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11/14/2007  7:52 AM
Posted by BigC:

I think you are making excuses for Lee's poor play. He is not injuried. Jamal had a major surgery are you going to say he is still injuried also?

What you have is the results of scouting reports. Also the pf position in the NBA is stacked. YOu have many defensive minded players. The starting position is completely different than coming off the bench with fresh legs. Teams are no longer sleeping on Lee. Lee normally plays against other bench players so it is easier for him to shine. Playing against starters is a whole different ball game.

I am worried you might be right. how long does it take to recover from a stress reaction?
other players seem to be really playing him hard, bodying up and being physical. he's looking around for the ref to make a call- i'm thinking he should be getting some.
he might need to adapt to the play.

might be mental still with the injury and he doesn't have his motor in gear..

it sure would help if his open 15 fters would start going down.
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11/14/2007  8:05 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by BigC:

I think you are making excuses for Lee's poor play. He is not injuried. Jamal had a major surgery are you going to say he is still injuried also?

What you have is the results of scouting reports. Also the pf position in the NBA is stacked. YOu have many defensive minded players. The starting position is completely different than coming off the bench with fresh legs. Teams are no longer sleeping on Lee. Lee normally plays against other bench players so it is easier for him to shine. Playing against starters is a whole different ball game.

David Lee got exposed to whatn he really is...a hustle hardworking white guy who played center in college and knows how to reb a little in the pros.
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11/14/2007  9:14 AM
Posted by BigC:

I think you are making excuses for Lee's poor play. He is not injuried. Jamal had a major surgery are you going to say he is still injuried also?

What you have is the results of scouting reports. Also the pf position in the NBA is stacked. YOu have many defensive minded players. The starting position is completely different than coming off the bench with fresh legs. Teams are no longer sleeping on Lee. Lee normally plays against other bench players so it is easier for him to shine. Playing against starters is a whole different ball game.


Perhaps Zach Randolph is a clearly superior player to David Lee than people want to admit

Either way. Lee needs to find a dependable spot on the floor to take a jump shot and stop getting his layups blocked
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11/14/2007  9:18 AM
David Lee looks different this year. Whether it's physical or mental, I don't know.

Maybe he just misses Channing.
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11/14/2007  9:24 AM
BasketballJones - you ever heard of a sophomore slump?
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11/14/2007  9:26 AM
Posted by misterearl:

BasketballJones - you ever heard of a sophomore slump?

junior slump, right?
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11/14/2007  9:28 AM
exactly

junior... schmoonior. a slump is a slump.

Hopefully, Lee will work his way out of it. Did I mention that I love David Lee?

[Edited by - misterearl on 11-14-2007 09:29 AM]
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11/14/2007  9:32 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by BigC:

I think you are making excuses for Lee\'s poor play. He is not injuried. Jamal had a major surgery are you going to say he is still injuried also?

What you have is the results of scouting reports. Also the pf position in the NBA is stacked. YOu have many defensive minded players. The starting position is completely different than coming off the bench with fresh legs. Teams are no longer sleeping on Lee. Lee normally plays against other bench players so it is easier for him to shine. Playing against starters is a whole different ball game.

David Lee got exposed to whatn he really is...a hustle hardworking white guy who played center in college and knows how to reb a little in the pros.

This is the same white David Lee who averaged 10.5 rebounds in under 30 minutes last year and the same white cat who beat every other color of origin in a Mcdonald\'s dunk contest 6 years back. He\'s not getting the lift right now and that is effecting his game. He was dunking all of these petty shots he was missing--same guy who went 14-14 in the sophmore freshmen all star nba game. I dont think his race has anything to do with it? Maybe he needs a crew cut and hit Subway for veggie sandwiches.
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11/14/2007  9:35 AM
Briggs - Lee's creative t-shirt routine in the HS slam dunk was nice, but just for the record

he was not the best that day

Are you saying Lee is fat?
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11/14/2007  9:49 AM
I am saying Lee needs to lose about 7 lbs and get his jumping back. When you average 30 minutes a game like he did last year he plays against everyone. He had a horrible game last night and tonight he will have a better one. He needs to go back to the basics of dunking everything and getting every rebound and the other things will come. He has the free throws perfected and he will have a shot soon it is all confidence. I think in about 2 weeks you will see the plays around the basket finished and not getting blocked. No doubt Zach is a better player but David will do the little things to win games in his career Zach wont.
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11/14/2007  9:52 AM
King1 - can David Lee lose 20-25 pounds and be groomed as a three?
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11/14/2007  9:59 AM
No he isnt a three man doesnt have the skills to be one. Lee is young and will improve defensively at least he will give an effort. He averged a double doulbe last year people have adjusted and he is still getting 9 and 7 in 26 minutes this year. He will adjust he is a smart kid. The shooting percentage needs to go back up and the offensive rebounds needs to be at 3 per game.
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11/14/2007  10:04 AM
King1 - Zach is 26 and David Lee is 24.

If you consider them both starter material, which one do you keep and which one do you deal?

and why
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11/14/2007  10:31 AM
Posted by BigC:

I think you are making excuses for Lee's poor play. He is not injuried. Jamal had a major surgery are you going to say he is still injuried also?

What you have is the results of scouting reports. Also the pf position in the NBA is stacked. YOu have many defensive minded players. The starting position is completely different than coming off the bench with fresh legs. Teams are no longer sleeping on Lee. Lee normally plays against other bench players so it is easier for him to shine. Playing against starters is a whole different ball game.

YEa whats with the double standards if Eddy, Jamal, Q, or anyone else starts off poorly people just acknowledge that there not playing well David Lee struggles and its because of injuries. I think teams are finally starting to do their homework on Lee and he has been unable to adjust his game. I think thus far Lee's play only illustrates that he still has a ways to go before being a complete player.
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Posted by bitty41:
Posted by BigC:

I think you are making excuses for Lee's poor play. He is not injuried. Jamal had a major surgery are you going to say he is still injuried also?

What you have is the results of scouting reports. Also the pf position in the NBA is stacked. YOu have many defensive minded players. The starting position is completely different than coming off the bench with fresh legs. Teams are no longer sleeping on Lee. Lee normally plays against other bench players so it is easier for him to shine. Playing against starters is a whole different ball game.

YEa whats with the double standards if Eddy, Jamal, Q, or anyone else starts off poorly people just acknowledge that there not playing well David Lee struggles and its because of injuries. I think teams are finally starting to do their homework on Lee and he has been unable to adjust his game. I think thus far Lee's play only illustrates that he still has a ways to go before being a complete player.

I disagree. I just see a guy who is not getting as much lift in his game as last year.

IMHO Lee is still a 6 man type until he gets a 15' jump shot. Playing against first liners versus coming off the bench is completely different.
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11/14/2007  10:38 AM
Posted by bitty41:

YEa whats with the double standards if Eddy, Jamal, Q, or anyone else starts off poorly people just acknowledge that there not playing well David Lee struggles and its because of injuries.

I think it has to do with history. Lee, Balkman, and I'd also include Q, have had the history of putting forth a good effort every day. People remember that. Eddy and Jamal don't have the benefit of the doubt.

Not sure why you included Q in your double standard comparison. People attribute Q's lack of production to injuries all the time.
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11/14/2007  10:39 AM
Earl Zach has played 11,000 minutes in the league and David has played 3,000 minutes. Zach is a better basketball player than David. David will be coveted by winning teams more than Zach. Character and the willingness to be unselfish wins game and Zach doesnt have that. If Zach was so great Protland wouldnt have traded him for nothing. They got rid of a bloated contract and a questionable character guy. I think the Knicks have a lot of holes to fill so Lee would make sense to trade and get rid of another contract. If you could trade Curry and not take on more money you do that
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11/14/2007  10:45 AM
Funny how everyone says Lee is playing so bad and the game has caught up with him. I agree he was awful last night but if he played 30 minutes a game he would be averaging a double-double still. Just mark my words he will have a big game tonight against the Clippers
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11/14/2007  11:07 AM

Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by BigC:

I think you are making excuses for Lee\'s poor play. He is not injuried. Jamal had a major surgery are you going to say he is still injuried also?

What you have is the results of scouting reports. Also the pf position in the NBA is stacked. YOu have many defensive minded players. The starting position is completely different than coming off the bench with fresh legs. Teams are no longer sleeping on Lee. Lee normally plays against other bench players so it is easier for him to shine. Playing against starters is a whole different ball game.

David Lee got exposed to whatn he really is...a hustle hardworking white guy who played center in college and knows how to reb a little in the pros.

This is the same white David Lee who averaged 10.5 rebounds in under 30 minutes last year and the same white cat who beat every other color of origin in a Mcdonald\'s dunk contest 6 years back. He\'s not getting the lift right now and that is effecting his game. He was dunking all of these petty shots he was missing--same guy who went 14-14 in the sophmore freshmen all star nba game. I dont think his race has anything to do with it? Maybe he needs a crew cut and hit Subway for veggie sandwiches.

i saw the slam dunk contest, he really didn't win by the crowds response.

JAMES WHITE was the real winner who flew thru the air from the foul line with two hands and dunked.




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Posted by Andrew:
Posted by bitty41:

YEa whats with the double standards if Eddy, Jamal, Q, or anyone else starts off poorly people just acknowledge that there not playing well David Lee struggles and its because of injuries.

I think it has to do with history. Lee, Balkman, and I'd also include Q, have had the history of putting forth a good effort every day. People remember that. Eddy and Jamal don't have the benefit of the doubt.

Not sure why you included Q in your double standard comparison. People attribute Q's lack of production to injuries all the time.

Im not doubting Lee's effort so I don't know where you got that from. I just think Knick fans spent a most of last season hyping him up. Now that the rest of the NBA has caught on to Lee's capablities and Lee has thus far not been able to adjust his game people are looking for some kind of excuse.

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