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BlueSeats
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11/6/2007  11:27 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:


Precisely. Now that I just fellated the Knicks organization, I would like to point out the one glaring defficiency from tonight's game: the team's AST:TO. 22:18 is not going to get it done versus an elite team. The Nugget are not an elite team, but they had 20:12. Despite having nine more rebounds, the team only had five more shots.

Doesn't seem like a big deal, but when Detroit comes to town and has a 30:10, the Knicks are going to get out shot despite out rebounding the opposition. This is bothersome and is our Achilles. Keep an eye on this, because every single year during Isiah's tenure this team has done horribly in AST:TO, while the opposition's AST:TO is typically quite high.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 11-06-2007 11:24 PM]

Good point. A very telling stat from tonight's game was that we had ZERO turnovers in the 4th quarter. That could be a distinct aberration, or a very compelling sign. We'll just have to wait and see.
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11/6/2007  11:28 PM
^ No it speaks VOLUMES BS.

When you play the type of offensive game we do, where you eat clock, you HAVE to cut down on turnovers and play defense to be successful.

I've said this before - it's common sense, nothing special, no aberattion, nothing compelling at all.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/6/2007  11:32 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by SupremeCommander:


Precisely. Now that I just fellated the Knicks organization, I would like to point out the one glaring defficiency from tonight's game: the team's AST:TO. 22:18 is not going to get it done versus an elite team. The Nugget are not an elite team, but they had 20:12. Despite having nine more rebounds, the team only had five more shots.

Doesn't seem like a big deal, but when Detroit comes to town and has a 30:10, the Knicks are going to get out shot despite out rebounding the opposition. This is bothersome and is our Achilles. Keep an eye on this, because every single year during Isiah's tenure this team has done horribly in AST:TO, while the opposition's AST:TO is typically quite high.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 11-06-2007 11:24 PM]

Good point. A very telling stat from tonight's game was that we had ZERO turnovers in the 4th quarter. That could be a distinct aberration, or a very compelling sign. We'll just have to wait and see.

Wow... I didn't realize that. That's crunch time efficiency, and I like it.
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11/6/2007  11:34 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ No it speaks VOLUMES BS.

When you play the type of offensive game we do, where you eat clock, you HAVE to cut down on turnovers and play defense to be successful.

I've said this before - it's common sense, nothing special, no aberattion, nothing compelling at all.

The question remains whether it's a corner turned or just a happenstance.
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11/6/2007  11:36 PM
I see more trouble for us playing good defensive teams.
We should be OK against teams with no concentration on defense.
And this was the case today.
If NBA in general will move into defensless direction we should be fine.
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11/6/2007  11:42 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by bobs3304:

^ No it speaks VOLUMES BS.

When you play the type of offensive game we do, where you eat clock, you HAVE to cut down on turnovers and play defense to be successful.

I've said this before - it's common sense, nothing special, no aberattion, nothing compelling at all.

The question remains whether it's a corner turned or just a happenstance.


It could be somewhere in between. They're probably getting better at it, but there will be times when they fall back into old habits, I'm sure.
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11/6/2007  11:42 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by bobs3304:

^ No it speaks VOLUMES BS.

When you play the type of offensive game we do, where you eat clock, you HAVE to cut down on turnovers and play defense to be successful.

I've said this before - it's common sense, nothing special, no aberattion, nothing compelling at all.

The question remains whether it's a corner turned or just a happenstance.

If I can speculate on this for a second...

This team always over performs when it has no business doing so and under performs when it should be doing well. The Nuggets are practically a carbon copy of the Knicks in that there's a lot of mismatched talent on the roster. I'd say the Knicks have more depth and the Nuggets have more star power, but the Knicks had home court and should win.

So, they under performed and turned the ball over 18 times in the first 36 minutes. When the expectations switched from victory to blowout, the team over performed. Not to mention, if the Knicks got blown out by the Nuggets, can you imagine the boos given last year's fight? I just think this is a microcosm of THIS team's history.
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11/6/2007  11:53 PM
I was still reading.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/7/2007  12:14 AM
Posted by arkrud:

I see more trouble for us playing good defensive teams.
We should be OK against teams with no concentration on defense.
And this was the case today.
If NBA in general will move into defensless direction we should be fine.

I think Denver's a decent enough defensive team, they've got the Camby man in the middle and at times Crawford just penetrated at will. the challenge is for US to keep up the concentration on defense, there will be days when Curry gets into foul trouble and Crawford goes back to gunning and it will be defense that carries the day.
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11/7/2007  12:30 AM
Sounds like a superman story.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/7/2007  12:59 AM
Lol your a funny dude . You guys fail to realize that islefan is not a knicks fan. He is just a bored little man that uses his time tormenting knick fans (not me though). It his own little personal high. I think the Dolphins suck (Jets fan) but I don't go to their forums and talk ****. It a waste of my time. But I enjoy your constant belittling of MY Knicks. It is very entertaining. Keep it up isles. I don't know why it bothers anyone else. Oh and I don't watch hockey but I just want to say **** the Islanders. Let's go Rangers!
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11/7/2007  1:31 AM
Isiah is probably one of the dumber basketball minds employed today.

Common sense would dictate that you need to set a defensive tone. You need balance in your starting lineup not only to set that tone, but to show faith in your bench players that "they're important too".


Throw Lee and Balkman in the starting lineup, bring Crawford and Randolph off the bench for a scoring punch against the other team's 2nd unit.

All is well -

We set a defensive tone. And Craw and Z-Bo still get their 20 points, which, let's face it, is all they really care about anyway.


WIN WIN.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/7/2007  3:41 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Great job pulling out a close win at home against what is supposed to be a good team, but is really nothing but an overrated bunch of starphuckers that aren't nearly as good as the sum of their parts. This team is really showing me something by playing hard and proving all the doubters wrong.

I'm really proud of my Islanders tonight.

As for the Knicks. The sun shines on even a dogs ass every now and then. Instead of going 4-11 this month, they might go 5-10. Big whoops.

LOL Isles. I think this is going to be a big year for you in terms of being the sole hater because I have a feeling the Knicks bandwagon is about to become alot more packed. If the knicks do nothing but continue to play at their current level, they will win 40-45 games. If the team improves as the season goes on, we are looking at possibly 50 wins. That is alot wins to hate on. But it is still early, you got about another month of hating before people really turn to the good side of the force. GO KNICKS.

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11/7/2007  6:31 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by islesfan:

Great job pulling out a close win at home against what is supposed to be a good team, but is really nothing but an overrated bunch of starphuckers that aren't nearly as good as the sum of their parts. This team is really showing me something by playing hard and proving all the doubters wrong.

I'm really proud of my Islanders tonight.

As for the Knicks. The sun shines on even a dogs ass every now and then. Instead of going 4-11 this month, they might go 5-10. Big whoops.

LOL Isles. I think this is going to be a big year for you in terms of being the sole hater because I have a feeling the Knicks bandwagon is about to become alot more packed. If the knicks do nothing but continue to play at their current level, they will win 40-45 games. If the team improves as the season goes on, we are looking at possibly 50 wins. That is alot wins to hate on. But it is still early, you got about another month of hating before people really turn to the good side of the force. GO KNICKS.

40-45 wins isn't gonna make anyone change sides--not after 4 years and about a billion dollars being spent. 50 wins is another story but I this team is way too bad on defense to win 50 games.
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11/7/2007  6:40 AM
Channing who? ZBo is a beast!!!

I know HATERZ this is just one game, but I see a team that is together and I see a team that is trying really hard. I am not saying they will win the ring, but they may suprise a few people.

JC looks great so far this year.

Defense? Who cares? Just bring the Balkanator whenever you need to stop one player and if it is two bring in Jefferies too.

Great Win. Great Game.
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11/7/2007  6:51 AM
Bonn - it ain't your money

This squad is showing signs of positive intensity from the start of the season and all you want to do is fall back on some W-L prediction you KNOW they'll never meet?

we're talkin' bout practice....

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11/7/2007  6:55 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Bonn - it ain't your money

This squad is showing signs of positive intensity from the start of the season and all you want to do is fall back on some W-L prediction you KNOW they'll never meet?

we're talkin' bout practice....

I wasn't the one who brought up 50 wins; I was replying to another person.
I'm not gonna re-debate whether it's my money, but if we assume for a moment that it isn't, don't you still want someone who uses money effectively? If after spending like a billion dollars, all Isiah can get is a .500 team, then don't you want someone who can get better use out of that much money over 4 years?
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11/7/2007  7:06 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by islesfan:

Great job pulling out a close win at home against what is supposed to be a good team, but is really nothing but an overrated bunch of starphuckers that aren't nearly as good as the sum of their parts. This team is really showing me something by playing hard and proving all the doubters wrong.

I'm really proud of my Islanders tonight.

As for the Knicks. The sun shines on even a dogs ass every now and then. Instead of going 4-11 this month, they might go 5-10. Big whoops.

LOL Isles. I think this is going to be a big year for you in terms of being the sole hater because I have a feeling the Knicks bandwagon is about to become alot more packed. If the knicks do nothing but continue to play at their current level, they will win 40-45 games. If the team improves as the season goes on, we are looking at possibly 50 wins. That is alot wins to hate on. But it is still early, you got about another month of hating before people really turn to the good side of the force. GO KNICKS.

40-45 wins isn't gonna make anyone change sides--not after 4 years and about a billion dollars being spent. 50 wins is another story but I this team is way too bad on defense to win 50 games.

If the team wins 43-45 games, they will likely be in the playoffs. If they win a first round series, that will go a long way to changing attitudes about the team. Even if they don't win the first round series, the team is only going to get better. Lee, Nate, Balkman, Collins, and Chandler will all likely improve. Curry, Crawford, and Randolph are coming into their own as far as how they can be effective. We will have expiring contracts in Marbury and Rose and we will have our own 1st round pick. The team will be in pretty good shape.
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11/7/2007  7:08 AM
It's a young, above .500 team. When he took over he had an aging below .500 team. Think about that roster. The starting lineup was Thomas at center, Weatherspoon and Van Horne at forward and Houston and Ward at guard. Where are those guys now? Isaiah had no real assets to speak of when he took over. It takes time to make something out of nothing.
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11/7/2007  9:39 AM
Some of you guys need to go to the joke store to find a sense of humor.

I liked the way they looked yesterday in every aspect of the game except for defense. We need to shore this up and show the intensity throughout the game. The amount of dunks we gave up in the first three quarters was inexcusable. Other than that there really wasn't a whole lot to complain about. The team busted their butts. Answered every run. Shared the ball. It was one of the best efforts I've seen in a while. Like I said this summer, the offense looks disjointed but we still have no problem scoring the ball. We need to shore up the defense for those nights when we are playing teams that aren't as pathetic defensively as Denver was last night.

I was not overly surprised with the win last night. It was a good win but the Knicks play well when they are backed in a corner. The next game is the real test. How do we respond to success? This has been our problem in the past. Hopefully we can continue to eliminate our sins and bad habits, and make them part of the past.

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