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VDesai
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10/31/2007  4:25 PM
BTW, it has to include Hinrich for it to work cap wise. OTherwise they salaries won't match. I can't see it including Wallace b/c that wouldn't make sense from either team's perspective. And it cannot include Nocioni cause he just signed a contract and can't be traded till Dec. 15.

Most likely it would be Hinrich, Gordon, Thomas and Noah.
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10/31/2007  4:26 PM


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2381~1981~3224~3028~3032~110~25~3211~849~510&teams=13~13~21~23~21~4~13~4~21~23&te=&cash=


Chicago Bulls

Incoming Players
Spencer Hawes
Salary: $2,028,600 Years Remaining: 2

Kobe Bryant
Salary: $19,490,625 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 45.0 REB: 8.0 AST: 4.0 PER: 30.79

No-Trade Clause Cannot trade this player without receiving his consent. Only a player with at least 8 years of NBA experience, including at least 4 years with the team he is signing with, is eligible to negotiate a no-trade clause into his contract.


Outgoing Players: Tyrus Thomas, Thabo Sefolosha, Joakim Noah, Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon

Los Angeles Lakers

Incoming Players
Kirk Hinrich
Salary: $11,250,000 Years Remaining: 5

Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2

Ben Gordon
Salary: $4,881,669 Years Remaining: 1


Outgoing Players: Kobe Bryant

Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Shawn Marion
Salary: $16,440,000 Years Remaining: 2

Thabo Sefolosha
Salary: $1,805,160 Years Remaining: 2


Outgoing Players: Kenny Thomas, Spencer Hawes, Ron Artest

Phoenix Suns

Incoming Players
Tyrus Thomas
Salary: $3,505,320 Years Remaining: 2

Joakim Noah
Salary: $2,135,400 Years Remaining: 2

Kenny Thomas
Salary: $7,875,000 Years Remaining: 3


Outgoing Players: Shawn Marion




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VDesai
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10/31/2007  4:26 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by VDesai:

Man if there's no Deng or Hinrich in that trade and its just some combo of Tyrus and Gordon and Noah than there are a few teams that could beat that.


Hmm, Tyrus and Noah, eh? Isn't that what we gave up for Curry?

Yeah. Which is why we've gotta make Curry the centerpiece of our deal.
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10/31/2007  4:58 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Now is the time to use Nate's fast start in our favor...
New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -18.6 ppg, -10.1 rpg, and -2.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Maurice Evans
6-5 SG from Texas
8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.8 minutes
Kobe Bryant
6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
10.1 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.2 minutes
Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
4.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.7 minutes
Fred Jones
6-2 SG from Oregon
6.5 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 20.9 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 37.3 minutes
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
19.5 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 35.2 minutes


Wait a sec... You wanna include Fred Jones?!? No deal. He's too critical to the future of this team.
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10/31/2007  5:03 PM
Posted by VDesai:

BTW, it has to include Hinrich for it to work cap wise. OTherwise they salaries won't match. I can't see it including Wallace b/c that wouldn't make sense from either team's perspective. And it cannot include Nocioni cause he just signed a contract and can't be traded till Dec. 15.

Most likely it would be Hinrich, Gordon, Thomas and Noah.


That's not true.

And it wouldn't matter b/c he's BYC anyway.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/31/2007  5:04 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by VDesai:

BTW, it has to include Hinrich for it to work cap wise. OTherwise they salaries won't match. I can't see it including Wallace b/c that wouldn't make sense from either team's perspective. And it cannot include Nocioni cause he just signed a contract and can't be traded till Dec. 15.

Most likely it would be Hinrich, Gordon, Thomas and Noah.


That's not true.

And it wouldn't matter b/c he's BYC anyway.

Why is it not true- how could they put together the salaries too match without giving up half their team?
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10/31/2007  5:11 PM
Easy:

4 for 1.

Nocioni
Tyrus
Duhon
Gordon

Throw in a couple 1st's if you want...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/31/2007  5:32 PM
Well, this does seem to lend some credence to the notion that Kobe could force a trade to his team of choice, a position that was mocked when the speculation was that he wanted to come to the Knicks. Kobe would be a professional no matter what? Apparently not.

Too bad Kobe no longer wants to come here. New York too much of a circus, and we would have to give up too much to get him. A missed opportunity to bring a true winner here, but at the same time, Kobe creates a circus wherever he goes, and we got enough problems, so it might all be for the best.

Not that I wouldn't want him, of course.
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10/31/2007  5:48 PM
nocioni can not get traded until dec 15th.
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10/31/2007  6:00 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

nocioni can not get traded until dec 15th.


Eh...

Not that far away dude.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/31/2007  6:47 PM
you've got to be kidding me if the Lakers would accept a trade of Kobe for Artest but wouldn't consider anything that the Knicks have to offer.
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10/31/2007  10:20 PM
I think the best thing we could do is try to go 3 or 4 way and see if we can send some parts (freddy jones?, crawford) that net us som youth & picks.
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10/31/2007  11:18 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by joec32033:

Now is the time to use Nate's fast start in our favor...
New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -18.6 ppg, -10.1 rpg, and -2.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Maurice Evans
6-5 SG from Texas
8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.8 minutes
Kobe Bryant
6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
10.1 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.2 minutes
Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
4.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.7 minutes
Fred Jones
6-2 SG from Oregon
6.5 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 20.9 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 37.3 minutes
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
19.5 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 35.2 minutes


Wait a sec... You wanna include Fred Jones?!? No deal. He's too critical to the future of this team.

He's very hard to give up-based on the sole fact that Isiah drafted him-but for the sole purpose of this trade we'll just consider him an expiring contract.
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10/31/2007  11:53 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Easy:

4 for 1.

Nocioni
Tyrus
Duhon
Gordon

Throw in a couple 1st's if you want...



As I said before Nocioni can't be traded till Dec 15, he just signed a contract.
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11/1/2007  4:21 AM
If I am Isiah, I'd be on the horn trying to contact Steve Kerr and begging them to get in on a three way deal to block the Bulls!!!! Reason being we have made deals in the past w/ Phoenix, all be it Kerr was not the GM... he could be a viable partner because of Marion's reported displeasure on being trade bait for K.G. Also he and Phil Jackson have, a history from his playing days as a Bull... Jackson's "so called" affection for the Knicks from his playing days in the Garden could help facilitate a deal. IMO. (Unfortunately, this could also be the same logic used in favor of the Bulls)

Here is my proposed scenario:

NYK

Trades: David Lee, Nate Robinson, Quentin Richardson, Malik Rose, Randolph Morris, Cash Considerations and our next yrs #1 unprotected pick (More value if OJ Mayo comes out and we don't make the playoffs) and a fut 1st rd protected pick

Rec's: Kobe Bryant

Phoenix trades: Shawn Marion
Phoenix rec's: David Lee, Vladimir Radmanovic, Randolph Morris, Malik Rose (Exp Contract) cash considerations, and and our fut 2009 1st rd protected pick


Lakers trade: Kobe Bryant & Vladimir Radmanovic
Lakers get: Shawn Marion, Nate Robinson, Quentin Richardson and next yrs unprotected 1st rd lottery pick


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11/1/2007  8:51 AM
The situation is this. Kobe does not want to go to the Bulls unless Deng and Wallace are there. So the most Chicago can offer is Gordon, Thomas, Noah, and Nocioni. Now compare that offer to an offer of Curry, Crawford, Lee, and Nate. IMO, I would rather have the Knicks offer. Even if Bynum turns out to be better than Curry, there will always be teams interested in a guy that can score like Curry, so the Lakers could trade him. Lee IMO is as good as Thomas, Noah, or Nocioni. If we added an unprotected 1st round pick, I cannot see how that deal would not interest the Lakers. Our lineup would then be Marbury, Kobe, Balkman or Q, Randolph, and Morris. With Collins, Chandler, and Rose off the bench.
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11/1/2007  10:08 AM
According to ESPN Luol Deng is now being included in packages. With that being said it's clear they want to get Kobe out of town.
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11/1/2007  10:10 AM
Gordan is not much of an upgrade over Crawford. He makes bad decisions and plays out of control.
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11/1/2007  10:12 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

According to ESPN Luol Deng is now being included in packages. With that being said it's clear they want to get Kobe out of town.

Chicago is willing to include him but Kobe wants him to remain a Bull and Kobe has the veto power.
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11/1/2007  10:15 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TrueBlue:

According to ESPN Luol Deng is now being included in packages. With that being said it's clear they want to get Kobe out of town.

Chicago is willing to include him but Kobe wants him to remain a Bull and Kobe has the veto power.


Kobe's stance may have changed. If he thinks he can still get it done with say Gordon and a few pieces of remaining talent then there won't be a problem. Look once you find out you actually are attempted to be traded things change. Kobe has realized over the summer up til now you can't have it both ways.
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