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Who'd You Rather Have - ZBO or DLEE?


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If you had to choose 1...
David Lee
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11/17/2007  11:15 AM
Tyson chandler type? It that the same as a marcus camby type?

Ok so dalembert is not going anywhere......get over it......other that him? Hilton Armstrong? Hornets don't need lee or zach with david west there(just dropped 40pts).


Any other bright ideas?
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11/17/2007  11:21 AM
Its not really fair to have this poll at this time. Lee just had his best game of the yr while Randolph is mourning the loss of his grandmother.

That said, Randolphs 41% from the field on 19attempts is UGLY. Both have there flaws. I love Randolphs efficency rebounding, I hate Randolphs efficency when it comes to shot attempts, shooting %, passing the ball, & turn overs.

I would probably go with Lee, he will be cheaper, and way more efficent. Shoots 50-60% from the field, 80+ form the Ft line, only commits under 2 turn overs. With a very good play making PG, Lee can be a 14-15pts 10-11reb guy with high percentages and low turnovers.
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11/17/2007  11:28 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:


I would probably go with Lee, he will be cheaper, and way more efficent. Shoots 50-60% from the field, 80+ form the Ft line, only commits under 2 turn overs. With a very good play making PG, Lee can be a 14-15pts 10-11reb guy with high percentages and low turnovers.
That's an understatement.
With a good play making point guard everybody on the team would be doing better........... .
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11/17/2007  11:45 AM
My money is on Zach. He's a beast and a true starting PF. Something we've been lacking for years.

I love Lee, but seriously... would you guys vote the same in a couple years if Lee STILL DOESN'T HAVE AN F'N JUMPER?! I've seen NO improvement in that area. He's a likable, rebounding, hustling, liability.
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11/17/2007  11:45 AM
The kings announcers were loving david lee, and basically said, this is why the kings can't trade artest to the knicks.. because lee's name is the focal point, and they said, he is really good, and really young.... and the knick are not moving him...

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11/17/2007  11:46 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Its not really fair to have this poll at this time. Lee just had his best game of the yr while Randolph is mourning the loss of his grandmother.

That said, Randolphs 41% from the field on 19attempts is UGLY. Both have there flaws. I love Randolphs efficency rebounding, I hate Randolphs efficency when it comes to shot attempts, shooting %, passing the ball, & turn overs.

I would probably go with Lee, he will be cheaper, and way more efficent. Shoots 50-60% from the field, 80+ form the Ft line, only commits under 2 turn overs. With a very good play making PG, Lee can be a 14-15pts 10-11reb guy with high percentages and low turnovers.

Your right......but who is easier to move? That's what this comes down to. In the other thread DJ said lee should have been moved when zach was traded.

Isiah is living and dying with his guys.....Q and marbs should have been upgraded.

Shoulda coulda woulda....
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11/17/2007  11:53 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Tyson chandler type? It that the same as a marcus camby type?

Ok so dalembert is not going anywhere......get over it......other that him? Hilton Armstrong? Hornets don't need lee or zach with david west there(just dropped 40pts).


Any other bright ideas?

Jakeem Noah. At the trade deadline if Ben Wallace still looks shot. I would trade ZBO for Noah & Wallace. Bulls get a young low post scorer and drop a Ben Wallace salary which his production probably won't match. Reunite the florida alum in Lee & Noah who would both be very actice/hustle players for our frontcourt.
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11/17/2007  11:57 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Its not really fair to have this poll at this time. Lee just had his best game of the yr while Randolph is mourning the loss of his grandmother.

That said, Randolphs 41% from the field on 19attempts is UGLY. Both have there flaws. I love Randolphs efficency rebounding, I hate Randolphs efficency when it comes to shot attempts, shooting %, passing the ball, & turn overs.

I would probably go with Lee, he will be cheaper, and way more efficent. Shoots 50-60% from the field, 80+ form the Ft line, only commits under 2 turn overs. With a very good play making PG, Lee can be a 14-15pts 10-11reb guy with high percentages and low turnovers.

Your right......but who is easier to move? That's what this comes down to. In the other thread DJ said lee should have been moved when zach was traded.

Isiah is living and dying with his guys.....Q and marbs should have been upgraded.

Shoulda coulda woulda....

All I was doing was answering the question of who I would rather have in that post. I wasn't saying what we should do in that post as far as that we should trade Randolph or who we should trade Randolph for. Though I was having fun with that thought in the post just before about Noah.
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11/17/2007  11:59 AM
Posted by tkf:

The kings announcers were loving david lee, and basically said, this is why the kings can't trade artest to the knicks.. because lee's name is the focal point, and they said, he is really good, and really young.... and the knick are not moving him...

That gives me a sour feeling cuz David Lee deserves to get the opportunity to play starters minutes. With Zach? No way would he get that opportunity as a Knick.

So should the knicks keep him just because? Did dolan say no?

All I know is zach and david are both awesome players. David is the prize everyone wants.....my thing is what can the knicks get? Sell high and make the knicks better.
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11/17/2007  12:00 PM
Posted by chislic:

My money is on Zach. He's a beast and a true starting PF. Something we've been lacking for years.

I love Lee, but seriously... would you guys vote the same in a couple years if Lee STILL DOESN'T HAVE AN F'N JUMPER?! I've seen NO improvement in that area. He's a likable, rebounding, hustling, liability.
Define "beast"

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11/17/2007  12:03 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by newyorknewyork:


I would probably go with Lee, he will be cheaper, and way more efficent. Shoots 50-60% from the field, 80+ form the Ft line, only commits under 2 turn overs. With a very good play making PG, Lee can be a 14-15pts 10-11reb guy with high percentages and low turnovers.
That's an understatement.
With a good play making point guard everybody on the team would be doing better........... .

Thats not really what I said, or my point, but I agree with you. I gave specific #s in which I would forsee Lee obtaining with a better PG. Even with an upgraded PG I would still probably choose Lee over Randolph since he sweeps the board(no pun intended) in terms of efficency even without a playmaking PG.
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11/17/2007  12:22 PM
The bulls coulda had z-bo but passed. Not sure if the knicks would be better with bum wallace, noah and lee. That would mean speeding up......maybe trading curry for a real athletic perimeter threat.......crazy.....that's where we are right now......AGAIN!
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11/17/2007  12:43 PM
is this a comparison of salary, personality, image and vicarious thrills...

...or an (cough) objective comparison of skill-sets and productivity?

you do your own math
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11/17/2007  12:50 PM
Lee by a landslide so far
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11/17/2007  12:56 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Tyson chandler type? It that the same as a marcus camby type?

Ok so dalembert is not going anywhere......get over it......other that him? Hilton Armstrong? Hornets don't need lee or zach with david west there(just dropped 40pts).


Any other bright ideas?

Knicks blew there opportunity to get Chandler on the cheap about 2 yrs ago when he was in Skiles doghouse (I had about 5-7 threads around that time offering up trades to get Chandler for Lee and Hardaway...)

There are other creative/cheap ways to get a pf/center hybrid who can complement Curry and Lee.
Just to name three possibilities:

Justin Williams is riding the bench in Sacto. Marb for Shareef and Justin.
Joakim Noah. Bulls are struggling, may want to shake things up.
Dan Gadzuric.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 17-11-2007 12:58 PM]
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11/17/2007  1:09 PM
Posted by Siar617:
Posted by arkrud:

Scoring is replaceable.
23 or 17 per is not a big difference.
Rebounding is good for both.
Defense is better by Lee but just by effort.
This just is why I like Lee better.
Also he is dependable 100% and he does so many small things to help team win.

when did dlee ever average 17 points
and when did he ever play d
you're just amking stuff up

Lee will have 17+ if he will start and play 35-40 min. No doubt about it. Ansd 12-14 RB.
His defense is not good but better that Zach. He has non.



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11/17/2007  1:26 PM
Lee is in his third year and he will get better because he works hard. He will get a dependable jumper and become a better defender. Zach has been in the league 6 years and with the body he has the older he gets the less effective he will be. You can have 20 and 13 from Zach or 14-12 from Lee. The difference is one makes 13 and Lee will make 7 million. That gives you 6 on a vet guard or someone else. Lee will never be the scorer Zach is but he will be more efficient and will be a nice role player.
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11/17/2007  1:43 PM
Posted by King1:

Lee is in his third year and he will get better because he works hard. He will get a dependable jumper and become a better defender. Zach has been in the league 6 years and with the body he has the older he gets the less effective he will be. You can have 20 and 13 from Zach or 14-12 from Lee. The difference is one makes 13 and Lee will make 7 million. That gives you 6 on a vet guard or someone else. Lee will never be the scorer Zach is but he will be more efficient and will be a nice role player.

King, I love Lee but lets be realistic here. How long has Lee been playing ball? I have a hard time believing that after, lets say, 10-15 years of playing hoops that a guy who has no jumper yet will get one in the near future. Defense I can better understand because some of that comes from court awareness, but even there, a lot of D is effort, and I don't know how much extra Lee can put into it.

The point is, I think Lee stands up reasonably well against Randolph because of the energy, leadership and intangiables he brings. I just don't believe we should expect a substantially different game from him as years go by. I think pretty much what we see is what we'll get.
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11/17/2007  2:12 PM
Karl Malone shot about 40% at the line his rookie year. Malone had a great jumper by the end of his career. Johnson and Jordan made the jumpers much better with hard work. Lee went from 59% to 80% free throw shooting. Yes I think he can do it. Is Zach jumper really that dependable he shots 43% and if you notice teams love when he shoots it
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