Posted by kam77:

Mattingly doesn't deserve this much sympathy. He is just a man. He wasn't here for the Yankee dynasty whatsoever. Think about it. What is Donald Mattingly except an icon to trot out there to fool us sentimental fans?

i hold Donnie in higher regard than i do any of the guys who were here for those dynasty teams... he had plenty to do with the dynasty run they went on after '95... go ahead & ask guys like Paulie & Bernie who learned a ton about what it means to be a Yankee from the guy & you may have a different take on things.

besides, what undue sympathy are we talking about? the guy was told he'd get the job & they didn't give it to him... i'm pretty sure you'd be pissed off about it too if that happened in your line of work & they gave the promotion to someone else after you'd served the company for so many years... this was his dream to become the Yankees MGR for many years & they snubbed him... i can't say i blame the Yankees for going with Joe G, but i definitely do feel bad for Donnie Baseball.

[Edited by - TMS on 10-29-2007 4:30 PM]

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by majorleads:

I lived in South Florida and followed the Marlins saga. Girardi had problems with Larry Beinfest, the GM. Early on in the season, Beinfest wanted Joe to pitch the young guys, but Joe wanted a more veteran rotation and more veterans in the lineup. Beinfest stood firm on the youngsters until Joe realized he wasn't going too get any veteran help. Once Joe showed faith in the younger players, (almost halfwat through that season) is when the team took off and started to win. If Joe had his way in the beginning of the season, that team never would have won as many games as they did. The fight with the owner was the final straw. And it was the owner who hired him. Not Beinfest.

I thought it all stemmed from Beinfest, who didn't want Girardi as the manager in the first place. Then with Beinfest in Lurie's ear, blaming Girardi for everything, Lurie fired Girardi.

At least now, his GM would be the one who stuck his neck out to hire him. If nothing else, they should work much better together than Girardi did with Beinfest.

Girardi wasn't his first choice. Doesn't mean he didn't like him or want him. Just like Girardi is now the Yankees choice, doesn't mean they don't like Mattingly. Joe when he took the Marlins job was under the impression they weren't going to go all young and was not happy at the beginning of the season. It took him awhile to warm up to the youngin's and when he did, the Marlins started to win. Luria didn't like his constant complaining and the relationship became strained as the year went on which culminated in Girardi telling him to shut the hell up. Luria wanted to fire him on the spot, but was talked out of it by Beinfest.

Larry Beinfest is a great gm and has a great eye for talent. Joe should have listened to him.

Posted by kam77:

Mattingly doesn't deserve this much sympathy. He is just a man. He wasn't here for the Yankee dynasty whatsoever. Think about it. What is Donald Mattingly except an icon to trot out there to fool us sentimental fans?

as a yankee fan, i demand you get beaten down with a stick while we throw salt on the wounds.

mattingly was the only thing that was a yankee during steinbrenner's madness of the 80's. george went nuts during that period and there was only one constant that represented the team in the highest manner and that was mattingly. he was the best player in baseball for 5 years as well. all fans from the age of 30-45 realize mattingly's greatness even if his career was sidetracked b/c of injury.

and most fans recognize that he was the guy that kept the yankees going UNTIL they figured it out with stick and buck (where the vision came into fruition in 96).

Posted by VDesai:

Journal News saying Toree to the Dodgers is done and that Mattingly is in line to join the staff. He also is interested in hiring away Kevin Long.

Also the Yanks are more than good enough to make the playoffs next year.

Posted by djsunyc:

i would let posada walk now. bring in a catcher that will help our young pitchers develop - and posada is not the right guy for it. even last season, our young guys looked better with molina behind the plate.

Posted by djsunyc:

can't keep donnie here with joe. first rough patch and the media will be swirling.

girardi overused his young staff's arms his one year in florida, which led to them having infalted ERA's the following season and in some cases, injuries. we need to keep an eye on that as the season goes along.