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joec32033
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11/1/2007  12:11 PM
If if if if if if if if if.......

As a wise man once said:

George Burns: ''If my aunt had balls , she'd be my uncle .''
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11/1/2007  12:12 PM
How many plans does he have?
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11/1/2007  12:13 PM
Posted by Panos:
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What excuses? They haven't even played a game yet? It's not about excuses anymore.

nix, I refer you to the first post in this thread where Isiah is making his excuses before a single game has been played.
I didn't read any excuses about this team this season. I read where he was talking about his previous years and he was making excuses for that past. He actually was being very confident about the teams current situatuon and prospects. He didn't offer up any excuses about the teams play this season.
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11/1/2007  12:25 PM
this is just isiah being isiah...
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11/1/2007  12:26 PM
Posted by joec32033:

If if if if if if if if if.......

As a wise man once said:

George Burns: ''If my aunt had balls , she'd be my uncle .''

Yeah, but she'd be an uncle with balls, breasts, and a vagina! Maybe I'm taking this too literally!
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11/1/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by nixluva:

What excuses? They haven't even played a game yet? It's not about excuses anymore.

nix, I refer you to the first post in this thread where Isiah is making his excuses before a single game has been played.
I didn't read any excuses about this team this season. I read where he was talking about his previous years and he was making excuses for that past. He actually was being very confident about the teams current situatuon and prospects. He didn't offer up any excuses about the teams play this season.

What do you call this (Note: we are in year 4):

“When you put it in real NBA time frame, where we were starting from, most organizations take a good nine, 10 years to turn things around, get back in the playoffs and everything else," said Thomas, whose team opens the season tomorrow in Cleveland.
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11/1/2007  12:35 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
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This is what I mean when I say that Isiah doesn't understand the NY media and fans. He needs to stop trying to push the fans off with excuses. Just suck it up. Listen to the boos and criticism and win some games. If you win games support will be instantaneous.

I wonder if he is talking more to Dolan than he is to the rest of us.

I'm positive that Isiah talks to Dolan more often than we do. I know I've never talked to Dolan.

I nominate BJ as official site jester.


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11/1/2007  12:35 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:

If if if if if if if if if.......

As a wise man once said:

George Burns: ''If my aunt had balls , she'd be my uncle .''

Yeah, but she'd be an uncle with balls, breasts, and a vagina! Maybe I'm taking this too literally!

I just threw up in my mouth.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 01 November 2007 12:35]
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11/1/2007  12:44 PM
tough to recover from the weatherspoon signing...
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11/1/2007  12:45 PM
Posted by Panos:
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Posted by Panos:
Posted by nixluva:

What excuses? They haven't even played a game yet? It's not about excuses anymore.

nix, I refer you to the first post in this thread where Isiah is making his excuses before a single game has been played.
I didn't read any excuses about this team this season. I read where he was talking about his previous years and he was making excuses for that past. He actually was being very confident about the teams current situatuon and prospects. He didn't offer up any excuses about the teams play this season.

What do you call this (Note: we are in year 4):

“When you put it in real NBA time frame, where we were starting from, most organizations take a good nine, 10 years to turn things around, get back in the playoffs and everything else," said Thomas, whose team opens the season tomorrow in Cleveland.
You're taking that comment out of context and reading into it that he's saying we should expect it to take that long here. That's not what he was saying and the context of the rest of his statements show this. Apparently you didn't finish reading cuz he also said:

“You want to start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel, where you're starting to make progress," Thomas said. “From a talent standpoint, when I first got here, we were very depleted." Now I think we're pretty rich with talent and young talent. We're not an old team. We're a talented, young team.

“This team has a couple of years where it could be around and make a run - get into the playoffs, learn how to win in the playoffs, you eventually learn how to win a championship," Thomas added.

Thomas said Tuesday, barring major injuries, he expects to make the playoffs.

“Last year we were pretty much headed in that direction (the playoffs)," Thomas said. “I thought we had pretty good shot at making the playoffs last year, then I think we got hit by a terrible amount of injuries. Coming back this year, I still feel we're moving on that path. I don't see that we've lost that path in any way."

Again WHEN did he make any excuses about the upcoming season? All his comments referring to injuries were about last year and he of course hopes not to see a similar thing happen this year. You expect injuries, but just not so many all at once. He didn't make any excuses about missing the playoffs nor did he lower expectations. He said that he expects the make the playoffs.


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11/1/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Thomas said Tuesday, barring major injuries, he expects to make the playoffs.

HE SAYS THIS EVERY YEAR.

Oh, by the way, there's already an excuse in that statement.

[Edited by - panos on 01-11-2007 12:57 PM]
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11/1/2007  1:12 PM
Isiah has failed because he never actually made moves to build a team except in the begining. He traded for Marbury to put next to Alan Houston. He then traded KVH & Doleac for TT & Muhammad. Though he severly overpaid for Marbury. All these moves were understandable. Marbury, Houston, Thomas, KT, Mutombo, Muhammad, Penny, Sweetney, Anderson. Wasn't a bad rotation at all. We went into the playoffs without Houston or Tim Thomas vs the hottest team in the league. The ass whooping was expected. Yes we may have never won with Marbury. But if Isiah would have kept focus on building a team, and kept an eye on the salary cap structure. He might have not dug himself in such a whole at this point.

But instead he decided to get away from building a team and go into transition moves changing plans every which way is what killed him. He kept trying to find his savior and killed the balance/structure of the team trying to do it. First it was Marbury, then Crawford, then rebuild by adding multiple draft picks, then Curry, now Randolph. He is hoping Randolph has enough talent to make playoffs so he could buy himself enough time to try and build around Randolph his new savior. And if Randolph doesn't work out. Following his blueprint if he still had a job. He would probably trade Curry for another big name, probably a 3 team deal for Artest to try and save the knicks.

Reguadless of that, I like the pieces we have with Randolph, Lee, Chandler, Balkman, Collins. If a new GM came in he would have something to work with. All he would need to do is move Curry & Crawford for shorter contracts and add the right piecies here and there. A playmaking Pg, a defensive anchor at Center, & a catch and shoot SG. Of course who they would choose to fit these needs is what would make or break them.
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11/1/2007  1:19 PM
many aspects to gm'ing.

identifying talent is one. but so is being a manager and putting the right pieces in place. everyone can talk about his draft acument, how much more "talented" we are, etc...doens't matter with the pieces fitting. the knicks are tim thomas...they should be better than they are...but for some reason, at the end of the day, they are just not that good.
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11/1/2007  2:00 PM
"The Knicks are Tim Thomas"

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11/1/2007  2:22 PM
Welcome to Knicks Basketball

We are Tim Thomas!!!!!!!!!!!
I just hope that people will like me
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11/1/2007  2:24 PM
Tim Thomas is FORMIDABLE
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11/1/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Reguadless of that, I like the pieces we have with Randolph, Lee, Chandler, Balkman, Collins. If a new GM came in he would have something to work with.


I don't know, Collins and Candler are still fairly unknown quantities and I'm not sure Lee and Balky can viably start together on the same team (though I'm willing to try).

How do you feel about that group compared to Zach, Roy, Jack, Webster, Aldridge, et al, who won 33 games and decided they were better off without Zach?

I guess I'm saying we have something to work with but it may not be a lot. I'm talking about being a quality team, not sneaking into the playoffs one year and missing the next, or forever being engulfed by drama. When you get right down to it, there aren't many positives we can take to the bank.

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11/1/2007  2:30 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Tim Thomas is FORMIDABLE

As the number 1 Celtics fan, I am not really sure what formidable means. Can you please clarify, VDesai?
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11/1/2007  2:49 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Welcome to Knicks Basketball

We are Tim Thomas!!!!!!!!!!!

it has a nice ring to it...much better than "we are fugazy"
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11/1/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Reguadless of that, I like the pieces we have with Randolph, Lee, Chandler, Balkman, Collins. If a new GM came in he would have something to work with.


I don't know, Collins and Candler are still fairly unknown quantities and I'm not sure Lee and Balky can viably start together on the same team (though I'm willing to try).

How do you feel about that group compared to Zach, Roy, Jack, Webster, Aldridge, et al, who won 33 games and decided they were better off without Zach?

I guess I'm saying we have something to work with but it may not be a lot. I'm talking about being a quality team, not sneaking into the playoffs one year and missing the next, or forever being engulfed by drama. When you get right down to it, there aren't many positives we can take to the bank.

I comes down to my last sentence. The players we add to fit the positions of need on this team. I think Randolph would work wonders with a very strong play making PG. Look at Deron Williams & Carlos Boozer. Is Carlos Boozer that much better than Zack Randolph? Jarret Jack is a solid player. Maybe down the road he turns into a stud. But he is more an Eric Snow with better shooting than a Deron Williams.

Portland feared that Randolph would not want to take a step back as they established Oden as there post player. Plus they had Aldridge who they new wouldn't mind taking a step back for Oden and could slide right into Randolphs role at PF. They sacrificed talent for balance. If they don't land Oden and instead get the #3 or #4 can you see them drafting Conley & keeping Randolph?

Zach Randolph is cappable of being a go to guy in the post though. Is has enough talent & skill to take the risk on. Get a good coach that can sell him on passing out of the post which he is cappable. Add in a play making PG and Randolph could be an allstar player. Amare Stoudemire right now would probably be a player who scored a ton of pts but not win big if Steve Nash never came into the picture. He averaged 25pts per game on Pheniox after they traded Marbury and still won very few of games the rest of that season.
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