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Markji
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10/25/2007  8:08 AM
A buyout of JJ is needed. The problem with this is that it, once again, shows the ineptitude of the person who signed him in the first place. Can IT admit to another mistake? We've had so many buy-outs....I just can't count that high. We must be over $100 million including Larry Brown. Maybe this would be a good thread?
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10/25/2007  8:08 AM
Bonn - read again dude. Don't let your passion block your comprehension skills.

I have no problem whatsoever with a buyout of ANY player, if that is the decision required to keep the best 15 players wearing orange and blue. Worrying about another person's paycheck has never held any interest for me.

I got too many bills of my own to pay.
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10/25/2007  8:11 AM
Posted by Markji:

A buyout of JJ is needed. The problem with this is that it, once again, shows the ineptitude of the person who signed him in the first place. Can IT admit to another mistake? We've had so many buy-outs....I just can't count that high. We must be over $100 million including Larry Brown. Maybe this would be a good thread?
why is that a problem?

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10/25/2007  8:13 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Markji:

A buyout of JJ is needed. The problem with this is that it, once again, shows the ineptitude of the person who signed him in the first place. Can IT admit to another mistake? We've had so many buy-outs....I just can't count that high. We must be over $100 million including Larry Brown. Maybe this would be a good thread?
why is that a problem?
Because of Isiah's ego. He won't admit to another mistake.

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10/25/2007  8:32 AM
Isiah's ego?

forget Isiah. This is about making decisions on the 12-15 best players competing for jobs.

Marji - has the $100M in buyouts made one iota of difference in your ability to afford weekly groceries or put gas in your car?
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10/25/2007  8:54 AM
Hasn't Isiah's ego already taken a hit from James loafing on the sidelines for three seasons? Why would cutting him now suddenly make the error of the signing any clearer?

I wonder at these posters who seem to have the inside info on Isiah's ego and id. He cut Maurice Williams and Jalen Rose, a combined cut that was twice the remaining salary owed Jerome James. Why would his ego be any more tied up in a second string center the organization is paying $6 million a year?

I don't know where this is headed, but if JJ ends up staying you have to wonder if Dolan has said enough is enough on the buy-outs. You would also understand the need to keep a viable back-up center on the roster, if James wasn't such a proven waste of space.

As for Nichols, I find it amusing how the guy is such an "awesome shooter" now that it appears Isiah is going to cut him, while before posters were LOLed at when they suggested he might be a steal in the draft.

We need a shooter, but Nichols isn't going to play this year anyway. I think he has good potential, and could eventually slot in at the 2 next to all of our future 3 options. But if Isiah doesn't think his skills translate to the NBA I think his track record with prospects should afford him the benefit of the doubt.

That was what folks were telling me when I was railing against the Balkman pick. Shows what I know.
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10/25/2007  8:56 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Isiah's ego?

forget Isiah. This is about making decisions on the 12-15 best players competing for jobs.

Marji - has the $100M in buyouts made one iota of difference in your ability to afford weekly groceries or put gas in your car?
I can't forget Isiah. He is the President and GM of the Knicks so he makes the decision, not me. If I were GM, I'd offer JJ a buy-out ASAP.

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10/25/2007  9:01 AM
Posted by RemBee76:


I don't know where this is headed, but if JJ ends up staying you have to wonder if Dolan has said enough is enough on the buy-outs.
IMO, you are correct in this. If Isiah wants to buy-out JJ, Dolan will have to approve and Dolan is probably under plenty of presssure for wasting over $100 million in buy-outs in the past couple of years. So now we have 2 people at the top in Knicks management who have messed up so much that they can't admit to another mistake and buyouy JJ.

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10/25/2007  9:06 AM
Posted by RemBee76:

Hasn't Isiah's ego already taken a hit from James loafing on the sidelines for three seasons? Why would cutting him now suddenly make the error of the signing any clearer?

I wonder at these posters who seem to have the inside info on Isiah's ego and id. He cut Maurice Williams and Jalen Rose, a combined cut that was twice the remaining salary owed Jerome James. Why would his ego be any more tied up in a second string center the organization is paying $6 million a year?

I don't know where this is headed, but if JJ ends up staying you have to wonder if Dolan has said enough is enough on the buy-outs. You would also understand the need to keep a viable back-up center on the roster, if James wasn't such a proven waste of space.

As for Nichols, I find it amusing how the guy is such an "awesome shooter" now that it appears Isiah is going to cut him, while before posters were LOLed at when they suggested he might be a steal in the draft.

We need a shooter, but Nichols isn't going to play this year anyway. I think he has good potential, and could eventually slot in at the 2 next to all of our future 3 options. But if Isiah doesn't think his skills translate to the NBA I think his track record with prospects should afford him the benefit of the doubt.

That was what folks were telling me when I was railing against the Balkman pick. Shows what I know.


Who the hell is Maurice Williams?
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10/25/2007  9:09 AM
Taylor. Sorry, Maurice Taylor.
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10/25/2007  9:16 AM
Posted by Markji:
Posted by RemBee76:


I don't know where this is headed, but if JJ ends up staying you have to wonder if Dolan has said enough is enough on the buy-outs.
IMO, you are correct in this. If Isiah wants to buy-out JJ, Dolan will have to approve and Dolan is probably under plenty of presssure for wasting over $100 million in buy-outs in the past couple of years. So now we have 2 people at the top in Knicks management who have messed up so much that they can't admit to another mistake and buyouy JJ.

what are our other options? would we do a 3-for-1 trade for some burned out high-priced "superstar" (a la franchise) in order to open slots?
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10/25/2007  9:18 AM
Marv - another 6'11 type would be nice.

Can Michael Doleac be traded again?
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10/25/2007  9:19 AM
No one would take JJ1 in a trade. He has 3 years at $5 million and has a badly injured knee.
Only option is a buy-out.

[Edited by - markji on 10-25-2007 08:20 AM]
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10/25/2007  9:20 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Dolan can afford to buy out Jerome James or claim a problemmatic medical issue

This where my money is. I can see James suddenly opting for surgery so he can finaly make a contribution.
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10/25/2007  9:22 AM
If you believe what Glen Grunwald said during the summer league the Knicks were trying even then to put together trades that would have cleared up the roster. It would seem that any talks never went anywhere, none of them even entering the rumor phase. Then we swapped out Dickau for Jared Jordan, loosing an ending contract that might have facilitated a deal.

I’m guessing, though, that the option is still on the table. And Fred Jones’ preseason play doesn’t hurt us in that department.
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10/25/2007  9:27 AM
JesseDark - don't sleep on Isiah working the phones to pull off a last minute deal at the 29th deadline.

Jerome James was a calculated risk when the Knicks had few other options at center. With the acquisition of Curry, the drafting and progress of Lee and the hijacking of Randolph Morris - things have changed in the frontcourt for the better.

Balkman can play center



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