TMS wrote:at least we had this guy for a little while.

is that moochie?? i miss moochie.

nixluva wrote:All I know is that we will have a TON of options to remake this team so I'm gonna be interested to see how Donnie rebuilds this thing! We don't have to rely only on the FA market. Take a HUGE breath of fresh air cuz we don't know what it's like anymore to be able to make just about any deal you can think of due to having a ton of cap space. This ain't your Layden/zeke knicks anymore!

Like our first round draft pick this year - likely a top 3 pick

This team is screwed if we don't get Lebron. And I think even if we do, but at least he makes things interesting.

Fail to get Lebron, Summer 2010. DW under pressure from the big idiot overpays for marginal talent (aka, Joe Johnson, etc), locking up a good chunk of our cap moving forward.

2010/11 sees the knicks eek back into the 30's with wins, just enough to guarantee them another pick as good as Jordan Hill or Gallo. Hurray.

2011/12 seasons sees repeat performance. Repeat again, and again.

franco12 wrote:

nixluva wrote:All I know is that we will have a TON of options to remake this team so I'm gonna be interested to see how Donnie rebuilds this thing! We don't have to rely only on the FA market. Take a HUGE breath of fresh air cuz we don't know what it's like anymore to be able to make just about any deal you can think of due to having a ton of cap space. This ain't your Layden/zeke knicks anymore!

Like our first round draft pick this year - likely a top 3 pick

This team is screwed if we don't get Lebron. And I think even if we do, but at least he makes things interesting.

Fail to get Lebron, Summer 2010. DW under pressure from the big idiot overpays for marginal talent (aka, Joe Johnson, etc), locking up a good chunk of our cap moving forward.

2010/11 sees the knicks eek back into the 30's with wins, just enough to guarantee them another pick as good as Jordan Hill or Gallo. Hurray.

2011/12 seasons sees repeat performance. Repeat again, and again.

Joe Johnson is a hell of a good basketball player. No, he's not worth a max contract but he's a guy that makes us much better right away. Maybe you get a Joe Johnson, Amare reunion here.

Overpaid talent is better than no talent. Also you can move talent later. Also if you add a couple guys you have Curry and JJ's contracts to use in money deals if the Knicks are then willing to take salary back on

options options options

100 months (100 months,100 months. Wo-o-o-o)
And it's the same -
The same (wo-o-o-o) philosophy
I've said it's one hundred months;
(100 months,100 months. Wo-o-o-o)
Look, how long (wo-o-o-o)
And the people they (wo-o-o-o) still can't see.
Why do they fight against the point guards of today?
And without these guards, they would be gone -
All gone astray

Come on, let's make a move:
(make a move, make a move. Wo-o-o-o, wo-o-o-o)
I can (wo-o-o-o) see time (wo-o-o-o) - time has come,
And if-a fools don't see
(fools don't see, fools don't see. Wo-o-o-o)
I can't save the Knicks:
The youth guard corps (wo-o-o-o) is gonna be strong.
So, won't you come with me;
I'll take you to a land of liberty
Where we can live - with a good point guard
And be free.

Look how long: 100 months, (100 months, 100 months) -
Way too long! (wo-o-o-o)
That's the reason my people (wo-o-o-o) - my people can't see.
Said, it's one hundred long months - (100 months,100 months. Wo-o-o-o)
Give me patience (wo-o-o-o) - same philosophy.

It's been 100 months, (100 months, 100 months)
Wait so long! Wo-o-o-o, wo-o-o-o.
How long? 100 long, long months.

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:Overpaid talent is better than no talent. Also you can move talent later.

we need to be real careful who we decide to spend the big bucks on, or else we'll end up right back where we were before stuck w/a couple of huge albatross contracts on our book that will be tough to unload... just putting together overpaid talent is not better than having no talent at all IMO... u have to make sure that talent fits together & complements one another, & u have to also make sure those players are the right type of players character wise that u wanna invest in over the longterm... i'm not saying guys like Joe Johnson & Amare Stoudamire don't fit the mold, just making a general statement... i don't wanna come out of this offseason w/Rudy Gay & Carlos Boozer eating up our salary cap for the next 5-6 years for example... i'd rather wait another year & tank for 2011 when we'll have the cap space to pursue Melo & also have our lottery pick in that case.

TMS- I agree with you. we've already seen what overpaid talent looks like: crawford, curry, zach and marbury.

chances are we miss out on lebron. i'd rather watch our summer league roster from 1 year ago and win 15 games and get a top pick that lands us a franchise talent, than max out on joe johnson and amare and be locked in to five years of 40 win seasons.

this isn't baseball and we aren't the yankees. there is a right way to build a championship caliber team, and then there is cheating- trying to take a short cut, cheating fans out of any hope of a championship, but instead teasing them with the play offs.

call me greedy, but i'd rather wait.

TMS wrote:

Uptown wrote:Okay, to play devils advocate....lets say Lebron remains in Cleve and we pass up an opportunity to sign Amare and Rudy Gay and wait on the summer of 2011. What if Melo decides to stay put aswell? Then what? How long do we wait? Are going to keep waiting to chase the top freeagent each summer only to be left at the alter constantly?

that all depends on the development of our other guys at the time... right now i don't think adding Amare & Rudy Gay to our current surrounding cast will net us any championships anytime soon... all that would make us is another playoff also ran & we'll be mired in mediocrity for another 5 years plus 5 more because we'll end up getting crappy draft picks over that time as well

IMO u need a PG like Nash to make a Rudy Gay / Amare combo worthwhile... just getting those 2 guys w/o the catalyst is like having a bowl of corn flakes w/o the milk... hopefully Donnie can figure out some way to get Rubio to NY... if we could do that then i'd feel alot better about going after someone like Rudy Gay at near max dollars.

I dont disagree but one thing to remember is we have an owner who is willing to spend. Once you get a guy in here that yout think you can build around, then you can overspend. If someone like Monte Ellis becomes available, we would be one of the few teams that can absorb that contract just as he would be a good mix with the players we sign, be it Joe Johnson, Gay or Amare.....

Uptown wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:Overpaid talent is better than no talent. Also you can move talent later.

we need to be real careful who we decide to spend the big bucks on, or else we'll end up right back where we were before stuck w/a couple of huge albatross contracts on our book that will be tough to unload... just putting together overpaid talent is not better than having no talent at all IMO... u have to make sure that talent fits together & complements one another, & u have to also make sure those players are the right type of players character wise that u wanna invest in over the longterm... i'm not saying guys like Joe Johnson & Amare Stoudamire don't fit the mold, just making a general statement... i don't wanna come out of this offseason w/Rudy Gay & Carlos Boozer eating up our salary cap for the next 5-6 years for example... i'd rather wait another year & tank for 2011 when we'll have the cap space to pursue Melo & also have our lottery pick in that case.

TMS- I agree with you. we've already seen what overpaid talent looks like: crawford, curry, zach and marbury.

chances are we miss out on lebron. i'd rather watch our summer league roster from 1 year ago and win 15 games and get a top pick that lands us a franchise talent, than max out on joe johnson and amare and be locked in to five years of 40 win seasons.

this isn't baseball and we aren't the yankees. there is a right way to build a championship caliber team, and then there is cheating- trying to take a short cut, cheating fans out of any hope of a championship, but instead teasing them with the play offs.

call me greedy, but i'd rather wait.

Okay, to play devils advocate....lets say Lebron remains in Cleve and we pass up an opportunity to sign Amare and Rudy Gay and wait on the summer of 2011. What if Melo decides to stay put aswell? Then what? How long do we wait? Are going to keep waiting to chase the top freeagent each summer only to be left at the alter constantly?

The key, to me, is getting a franchise, championship caliber talent. If we can't get that through FA, then we need to wait until we can land such in the draft.

Nets get healthy, get the no.1 pick AND sign Lebron and Bosch.

Lopez
Bosch
Lebron
Courtney Lee
Harris

Oh, John Wall?

You got trade possibilities to fill in all the blanks off the bench. Nets can even trade the no. 1 pick for what ever lebron needs.

Fear the Russian!

My hopes are with the knicks, but the Nyets have some crazy potential. Their lease in the swamp is crazy cheap and fill it with Lebron and it will sell out. The Russian don't need the money but a crazy team in the Meadowlands will draw ENOUGH until the arena is done in Brooklyn.