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misterearl
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11/13/2007  7:30 PM
GoNyGoNyGo - they may or may not be better...

... but I bet they pay close attention to plays designed in the huddle.

I think I'll follow the game tonight.
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11/13/2007  7:31 PM
Posted by misterearl:


3. The Knicks continue to bond as a team

You mean bond against Marbs?
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11/13/2007  7:41 PM
code - not necessarily.

Groups of people competing against each other for minutes AND against opponents are strange organisms that are difficult to predict. Especially when the minutes are the only commodity of value the coach has control over.

What complicates the Knicks things is that same coach also has a significant voice in roster decisions and a direct association with the owner. All of the plfaayers on the roster are a result of Isiahs input and direction.

With that said, when the game starts... all the fuss over Marbury fades to Bolivian (thank you Mike Tyson) because you are now fighting to not only win, but hold your space... right through the assistants and up to the head coach.

nothing else matters.

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11/13/2007  7:46 PM
Posted by misterearl:

code - not necessarily.

Groups of people competing against each other for minutes AND against opponents are strange organisms that are difficult to predict. Especially when the minutes are the only commodity of value the coach has control over.

What complicates the Knicks things is that same coach also has a significant voice in roster decisions and a direct association with the owner. All of the plfaayers on the roster are a result of Isiahs input and direction.

With that said, when the game starts... all the fuss over Marbury fades to Bolivian (thank you Mike Tyson) because you are now fighting to not only win, but hold your space... right through the assistants and up to the head coach.

nothing else matters.

Earl - should Isiah go or not?
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11/13/2007  7:48 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

In a continued effort to save his own skin, Isiah now is throwing Marbury under the bus. Whether it is an attempt to scapegoat Marbury for the Annucha situation or just admitting that he cannot do what two hall of fame coaches could not do, coach Marbury and win with the roster he has assembled, Isiah is the one that needs to be held accountable for Marbury. He acquired him and he let him rule the roost. He either allowed or fostered an atmosphere of unprofessionalism.

Throwing him under the bus? It more like opposing guards driving by his ass as if they were on a bus on a nightly basis.
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11/13/2007  7:56 PM
One can only wonder where we'd stand if this same GM had allowed other coaches to use their strong arm.
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11/13/2007  7:59 PM
Posted by misterearl:

code - not necessarily.

Groups of people competing against each other for minutes AND against opponents are strange organisms that are difficult to predict. Especially when the minutes are the only commodity of value the coach has control over.

What complicates the Knicks things is that same coach also has a significant voice in roster decisions and a direct association with the owner. All of the plfaayers on the roster are a result of Isiahs input and direction.

With that said, when the game starts... all the fuss over Marbury fades to Bolivian (thank you Mike Tyson) because you are now fighting to not only win, but hold your space... right through the assistants and up to the head coach.

nothing else matters.

Earl, I can't really agree with your take at all. The truth is that our group of "strange organisms" are all too predictable. Almost everyone saw in their crystal balls a Marbs mutiny. And, without fail, here it is.
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11/13/2007  8:07 PM
Posted by misterearl:

You suck. You sit.

Does that go for Isiah?
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11/13/2007  8:07 PM
Earl - should Isiah go or not?

code - no

The Knicks are closer to being a consistent team than the four additional years it will take a new guy to evaluate things, separate who he likes from who he does not like and then implement his agenda through a series of gradual transactions.

Four years, along with a few head coaches, is used as the amount of time it took the 23 win Knicks to evolve into a contender with the Hall of Famer Patrick Ewing.

1985- was an uphill struggle as well
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11/13/2007  8:10 PM
I am not a Marbury fan and I definitely think he is one of things that is wrong with the team. However, he has not changed and his play has not changed. If two hall of fame coaches get fired because they can't coach/change him and teammates get traded because they have issues with his lack of team play, why after four years does this suddenly become so horrible that it can't be tolerated? Why is the man who has sacrificed others at the expense of Marbury suddenly saying he has had enough? In my opinion he is either trying to scape goat him for all of the problems he has created, or he is admitting that he can't coach or win with him. If it is the later he should be held accountable because he brought him here. If it is the former he should be fired because it was his mess not Marbury's. Marbury isn't the coach and he isn't the GM.
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11/13/2007  8:11 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Earl - should Isiah go or not?

code - no

The Knicks are closer to being a consistent team than the four additional years it will take a new guy to evaluate things, separate who he likes from who he does not like and then implement his agenda through a series of gradual transactions.

Four years, along with a few head coaches, is used as the amount of time it took the 23 win Knicks to evolve into a contender with the Hall of Famer Patrick Ewing.

1985- was an uphill struggle as well

Consistent???

At what? Being below mediocre? Why would anyone want 4 more years of that instead of having the opportunity for a competent GM to come in and hopefully turn this mess around in 4 years?
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11/13/2007  8:11 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Earl - should Isiah go or not?

code - no

The Knicks are closer to being a consistent team than the four additional years it will take a new guy to evaluate things, separate who he likes from who he does not like and then implement his agenda through a series of gradual transactions.

Four years, along with a few head coaches, is used as the amount of time it took the 23 win Knicks to evolve into a contender with the Hall of Famer Patrick Ewing.

1985- was an uphill struggle as well

I think thats a poor standard to use. Looking at the team as it stands, how many more years do you foresee until contender status?
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11/13/2007  8:13 PM
smart gm's know what they want from day 1. smarter gm's know what they want AND get the pieces to be successful at it.

4 years?

i got nowhere else to be...
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11/13/2007  8:15 PM
CrushAlot - here is the question to ponder.

If Marbury shows up, and he WILL show up eventually - do you accept him back with a firm handshake or do you hand him the box of his gear from the emptying of his locker?

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11/13/2007  8:16 PM
Posted by misterearl:

CrushAlot - here is the question to ponder.

If Marbury shows up, and he WILL show up eventually - do you accept him back with a firm handshake or do you hand him the box of his gear from the emptying of his locker?

it ain't ova until its ova

hand him the box of gear

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11/13/2007  8:17 PM
box of gear.
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11/13/2007  8:20 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

smart gm's know what they want from day 1. smarter gm's know what they want AND get the pieces to be successful at it.

4 years?

i got nowhere else to be...

dj - excellent point

what a day huh?

I may be too worn out to follow the Suns game on ESPN.
We need some music of solace to get us through the night:

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11/13/2007  8:22 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by misterearl:

Earl - should Isiah go or not?

code - no

The Knicks are closer to being a consistent team than the four additional years it will take a new guy to evaluate things, separate who he likes from who he does not like and then implement his agenda through a series of gradual transactions.

Four years, along with a few head coaches, is used as the amount of time it took the 23 win Knicks to evolve into a contender with the Hall of Famer Patrick Ewing.

1985- was an uphill struggle as well

I think thats a poor standard to use. Looking at the team as it stands, how many more years do you foresee until contender status?

Code - I think the Knicks are two players away.

How long it will take Zeke to make those next 2 chess moves is anyones guess.
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11/13/2007  8:22 PM
Posted by misterearl:

We need some music of solace to get us through the night:

any suggestions homes?

taps?
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11/13/2007  8:23 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:

We need some music of solace to get us through the night:

any suggestions homes?

taps?

You funny. Nah, too dreary.

besides, It's only November.

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