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11/3/2007  3:03 PM
Encouraging:

Defense: Marginally Better, 3 point defense was bad, but penetration was contained slightly better.

Offense: Much more potent, Randolph is a hell of a scorer which is a big plus, Nate looks more under control, Curry looks more under control, Crawford looks more under control(let's see if it lasts with him.).

Rebounding: Markedly Better, Lee is no longer the best rebounder on the team with Randolph around, Nate rebounds, Collins will add rebounding when he is ready to play, let's see if Jeffries can bounce back, if he can, the rebounding is excellent.

Distribution: ? hard to say, but Zach showed some nice interior passing, Nate passed nicely, Crawford has picked up where he left off with Curry, and even better he was feeding the post like he had a clue. I anticipate this being much better this year.

Shooting: Much Better, Randolph is nuts with his outside shooting even when he has to make a move, Nate is money, Crawford showed better selection which immediately improves his shooting. Let's see if Marbury can make one...

Overall: I like the fact they didn't fall behind big early which was last year's biggest problem, they took better care of the ball, let's see if that lasts. I would say they should improve by 7 games at least this year if they can stay healthy. Something better is forming.

I still can't help but feel the missing ingredient is Artest. He's the guy you put on Lebron James to stop him from scoring 50, and to make James work on defense as well. Unfortunately, I have more questions about his mental state than Randolph's. If Nate or Crawford look really good during Artest's suspension, the Kings fall into the hole early (likely), I think we can land Artest without giving up Lee.

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11/3/2007  3:39 PM
The defense was horrific as usual. This scumbucket Isiah refuses to realize this team will never win without Defense. It is the same story our 2 starting guards cannot play perimeter defense. Our top guard off the bench is 5'2. These are the reasons we will never contend. He can draft and use his mid level exceptions every year but if he thinks this backcourt is formidable we have problems.
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11/3/2007  3:51 PM
I think this team will win games by being up alot, and kind of bullying the other team in the post, and being up by a lot towards the end of games-
I think this team will lose games that are tight at the end of the 4th quarter until we learn to get consistent stops.
So, that will create kind of non-artful bullying Ws, and very frusturating close losses.
Very hard for me to predict almost any teams W/L record this year.

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11/3/2007  3:59 PM
I really don't see how anyone can be very happy. Cleveland is not a great time, they got where they were because of timing and injuries and a pistons team that gave up. They were missing two of their most important players and still won the game.

Crawford will now have a terrible shooting game; he played fine last night, but no one takes into account the complete lack of defense from our guards. Gibson is a good shooter and a subpar all around player so why is he getting wide open threes especially after he just hit from the outside.

Mardy Collins no minutes? Lebron scored 45 points I think Isiah really needs to clue in, Lee 21 minutes unacceptable. Balkman 1 min, i know the guy picked up 3 fouls but he needed a second chance.

It's playground ball plain and simple why are the cavs scoring so many points, they have two good offensive players; this team could have really started out nice with a win but they let it get away.

Oh and the Atlanta Hawks are a better team than the Knicks, it's one game but give me a break if you think we are going to make the playoffs. How are we going to stop any team with good guards?
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11/3/2007  4:33 PM
Posted by MS:

I really don't see how anyone can be very happy. Cleveland is not a great time, they got where they were because of timing and injuries and a pistons team that gave up. They were missing two of their most important players and still won the game.

Crawford will now have a terrible shooting game; he played fine last night, but no one takes into account the complete lack of defense from our guards. Gibson is a good shooter and a subpar all around player so why is he getting wide open threes especially after he just hit from the outside.

Mardy Collins no minutes? Lebron scored 45 points I think Isiah really needs to clue in, Lee 21 minutes unacceptable. Balkman 1 min, i know the guy picked up 3 fouls but he needed a second chance.

It's playground ball plain and simple why are the cavs scoring so many points, they have two good offensive players; this team could have really started out nice with a win but they let it get away.

Oh and the Atlanta Hawks are a better team than the Knicks, it's one game but give me a break if you think we are going to make the playoffs. How are we going to stop any team with good guards?

Dont worry Isiah said it might take 9-10 years to rebuild.
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11/3/2007  4:49 PM
Im so angry.....forget about disappointed.

You know if Lebron was destroying us and carrying his team to victory its one thing. Lebrons 45 pts was the weakest 45pt game ever.

There is no excuse to leave faggots like boobie and damon jones open. I'd rather lose with a team driving all day then losing a game like this. Terrible. I am so pissed. This is isiahs fault. He has to communicate that guys straight up can't let these fags just stand there and shoot. Period. When craw left boobie to double team a douce bag that was up in the air and not a threat I almost had a stroke. That was a stupid ass play.

4 straight 3pters? Ball game....lebron didn't beat the knicks.....the knicks beat themselves.....

What was up with the offensive rebounds? It was making me even more angry that the cavs were just out hustling for second chance points.

Free throws? Wtf?

Just a terrible loss. Knicks beat themselves. The cavs should get no credit. They freakin suck.......knicks lost to them and that just cuts deep.

I must have wrote that 3 times in 3 separate threads.....its sickening. Definately not a game the knicks should have lost.
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11/3/2007  4:54 PM
I know Curry had something like 18 & 7 but he didn't look good to me at all. As soon as he gets the ball in the post he's got to make his move aggressively - BAM!!! Instead, he'd get the ball, wait 1-1 thousand, 2-1 thousand, 3-1 thousand... which gave the Cavs' defense a chance to regroup on him, then he'd make a half-hearted move with guys drapped all over him instead of passing and either take an awkward shot attempt or he just got bottled up and turned the ball over. He ran the floor OK (nice tip in off a miss after running the length of the court) and cut nice to the bucket for an alley-op and a couple of layups but to me when he pinned his guy to his back down low and had to make his move he looked really confused for most of the game. Not sure what the problem was (out of shape, the neck/shoulder he tweaked early on in the game...) but he looked very rusty on the block last nite. He's got to come up with one or two go-to pet moves and start executing like he's got a pair of balls. Demand that ball and as soon as you get it take care of business, you know. I didn't see that from him last nite. Plus, he's a lousy rebounder and FT shooter but what are ya gonna do. He is what he is at the line and rebounding the ball...

Marbury looked good and aggressive but I think that play where he got called for palming then got caught staring the ref down and gave up the layup really pissed Isiah off and that was that. But he looked OK. No prob. with him.

Craw looked real good. I don't think he forced a shot all game. Everything he got came in the flow. Same for Nate. Both impressed me last nite. That's how both have got to play for us to be sucessful...

I actually am impressed with Jones' defense. I would've keep D-Nic but Jones can help them.

I'd like to see Mardy and Chandler play a little bit like everone else but Isiah's got to keep a tight rotation so no real problem there for me. They'll get their time and make their mark soon enough.

Z-Bo came as advertised. Scores inside and out and grabbed his share of rebounds. He looked good.

Lee looked real good too, although I would still like to explore a trade possibility for a bigger, shotblocking forward (Andris Biedrins, Hilton Armstrong, etc...) but he was doing his thing out there and he looked more aggressive offensively in close which was good to see.
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11/3/2007  5:15 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

I know Curry had something like 18 & 7 but he didn't look good to me at all. As soon as he gets the ball in the post he's got to make his move aggressively - BAM!!! Instead, he'd get the ball, wait 1-1 thousand, 2-1 thousand, 3-1 thousand... which gave the Cavs' defense a chance to regroup on him, then he'd make a half-hearted move with guys drapped all over him instead of passing and either take an awkward shot attempt or he just got bottled up and turned the ball over. He ran the floor OK (nice tip in off a miss after running the length of the court) and cut nice to the bucket for an alley-op and a couple of layups but to me when he pinned his guy to his back down low and had to make his move he looked really confused for most of the game. Not sure what the problem was (out of shape, the neck/shoulder he tweaked early on in the game...) but he looked very rusty on the block last nite. He's got to come up with one or two go-to pet moves and start executing like he's got a pair of balls. Demand that ball and as soon as you get it take care of business, you know. I didn't see that from him last nite. Plus, he's a lousy rebounder and FT shooter but what are ya gonna do. He is what he is at the line and rebounding the ball...

Marbury looked good and aggressive but I think that play where he got called for palming then got caught staring the ref down and gave up the layup really pissed Isiah off and that was that. But he looked OK. No prob. with him.

Craw looked real good. I don't think he forced a shot all game. Everything he got came in the flow. Same for Nate. Both impressed me last nite. That's how both have got to play for us to be sucessful...

I actually am impressed with Jones' defense. I would've keep D-Nic but Jones can help them.

I'd like to see Mardy and Chandler play a little bit like everone else but Isiah's got to keep a tight rotation so no real problem there for me. They'll get their time and make their mark soon enough.

Z-Bo came as advertised. Scores inside and out and grabbed his share of rebounds. He looked good.

Lee looked real good too, although I would still like to explore a trade possibility for a bigger, shotblocking forward (Andris Biedrins, Hilton Armstrong, etc...) but he was doing his thing out there and he looked more aggressive offensively in close which was good to see.

Curry had 16 at half and then 2 the rest of the way. I thought he played well overall, z-bo and Curry played well so did Crawford. The problem to the game was more Marbury and Q than anything else. I would like to have seen Marbury dog Gibson all game taking away LeBRons out man. Overall it was a road game and its difficult to win a road game against good teams that lost the game before at home. They wanted the game badly but the Knicks to their credit should have been blown out but hung in there.

If the Knicks can be .500 on the road I will take it, and be 10 games over .500 at home.

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11/3/2007  5:30 PM
Im angry at the knicks for letting this easy "w" slip but there were some major possitives.

#1: zach ia a beast. I knew he was good but didn't realize he is as good as he is. I will take massive pleasure seeing this man play for the orange and blue.

#2: craws new found muscle is real. He isn't letting guys bully him. He was attacking the rim very strong and his ball handling is as excellent as ever. Still not focused enough on who he's guarding ie leaving a 3pt specialist like boobie open.

#3: nate is a starter. Goodbye marbury go **** yourself. Craw plays enough point like ray allen does so nate can play off the ball and do his thing at times. I think this is nates show so stop ****in around already. Collins needs minutes so get marbs outta town right ****ing now! Its over.

#4: curry is ok. He needs to remember he has a left hand and spin left to the baseline. He also needs to learn to keep the ball high and use his arm to get a step on attacking the paint. He's too damn quick to just settle for the same shot. He gets triple teamed. Clevland knew what he was gonna try to do. that extra space will help him pass. he's still a beast regardless.

#5: Q is useless. He sucks. Enough is enough. If he is just gonna be a defensive stopper/ rebounder isiah needs to bench him for balkman. Enough is enough. He is a liability. Kill all the noise about him being the knicks best defender. He is a bum....and I am his biggest fan.
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11/3/2007  5:54 PM
Pissed!

Isiah got out coached by Brown.



I'm also starting to wonder if Marbury forgot how to make layups. He must have missed like 4 or 5 layups last night. It was more than obvious that his head was not in the game. The Knicks were playing fine until they put him back in the game in the second half. Isiah should have just kept him on the bench. In the first half I think Marbury should have guarded Hughes and let Nate or Jamal guard Gibson.

Hopefully this only one game for this Marbury.

As far as Zach, it looks like he really can't be stopped and may need more shot attempts.

Zach and Eddy were not as bad as a combo as I thought. I really thought Zach would have been expose on the defensive end because the Cavs have outside shooters at the center and pf positions. Zach held his own on defense with 2 steals.

Nate was also impressive hopefully he continues.

Balkman looked lost out there. He may not be ready to play. Isiah should probably given Balkman's minutes to Chandler.


From the last night's game the rotation looks like

Marbury/Nate
Jamal/Nate
Q/Balkman
Zach/Lee
Curry/Lee

Fred Jones will only get minutes if the Knicks need defensive help.



[Edited by - BigC on 11-03-2007 6:06 PM]
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11/3/2007  5:59 PM
unsure. Some decent effort, but horrendous warning signs from Steph, same free throw BS from Eddy, same poor defense, not enough DLee. Craw, Nate and Zach were encouraging, but at this rate I need to see it every night from those guys and I'd like to see a whole lot more Balkman and Lee.

It was encouraging that Zeke pulled Steph, but sadly, it wasn't soon enough. If he pulled after the first 3pt or even the second the game could've gone differently.
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11/3/2007  9:03 PM
The game was neither encouraging nor disappointing. It was representative of what most expected in my estimation.
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11/3/2007  9:07 PM
It's disspointing. i didn't watch last night's game because I expected LeBron to DESTROY the Knicks. Just like I expect any great player to do against the Knicks. In fact, guys like Matt Carroll even destroy the Knicks.

I'm apathetic at this point.
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11/4/2007  7:21 PM
I didn't vote because you didn't put 'No Surprise At All'.

suckbury really earned all 21 million dollars, didn't he?
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11/4/2007  8:30 PM
Posted by islesfan:

It's disappointing.

The Knicks played about as well as they can but still couldn't beat a good team that wasn't playing well and missing key players. For all the talk about defense, they didn't play much and still have the glaring weakness of perimeter defense.

Got to agree with this assessment.
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11/4/2007  8:41 PM
We could have won. Horrible game from Marbury and persistence with the zone defence by Isiah.
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11/4/2007  9:02 PM
So the "haters" are disappointed when the team loses and the "lovers" don't mind? Maybe the labels are reversed!
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