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steph: "i'm looking way more for my shot this year"
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franco12
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10/31/2007  4:34 PM
omg- so much hate.

I see his point about being aggressive. marbury was always a guy that got into the lane, attacked, scored and then passed to an open man. he isn't a strategic pg like nash- never will be.

problem is- he's getting old & can't phsyically do the things he used to do. and to top that off, he really isn't a strong outside shooter.

part of the 'starbury' issue will be on isiah- can isiah put marbury into a system that can help marbury help others.

there needs to be pick and rolls, etc. so he can get into the lane and then has someone to pass to.
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10/31/2007  4:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

not for nothing - but almost every player is talking about how they *have* to make the playoffs. it's going to be interesting to see how they respond to all this pressure they seem to be feeling about making the playoffs.

it'll be even more intresting to see how they respond if they dont make it.
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10/31/2007  4:46 PM
The last two systems we've had weren't Marbury friendly. Ironically, Wilkens was the best coach for Marbs b/c all we did was pick and roll and pick and pop. And we had a lot of shooters at the time between KVH/Tim, Kurt and Allan at times. Marbury put up some of the best numbers of his career (and some of the most efficient shooting numbers) in his first 2 years here.

I think that we could be successful with that kind of game, but we don't have the shooters we once had and you'd have minimize feeding Curry in the post for that to truly flourish.

Marbury has never seemed to be comfortable feeding the post and he doesn't have the room to freelance anymore. Along the way he lost some lift and lost his ability to finish. When Marbury got here he was one of the best finishers in the NBA- if there was no contact he'd finish the layup every time and even when they're was he was always a candidate for the 3 pt play. He was basically impossible to guard one on one. These last 2 years he's not been the same at the basket and not been the same at the foul line either.

Anyway Marbury's not gonna pick up a lot of assist numbers here. The offense we play has not been condusive to that- and generally any time you have a guy that you dump it into the post two, you're not gonna see big assist numbers. We never had a big assist guy here with Ewing. And where he fits as far as getting a lot of shots in this offense- thats unclear too.
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10/31/2007  5:28 PM
I'm sure Zach and Curry were thrilled to hear him say this.

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10/31/2007  6:01 PM
Its not even funny anymore guys. These dudes better come with it or we gonna burn that mofo down to the ground!
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10/31/2007  6:27 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Its not even funny anymore guys. These dudes better come with it or we gonna burn that mofo down to the ground!

it sure is turning into a mob mentality- there's only a few posters still saying don't burn it down.

if we burned MSG down with the knicks & Isiah in it, is there any jury that would find us guilty?

An insanity defense would be easy- I'd personally go for self defense:

Your honor, it was either burn down the knicks or I was going to shoot myself if I had to watch any more games!
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10/31/2007  6:28 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I'm sure Zach and Curry were thrilled to hear him say this.

Has a team ever started 4 black holes before?

hey- we should fix that by putting jeffries the glue out there.

And who knows- maybe we'll get a JJ1 sighting- slide Zach over to the 3 spot- five black holes, and a turnover or bad shot every time down on offense.

And no d!
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10/31/2007  6:48 PM
what happened to averaging 13 assists a game this year? i guess he's going to go for 20 & 13... AWESOME!
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10/31/2007  10:27 PM
Is his motto, If what you are doing isn't working keep doing it and eventually it will work? I am so tired of hearing how this guy is going to change. Back to Starbury, average 12 dimes, I have found Jesus. WTF? Just shut up and either play winning ball or go away.
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10/31/2007  11:13 PM
Posted by TMS:

what happened to averaging 13 assists a game this year? i guess he's going to go for 20 & 13... AWESOME!

Hey 20 and 8 for his career. 20 and 13 just means he is going to learn to pass into the post.
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11/1/2007  12:16 AM
Steph has to be aggressive. When he does he actually does avg. more assists. When he was aggressive late last year, his assists went up. Don't you guys pay any damn attention? You know before all of this the guy did avg 8 a game and in his 1st yr here it was close to 10 before the trades.

Just so you know. When he was playing his normal style of ball with Minny, there were plenty of easy shots for Gugs and KG. Marion never took more shots per game than with Steph and the same went for KVH. When he's playing aggressive and drawing attention it does open things up for his teammates and it puts the other team on its heals. If we play with him being aggressive and driving, which is what he meant by "looking for his shot" It will not mean that Zach and Curry won't see the ball. He balanced it just fine last year, as he did in Minny and I would expect that he will do that again.

GEEZ I wish you people would stop acting like the guy is a scrub! He's not. He's not the reason this team has been losing so much either. There are 14 other guys on the team and it's always his fault that they don't win. I think this team is ready to do more. Each guy being more ready to hold up his end of the bargain. That's all we need.

GO KNICKS!!!! FREAK THE HATERS!!!!
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11/1/2007  3:11 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TMS:

what happened to averaging 13 assists a game this year? i guess he's going to go for 20 & 13... AWESOME!

Hey 20 and 8 for his career. 20 and 13 just means he is going to learn to pass into the post.

Steve Nash doesn't even put up those types of numbers... Steph thinks he's going to be able to do both I suppose... i love all the grandiose quotes he gives before each season & then fails to live up to what he says year after year... when's he gonna learn how to shut his fat yapper & just help the team get some W's instead of worrying about the stats he thinks he's going to put up every year? maybe that's when this team will start to win some games... there's a thought.
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11/1/2007  9:38 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Steph has to be aggressive. When he does he actually does avg. more assists. When he was aggressive late last year, his assists went up. Don't you guys pay any damn attention? You know before all of this the guy did avg 8 a game and in his 1st yr here it was close to 10 before the trades.

Just so you know. When he was playing his normal style of ball with Minny, there were plenty of easy shots for Gugs and KG. Marion never took more shots per game than with Steph and the same went for KVH. When he's playing aggressive and drawing attention it does open things up for his teammates and it puts the other team on its heals. If we play with him being aggressive and driving, which is what he meant by "looking for his shot" It will not mean that Zach and Curry won't see the ball. He balanced it just fine last year, as he did in Minny and I would expect that he will do that again.

GEEZ I wish you people would stop acting like the guy is a scrub! He's not. He's not the reason this team has been losing so much either. There are 14 other guys on the team and it's always his fault that they don't win. I think this team is ready to do more. Each guy being more ready to hold up his end of the bargain. That's all we need.

GO KNICKS!!!! FREAK THE HATERS!!!!


You took the words right out of my mouth... He has to be aggressive shooting the ball to open the lanes for Zack and Curry...I much prefer fo see a balanced attacked than dump it down on every play....Just can't wait for the season fo start....

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11/1/2007  10:09 AM
Posted by franco12:

omg- so much hate.

I see his point about being aggressive. marbury was always a guy that got into the lane, attacked, scored and then passed to an open man. he isn't a strategic pg like nash- never will be.

problem is- he's getting old & can't phsyically do the things he used to do. and to top that off, he really isn't a strong outside shooter.

part of the 'starbury' issue will be on isiah- can isiah put marbury into a system that can help marbury help others.

there needs to be pick and rolls, etc. so he can get into the lane and then has someone to pass to.

I agree. Marbury plays better on both ends when he is more involved in the offense. I want him driving in the lane and creating shoots for others. It is clear these guys don't know how to efficiently run this offense, so Marbury taking over on a more regular basis is probably our best chance of winning games. Zach will help alot in this area too because he is a guy that shows up in the 4th quarter.
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11/1/2007  10:27 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Steph has to be aggressive. When he does he actually does avg. more assists. When he was aggressive late last year, his assists went up. Don't you guys pay any damn attention? You know before all of this the guy did avg 8 a game and in his 1st yr here it was close to 10 before the trades.

Just so you know. When he was playing his normal style of ball with Minny, there were plenty of easy shots for Gugs and KG. Marion never took more shots per game than with Steph and the same went for KVH. When he's playing aggressive and drawing attention it does open things up for his teammates and it puts the other team on its heals. If we play with him being aggressive and driving, which is what he meant by "looking for his shot" It will not mean that Zach and Curry won't see the ball. He balanced it just fine last year, as he did in Minny and I would expect that he will do that again.

GEEZ I wish you people would stop acting like the guy is a scrub! He's not. He's not the reason this team has been losing so much either. There are 14 other guys on the team and it's always his fault that they don't win. I think this team is ready to do more. Each guy being more ready to hold up his end of the bargain. That's all we need.

GO KNICKS!!!! FREAK THE HATERS!!!!

Ok, so when he is agressive and at the top of his game he is great!

But his teams don't succeed, which is why some never wanted him here to begin with.

It not the individual talent, its how it all comes together.

Excuses are one thing, and REASONs are another. Marbury has never won a playoff series. He is the all time leading scorer of any player to have not won a playoff series. T-Mac is right on his heels.

While we all hope this distinction is removed from Marbury the fact remains as it is. Indisputable until the season is complete.

This hater would love nothing more than to see the team win, but I don't want to hear another thing about him spouting how he has to really "bring it" year after year and then not deliver. Based on his performance and desire to play abroad, I don't think he really has a burning desire anymore. My opinion is he plays to not embarass himself and for that paycheck. He is certainly not alone in the NBA for this as its a nature of the big money and job security, so Im not just hating on him for this. But he is a knick, he made the quote, and this is just my opinion.
steph: "i'm looking way more for my shot this year"

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