold the power and whoever he brings in is going to have to kowtow to him," said a league source. "He won't give people total control. A guy like Jerry Colangelo will tell Jimmy to stay in his suite and stay out of his way because he's running things. But Jimmy would never agree to that. It's more important for him to be the man than it is to win. Winning is not the most important thing for Jim. If it was, he wouldn't have hired Isiah."

That's an important quote. Depressing.

Which also gives credence to the fact I SAY UGH has never been working under a win or else ultimatum from Dolan at least not up until now. It may be growing by the day now. MSG/The Garden is still making money regardless of how much we lose which is staggering. Dolan has never came out publicly since I SAY UGH has been here and made a statement that it's very important for this team to make the playoffs. And although this franchise is receiving a ton of negative publicity and Dolan doesn't like it, one thing he probably hangs his hat on at the end of the day is that his franchise is the center of attention next to the Yankees, I'd say. I think I SAY UGH is working under his own merit/standard and to him it's important that the team makes the playoffs, but to Dolan it's thirdary or maybe fourthdary.

I still wonder what UGH means? If what was said about Dolan is true, then Isiah's been had from the beginning and Dolan is truely the problem. Maybe his pops is the real problem, seeing that he told Stern that Jim's not going anywhere.

Posted by loweyecue:

I don't know about the others but I have no intention of rooting for anybody else. I'll just stopping watching basketball altogether. The Knicks are not just lousy they are irrelevant. No one gives a hoot about this team except knick fans and most of th real ones would have started doubting themselves by now. Anyone sticking up for this mess is NOT a knicks fan they may be Isiah fans or marbury fans but they are NOT Knick fans.

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by sbensol74:

Anyone who is thinking about jumping ship for the Nets- go do it now. The real fans of this team dont want you.

I understand times are tough but a real fan would never switch teams for any reason. I know some of you may be joking, but if youre not- go have fun sitting in the fabulous "Izod center" or whatever its called today.

Also - it doesnt matter if you watch the game on tv or not, unless you have a neilson rating box, no one knows or cares what youre watching.

The only way to make a change around here is to boycot the games for a while. I'm a season ticket holder and my seats are not cheap - but I'd be willing to miss a few games in order to make a point to the ownership. We as true knick fans can sit on these message boards and complain about Dolan all we want, but nothing will ever happen. I think it's time for us fans to take a real hard stand or else nothing will ever change.

Season ticket holders had to return their tickets and demand money back...
Then this may get to Jimmy... But I am not so sure...

Papabear Says

There are too many Knicks lovers out there to do that. I am a Knicks lover but I don't like whats happening to my team. As I said before we need a franchise player and lets face it Kobe ain't coming to New York. I say stay the course and if we win only 20 games or so we will have a high pick in the lottery. It is the only way we can seal our future. Getting rid of Zeke and bringing in someone else will only be putting salt on the wound. So we win 33 games it gives us less chance of us getting a franchise player. Zeke picked up some very athletic players but you not only have to be a good player you must be a smart player. To see the Knicks over and over again make the same mistakes on defense tells me that they are not paying attention.
Hey New York is a rough town and It never sleeps. I heard that the majority of the Knicks players frequent certain clubs around town and should be at home getting some rest. This team looses games in the last 5 min of a game because they are not intelegent players they doing the same mistakes over and over again. Zeke picked this team and only he can lead us to the lottery franchise player. If we get another coach we just might win 5 - 10 more games and then we will be stuck. No franchise player and no playoff hopes. The damage is done and no one can come in this season to fix it. Zeke must now show what he is made of.

Papabear



[Edited by - Papabear on 11-19-2007 12:54 AM]