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bigbeast
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11/7/2007  1:41 PM
I've always maintained that Craw is a sixth man (on a good team). But he has to start here bevcause there isn't anyone to replace him (Q is garbage, and should be the 8th or 9th man which I have stated in the past aswell.)

Jamal is playing well now and i hope he can continue to play consistant so that he can become a legit starter in this league. nothing would please me more than being wrong about Craw.
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11/7/2007  5:18 PM
Posted by MS:

He should still come off the bench he has put together three good games, for that he deserves credit but the most important guys are lee and balkman they raise the energy and intensity when it's lacking......

The game hasn't won 35 games in his entire 7 season and is a career 40% shooter, hopefully he keeps playing well and ups his value. More balkmans out there the better
Why should he come off the bench?

And think of a better solution of who should start over him? Not he is a 40% shooter for his year as an excuse. Because if that is the case then Q should not be starting. Or Billups would have been benched for his whole career.

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11/7/2007  5:21 PM
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Posted by 4949:

Watch' I bet you get labeled now.


BAH, I screwed that post up lol.


Labeled? Already have been. You know, last season I preached patience, I laid my own line in the sand at 33 games (end of December) but mid-december they were blown out by the Sixers and Celtics. Prior to that I was hammered for being a "Homer".

Well, after that line was crossed and I started questioning the direction of the team and the makeup of the roster, I was then hammered as a hater.

(Insert, long LOL here).

I can't take that crap. I am a Knick fan, when they do well they get my respect. When they stink it up they feel my wrath. I'm simply a fan. What can I say? Is this not part of being a fan of the team?

I speak my mind, that's how it is. It peeves some people, others recognize it for what it is.

Nothing I can do about outside opinion.

You know my take on Jamal from day one has always been if he starts on a consistent bases you will see production. So I expect him to have a good year because he is starting.

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11/7/2007  5:30 PM
Jamal should come from the bench... on good team.
He is a starter here because we are not in this category yet.
He can grow with the team or suck another 7 years if Knicks will suck under IT to the end of days.
No surprise no team want him. Who needs backup with the price tag of starter?
Same apply to Eddy, Steph, Q, Jeffries, and... Jerome.
Can they put this reality behind them? Thats why we are still watching the show.


[Edited by - arkrud on 11-07-2007 5:31 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-07-2007 5:32 PM]
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11/7/2007  5:55 PM
Posted by Panos:

I still think we should give a go with him at the point. A DISCIPLINED point -- meaning IT should get in his ear, and make sure he plays under control.

i think me & you need to start up a petition & send it over to Isiah bro... maybe he'll finally get the hint.
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11/8/2007  10:20 AM
We can't worry about whether Jamal would start or not start on a good team. We have to look at our current team and think what's best for us.

In my view Q should be starting at the 2. I don't think he's physically capable of handling the 3 spot for the full season and we are destined to see him riding the bench. I would love to then start Craw at the point but would be worried about Marbs ego. So with this team, I would start Marbs, have Craw off the bench but playing the exact minutes and role he is now. Nothing would change for me, except I would start the game setting a physical tone with a big line-up.

In the end I do think we need to change the starting line-up a bit. We can't keep with these early first quarter double digit deficits. I personally would take Marbs out of the starting line-up because he at times is slow to joining the party. But would be afraid to lose him for the season if he doesn't start(even if he's playing the same minutes). Ultimately as a coach I might have to deal with this and bench him anyway, but for now it's not necessary. Last game he and Craw played great together.
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11/8/2007  11:09 AM
Bip, you are worried about Marbury hurting his ego, but don't you remember Craw is just as bad, in terms of coming off the bench and starting. He plays much better as a starter, whether he gets the same minutes or not, and to top it off, he even had some ****y comments on how he knows he should be starting and bla bla bla. He'd be equally as pissassed, coming off the bench.
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11/8/2007  11:47 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Bip, you are worried about Marbury hurting his ego, but don't you remember Craw is just as bad, in terms of coming off the bench and starting. He plays much better as a starter, whether he gets the same minutes or not, and to top it off, he even had some ****y comments on how he knows he should be starting and bla bla bla. He'd be equally as pissassed, coming off the bench.

I agree with you, but I'd be less concerned about completely losing Craw as I would about losing Marbs.
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11/8/2007  11:52 AM
SUre, maybe for the year, but if Marbury is taking off for Italy, sooner than later, then maybe we need to start phasing him out, especially if we refuse to get these PGs and even SGs in the draft that we so desperately need.
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11/8/2007  12:31 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

SUre, maybe for the year, but if Marbury is taking off for Italy, sooner than later, then maybe we need to start phasing him out, especially if we refuse to get these PGs and even SGs in the draft that we so desperately need.

I think we are phasing him out. I think we are just getting as much out of him as we can while he is still here.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 08-11-2007 12:32 PM]
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11/8/2007  4:12 PM
putting Marbs on the bench will undoubtedly ruin his drive to play hard IMO... he'd go into Steve Francis mode & "mysteriously" suffer an injury that lands him on the DL... but IMO that's a good thing, cuz we can't afford to worry about hurting egos, we need to focus on winning ballgames... if Marbs sulking means Nate gets more minutes & there's a role opened up for Wilson Chandler or Mardy Collins, then that's a favorable outcome as far as i'm concerned.
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11/8/2007  4:22 PM
TMS from a fan perspective you are right, but I'm looking at it from a coach's perspective, as a coach trying to save his job. In that scenario you need Marbs whether you like him or not.
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11/8/2007  4:26 PM
Love the way Jamal has been playing so far. Can't see we havent seen these stretches from him in the past though. Until I see this from him consistently, I won't be convinced he's graduated from his erratic play.
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11/8/2007  4:26 PM
looking at things from an Isiah perspective, there's no way in Hell that Marbs ever gets relegated to a bench role, you're right about that... this has as much to do w/Isiah's ego & the fact that he has put in all his chips w/Marbury as the figurehead of the NY Knicks than anything else... i think if Isiah makes Marbs a 6th man, it in effect is an acknowledgement by him that getting the guy was a mistake to begin with.
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11/8/2007  4:33 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

We can't worry about whether Jamal would start or not start on a good team. We have to look at our current team and think what's best for us.

In my view Q should be starting at the 2. I don't think he's physically capable of handling the 3 spot for the full season and we are destined to see him riding the bench. I would love to then start Craw at the point but would be worried about Marbs ego. So with this team, I would start Marbs, have Craw off the bench but playing the exact minutes and role he is now. Nothing would change for me, except I would start the game setting a physical tone with a big line-up.

In the end I do think we need to change the starting line-up a bit. We can't keep with these early first quarter double digit deficits. I personally would take Marbs out of the starting line-up because he at times is slow to joining the party. But would be afraid to lose him for the season if he doesn't start(even if he's playing the same minutes). Ultimately as a coach I might have to deal with this and bench him anyway, but for now it's not necessary. Last game he and Craw played great together.

If you can't start Q at the 3 what makes you think he can guard faster and more explosive 2 guards?
Also Q is no 2 guard. How many 2 guards do you know that can't pass and do not help bring up the ball nor score at a high rate? Q can not even create space between himself and his defender yet you want him to play 2 guard?

Any 2 guard that is gaurding Q will have their easiest defensive assignment in their life. The main reason is they don't have to work on the defensive end because Q has no offensive game. NOt only that, but this will also cause our opponents to have fresh legs on the offensive end because Q does not have offense. With Jamal whoever is guarding him has to work on the defensive end.
We have to look at our current team and think what's best for us.
How is Q starting over Jamal the best for the team?

And how would you if you were coach of the Knicks justify starting Q at this point and benching Jamal since you say this best for the team?

Not to mention Q has no chemistry with any player in the starting lineup.








[Edited by - BigC on 11-08-2007 7:33 PM]
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11/8/2007  4:37 PM
Posted by TMS:

looking at things from an Isiah perspective, there's no way in Hell that Marbs ever gets relegated to a bench role, you're right about that... this has as much to do w/Isiah's ego & the fact that he has put in all his chips w/Marbury as the figurehead of the NY Knicks than anything else... i think if Isiah makes Marbs a 6th man, it in effect is an acknowledgement by him that getting the guy was a mistake to begin with.

Yup.

NYK4eva, I agree with you on Jamal. This will be huge for these players. It's going to take a sustained effort(and rightly so) over a period of a season before these guys really earn the love of all the fans. Some of the players like The Tax Assesor and David Lee have earned it and get cheered no matter what. But the guys like Eddy and Jamal and Steph are going to have to earn it over time. There will be some, but not complete immediate gratification for them even if they play great. Some fans are bitter, and most are skeptical, and that doesn't go away overnight. What is critical is that these players don't relax as they start to see success(like they have in the past) or get down when they don't get that immediate shower of love(like they have also done in the past). Hopefully we can teach them to put the blinder's on, don't worry about the fans and win for winning sake.
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11/8/2007  7:21 PM
Where are all those people that think Jamal should come off the bench?
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