Posted by Michael6835:

So then, who will be the coach ? who will be the gM ? If Zeke is gone, what does the new GM do ? I just don't see tearing it down as a viable solution. Call me a lover, but I don't think the team is that bad. I actually think the team will suprise many around the league. I don't get how teams like Orlando and Toronto have such "bright" futures when we are destined for failure. I just don't see it. I look on paper and I see Orlando snuck into the playoffs. I look and Toronto has a good year last year, but I don't see them sneaking up on teams as they did last year.


For those that are fed up with the team, what would be your take if the team made it into the playoffs with an above 500 record and managed to have a respectable series. Are we close, or do you still bust it up ?

rebuilding is a pipe dream...b/c that probably won't happen here. BUT asking a gm to pick players that work well together can be achieved.

let's use toronto as an example. colangelo had a starting point with bosh. but then he quickly moved charlie v for tj ford (a gamble), signed anthony parker/garbajosa really cheap, took a huge gamble with bargnani, and traded for rasho. the result? 47 wins and a team that built chemistry up by december. he brought in 9 new players and totally had a vision for the team. was it luck? or was it b/c he knows what he's doing?

it's now the 3rd year with basically the same group. year 1 = lb is the devil. year 2 = isiah had to be their loving nurturing mother. ok, it's year 3 = why is the chemistry STILL an issue?

maybe if isiah picked different players and put them together, this team would at least be winning more games.

another example is orlando - they blew TWO lottery picks with vasquez and reddick. they got jameer late and hit the jackpot with dwight. but alot of fans here last season were really high on curry being the allstar snub. yet within 3 seasons in the league, they made the playoffs and we didn't. why? it's b/c either our players are not as good as advertised OR the pieces just don't fit.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-28-2007 8:31 PM]

i don't think you bust it up, but i think if you look at this team today, this is what we have:

1. a high caliber pf in zach
2. a couple of good players off the bench like lee, balkman.

and that's basically all we can say.

zach + eddy don't make sense together. marbury experiment has been a failure. and crawford as anything more than a spark off the bench hurts more than helps. we don't have a starting SF either.

so we got a ways to go.

Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think you bust it up, but i think if you look at this team today, this is what we have:

1. a high caliber pf in zach
2. a couple of good players off the bench like lee, balkman.

and that's basically all we can say.

zach + eddy don't make sense together. marbury experiment has been a failure. and crawford as anything more than a spark off the bench hurts more than helps. we don't have a starting SF either.

so we got a ways to go.

I'd sure wish we didn't give up Nichols. This shouldv'e been the concentration.
Lee
Balkman
Collins
Chandler
Nichols
Morris

Zach is good piece to have around. At least he'd be somewhat solid for what it's worth. I really hope this guy doesn't blow it.

After analyzing the preseason games and watching Curry's game and physique. I honestly think its time to move this guy before its too late. The Nuggets would love Curry. He might actually put them over the top. I just feel Zach is the better player to build off of.

Start with cutting the JJs and give Morris and Chandler minutes. Also, resign Nichols.

Posted by djsunyc:

here's one idea that could help us out:

trade eddy to sacratomato for artest + kenny thomas.

we get our starting SF, that plays on both ends of the court. (remember his move to sacramento resulting in the kings allowing 6 less ppg defensively). we don't leave a hole at center as we can play kenny thomas there who does provide some defense and rebounding.

as much as i want eddy to be a monster here, this is a deal that would balance out the team.

I think you need to move Crawford and Curry, and Isiah needs to be shipped out with them. Curry is not a good player, he is not one of the 50 best players in the nba that is why the knicks won't be a force, because we give up draft picks for a player that still has no idea what being in shape means, commits dumb fouls doesn't rotate to help defenders and is a black hole.

Crawford is just awful he can't play nba basketball these two out of the lineup the knicks are a much better team.

Lowry should be a knick already, even though i love balkman we could have had them both. The knicks need lee on the floor at all time, same with balkman, more nate less jamal and cut eddy to 25 minutes a night. The team never looks smooth with curry out there.

Marbury needs to be agressive and can't be with zach and eddy out there at the same time.

Start with deciding on a focal point of the team. A leader, someone that will guide us into the future. If that player is not on the roster than you make whatever moves possible to get that person. This is tough to do, so in the meantime there is one thing we can do. Develop an identity. Develop some integrity. Reshape the mindset of the organization. IF you don't hustle you get cut or don't play. If you pout you don't play. If you don't play defense you don't play. If you make excuses you don't play. We are having a devil of a time getting rid of this nonsense. It must occur.

Posted by CrushAlot:

Hire Rod Thorn and trade Marbury for Jason Kidd.

The likelyhood of that happening is next to impossible.

Everybody knows Marbury for Chris Paul is a more likely deal

Posted by toodarkmark:

So Eddy Curry or Tyrus Thomas and Jhakim Noah? Hmmm. I know what I'd go for.

We didnt need to go the Tyrus Thomas route, we could have easily picked Brandon Roy. We could have wheeled and dealed the Noah pick for a couple of higher picks that could fill our needs. However undoing the Curry trade alone alone wont save the Knicks because of the damage that was done bringing in J-Rose, Mo-Taylor, JJ2, Francis etc. Thats how big a mess we are in.