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11/14/2007  4:04 PM
Official statement from Alex Rodriguez

11/14/2007 3:27 PM ET

After spending time with Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization.

Prior to entering into serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees' ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness.

As a result, I reached out to the Yankees through mutual friends and conveyed that message. I also understand that I had to respond to certain Yankees concerns, and I was receptive and understanding of that situation.

Cynthia and I have since spoken directly with the Steinbrenner family. During these healthy discussions, both sides were able to share honest feelings and hopes with one another, and we expect to continue this dialogue with the Yankees over the next few days.
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11/14/2007  4:05 PM
TMS, I don't think either of us are saying the Twins will just hold on to him, because that would be stupid.

But I think there is a good chance Johan tests the FA market. After the big deals that guys like Zito have gotten, why would you not want to test the market? He might still be traded, but I'm not so convinced that he signs an extension. Is there a team crazy enough to trade for Santana knowing he won't sign an extension? Maybe. I could see a contender doing it just to win a World Series.

Johan is a smart guy though. He knows the Yankees want him and would offer him a ton of money. If I were him, I would want to wait till free agency and get offers from the Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox to drive up the price.
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11/14/2007  4:34 PM
i believe that any team willing to give up their top young talent to get Johan in a trade will demand a longterm extension come with it, & for a 28 yo lefty stud ace in his prime like Johan, i have to believe that he'll get at least a 7 year extension at about $18-$20 mil per easily whether he enters into free agency or not.
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11/15/2007  8:05 AM
A-Rod and Yankees talking 275 millions. I'll be all for that. We lost that money from Texas, so he should' make up for it. We will be knocking off 35 million, minus that 21 mill he lost us, so overall we will actually save 16 million overall from the original 310 million the Yankees where going to offer. I told you that he would have to come crawling back and he did. He knows he and Boras ****'d up! And I knew that him and Boras going after more money in the league wasn't going to fly. In looking at the present roster, I would have hated to lose his bat for the season at least.

So it's just about to all work out:
Hank & Hal save face
We get to keep A-Rod
And we get him back at a much lesser cost, which we could use the 16 mil to go after Santana?

Oh yeah!!!
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11/15/2007  8:50 AM
The initial offer was $310? I thought it was $242.
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11/15/2007  4:26 PM
Dear God. Please let him sign elsewhere. May-Rod stinks and he showed his hand by opting out. Now he blames $cott Bora$ for him not getting an even more ridiculous contract. A-Rod, if you were a star, you'd hit in the postseason. A-Rod is just in it for the money. He's *settling* for $275 million because no team would pay him more. After that stunt, my offer would be 5 years, $75 million. Take it or leave it, A-Hole.
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11/15/2007  7:15 PM
done deal. arod is back with the yanks. "If he opts out we will not negotiate!"(over and over) Yea right. Although I do think the Yankees need him and should be glad he came back, not sure if he had any other legit options(maybe there was collusion about a certain price at least).
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11/16/2007  7:53 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The initial offer was $310? I thought it was $242.

I read 310. I'll look for the source when I get a few minutes.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-16-2007 07:57 AM]
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11/16/2007  7:57 AM
Posted by jaydh:

done deal. arod is back with the yanks. "If he opts out we will not negotiate!"(over and over) Yea right. Although I do think the Yankees need him and should be glad he came back, not sure if he had any other legit options(maybe there was collusion about a certain price at least).

A-Rod had to crawl back, to get back in. It was the only way. Scott represented the bad part and A-Rod represented the good part. I'm okay with that. just as long as Hank didn't have to bend backwards. That's the most important part. That would have made Hank look real bad, especially right off the bat of his new position. Everything is intact and the best part is A-Rod crawling back. Again, I'm okay with that. Now if we can only get the SOB to hit the damn ball when it counts.
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11/16/2007  1:11 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The initial offer was $310? I thought it was $242.

I read 310. I'll look for the source when I get a few minutes.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-16-2007 07:57 AM]

the offer is rumored to be $275 mil over 10 years, w/marketing incentives that will raise the value to about $300 mil if he reaches certain milestones... the Yankees were rumored to have been willing to offer a $150 mil extension over 5 years before he opted out, which combined w/the $81 mil he had left on his contract came out to $231 mil over 8 seasons ($29 mil annual value)
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11/16/2007  1:16 PM
The annoying thing right know is Mo is trying to extract a 4th year. If he doesn't take that 3 yr / 45 mil offer we need to move on. That's more than fair, if not overpaying.
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11/16/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by VDesai:

The annoying thing right know is Mo is trying to extract a 4th year. If he doesn't take that 3 yr / 45 mil offer we need to move on. That's more than fair, if not overpaying.

It's not about fair to him right now. Fair would have been the Yanks re-negotiating a contract prior to the season when he wanted and probably would have been cheaper and more reasonable.
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11/16/2007  3:25 PM
i hope Mo gets every last penny he can milk out of the Yankees at this point... they were stupid not to negotiate an extension last year when they had the chance to begin with.
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11/16/2007  3:26 PM
Posted by TMS:

i hope Mo gets every last penny he can milk out of the Yankees at this point... they were stupid not to negotiate an extension last year when they had the chance to begin with.

I don't think it was that stupid. Mo developed elbow issues over the last couple of years and was 37. It made sense to wait and see whether he could get through another year healthy and whether other options would emerge.
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11/16/2007  3:32 PM
the Yankees knew the risks & they took it... now they have to be willing to pay the price to keep him... if it's gonna take a 4th year to hold onto Mo, then the Yankees better be willing to pay up... u cannot have Mo going to a team like the Muts or Dodgers.
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11/16/2007  3:36 PM
Posted by TMS:

the Yankees knew the risks & they took it... now they have to be willing to pay the price to keep him... if it's gonna take a 4th year to hold onto Mo, then the Yankees better be willing to pay up... u cannot have Mo going to a team like the Muts or Dodgers.

Mariano's in the driver's seat and he knows it. He'll get whatever offer he demands.
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11/16/2007  3:47 PM
They don't need to give Mo a 4th year. He's the greatest of all time- but right now he's closer to the rest than he's ever been. And realistically at 38, no other team in the MLB will offer him 4 years or even more money over 3 years. If he wants to move on the Yanks could always get a guy like Gagne for a who would only require a low-risk 1 yr deal and hope he can return to early season form while grooming a Sanchez/Ohlendorf/Melancon for the role.

But no one is gonna top the Yankees offer, so its pretty much moot.
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11/16/2007  4:25 PM
GAGNE??? omg, i'm about to puke at the mere mention of his name... he couldn't handle the Boston pressure, do u really think he'd be any different in a Yankee uniform?

btw, don't be so sure about no team being crazy enough to offer Mo a 4th year... Minaya lost out on the Posada hunt, & his biggest FA signing this winter can't be Yorbit Torrealba... he'd never hear the end of it... if he gets desperate, he could very well try to make a splash & land a bigname like Mo... he gave a gimpy ass Pedro a 4th year & that was clearly a moronic move to make... Mo's proven to be 1 of the most durable relievers in all of baseball over his career... offering him a 4th year is something i could easily see a team desperate to land a name this offseason doing... if it takes a 4th year to keep him, i think u have to give it to him.
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11/16/2007  4:29 PM
Mets will put all their eggs in the basket for Santana.

Gagne pitched well for Texas and apparently had some issues with fastball command once he went to Boston (rather than a physical issue or a loss of stuff). He's only going to get a 1 year deal because he has a lot to prove- that's what makes him attractive from the Yankee perspective. They can use him as a bridge to one of their younger guys until they become ready and if he's no good he's of little risk to them.
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11/16/2007  4:33 PM
Also Mo is not that durable anymore. He's had to miss time b/c of the elbow in each of the last couple years. Teams know that. He was a lot easier to hit this year... .248 BA against was 25 pts higher than last year. Could be a sign of his stuff getting easier to hit. I don't think any team will give him 4 years- if they do let him take it.
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