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playa2
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10/26/2007  7:24 AM
Guys like Aaron Affalo, Wilson Chandler, Fred Jones,Rodney Stuckey,Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess, Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed Wallace. Get it!

These guys can play defense, but if you leave them open they can knock down outside shots = two way players.

You can't find these facts in the dictionary.

Joe Dumars tries to find two-way players to add to his roster, this is why they can defend better and also score and end up playing in the finals.

[Edited by - playa2 on 26-10-2007 07:26]
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10/26/2007  8:59 AM
Fred Jones? Give me a f'n break. With all due respect, I will say that every single possibility at SG that we have on the team would be a better option than Fred Jones. This includes: Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Mardy Collins, Nate Robinson and even "Mr. Ass" Stephon Marbury.

Quite honestly, and I mean this seriously, can any of you justify Fred Jones playing over Jamal Crawford, Mardy Collins or Nate Robinson? Fred Jones???
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10/26/2007  9:15 AM
out of all the players you mentioned

Mardy
nate
Q
Jamal
Fred

From the list above, what players would be considered nba two- way players ?
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10/26/2007  10:08 AM
What the hell is all this talk about 2 way players? As if there are tons of those guys in the league. Ray Allen can't defend my grandmother, so don't give me that crap. A LOT of good players are mediocre defenders in this league. It's a TEAM game and as a team we need to find ways to add defense. We just happen to have more "poor" defenders in the SL, which is being offset by having "good" defenders on the bench. Since there are only a handful of "great" defenders in the league i'm not overly concerned. No one around here thinks lowly of Wash. and they are WORSE than the Knicks defensively.

Fred Jones shouldn't be a point of emphasis. Only a person looking to find anything remotely negative, would try to make him into one. I mean come on Fred Jones, is what we need to be concerned about? Un freakin believable. You can't tell me that there isn't a vocal minority here that needs to seek help. To be so openly against the team that you grab at the least important things you can find and try to make they into real issue, tells us volumes about the mental state of some members here. The season is about to start and we have the BEST team we've had around here in YEARS and all we can get is a bash thread on the merits of having Fred Jones on the team.
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Posted by nixluva:

What the hell is all this talk about 2 way players? As if there are tons of those guys in the league. Ray Allen can't defend my grandmother, so don't give me that crap. A LOT of good players are mediocre defenders in this league. It's a TEAM game and as a team we need to find ways to add defense. We just happen to have more "poor" defenders in the SL, which is being offset by having "good" defenders on the bench.

Nixluva, two way players are the freakin glue to winning a championship !

What has ray allen won?

Just look at the teams that win the finals and look how many two-way players they have on their roster.

I can't believe you can't see that is the blueprint to winning it all.



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Posted by nixluva:

What the hell is all this talk about 2 way players? As if there are tons of those guys in the league. Ray Allen can't defend my grandmother, so don't give me that crap. A LOT of good players are mediocre defenders in this league. It's a TEAM game and as a team we need to find ways to add defense. We just happen to have more "poor" defenders in the SL, which is being offset by having "good" defenders on the bench. Since there are only a handful of "great" defenders in the league i'm not overly concerned. No one around here thinks lowly of Wash. and they are WORSE than the Knicks defensively.

Fred Jones shouldn't be a point of emphasis. Only a person looking to find anything remotely negative, would try to make him into one. I mean come on Fred Jones, is what we need to be concerned about? Un freakin believable. You can't tell me that there isn't a vocal minority here that needs to seek help. To be so openly against the team that you grab at the least important things you can find and try to make they into real issue, tells us volumes about the mental state of some members here. The season is about to start and we have the BEST team we've had around here in YEARS and all we can get is a bash thread on the merits of having Fred Jones on the team.

YOu are such a baby. Who cares what people think. State your opinion and move on. Your posting self-esteem is in the toilet.
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10/26/2007  11:03 AM
Ok

Eddy Curry: He was noted as someone that is always out of shape doesn't work hard, and doesn't play defense

Francis: Noted as a lockeroom cancer, someone that kills everyone organization he goes to

Jerome James: Could care less unless he is playing for a contract

Frye: Had a reputation for being a soft player

Crawford: All the talent in the world, street ball player with out of control gunner mentality

Let's be fair you have a past you have it for a reason, the scouting report on every knick isiah has aquired has been right on. Fred Jones should be much better than he is, everyone in this league has the talent to show signs.

But Knick fans have a history of seeing someones performance "Crawford" and then really believing players have real value, when not factoring the greater whole.

Frankly if this orginization valued winning they wouldn't have Curry or Crawford on the court. The reason the Knicks lose is directly tied to guys that are selfish and don't care enough to play defense and play smart.

Nate is a better player than Crawford, and should be starting over him, if you want jones as a backup thats fine, but when the knicks were at their best and is when lee, balkman and guys like collins are out on the floor, put marbury and randolf out there with those guys and you have a nice unit.
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10/26/2007  11:24 AM
Come-on!!! What are you talking about?
FJones is IT man.
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This is the main criteria.
Stats, talent, skills... Are you kidding?
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10/26/2007  12:40 PM
Posted by playa2:

out of all the players you mentioned

Mardy
nate
Q
Jamal
Fred

From the list above, what players would be considered nba two- way players ?

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10/26/2007  12:40 PM
is steve nash a two-way player?

who cares?
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10/26/2007  12:42 PM
Posted by playa2:

out of all the players you mentioned

Mardy
nate
Q
Jamal
Fred

From the list above, what players would be considered nba two- way players ?

Quentin Richardson for sure. Past him there are others who are questionable. Fred Jones as a two-way player? Give me a break. He's barely a one-way player.
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10/26/2007  2:44 PM
Steve Nash happens to score more than any knick an averages that same number as assists as both our guards, not to mention keeps everyone lose and happy and is a leader....
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Posted by misterearl:

is steve nash a two-way player?

who cares?

And how many RINGS has stevo won....zilch, nada.

This is about role players too, to win it all you need two-way players and that was my point.



[Edited by - playa2 on 26-10-2007 14:56]
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10/26/2007  3:25 PM
Fred Jones is here to stay, and he's a critical component of the team.
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10/26/2007  5:04 PM
Juan Dixon, the guy Jones was traded for maybe cut according to RealGm.
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There are some good points in this thread. For a player who doesn't do well on both sides of the court to be a good starter in this league, he has to be near the top in what he does well. Allan Houston was a good example of this. Guys like Fred Jones are useful, but as role players.
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Posted by Ira:

There are some good points in this thread. For a player who doesn't do well on both sides of the court to be a good starter in this league, he has to be near the top in what he does well. Allan Houston was a good example of this. Guys like Fred Jones are useful, but as role players.

Great point. It's fine to be a one dimensional shooter, or defender or rebounder. But you should be great at that one dimension of you want to have an effect on winning. Otherwise you are really just a minute filler that provides the occassional lift.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 26-10-2007 5:30 PM]
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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:

What the hell is all this talk about 2 way players? As if there are tons of those guys in the league. Ray Allen can't defend my grandmother, so don't give me that crap. A LOT of good players are mediocre defenders in this league. It's a TEAM game and as a team we need to find ways to add defense. We just happen to have more "poor" defenders in the SL, which is being offset by having "good" defenders on the bench. Since there are only a handful of "great" defenders in the league i'm not overly concerned. No one around here thinks lowly of Wash. and they are WORSE than the Knicks defensively.

Fred Jones shouldn't be a point of emphasis. Only a person looking to find anything remotely negative, would try to make him into one. I mean come on Fred Jones, is what we need to be concerned about? Un freakin believable. You can't tell me that there isn't a vocal minority here that needs to seek help. To be so openly against the team that you grab at the least important things you can find and try to make they into real issue, tells us volumes about the mental state of some members here. The season is about to start and we have the BEST team we've had around here in YEARS and all we can get is a bash thread on the merits of having Fred Jones on the team.

YOu are such a baby. Who cares what people think. State your opinion and move on. Your posting self-esteem is in the toilet.
What the Hell does that mean exactly? "Posting Self Esteem"? The thread makes no sense for any real fan to be bringing up this crap a week before the season starts. You can just mind your freakin business. I'm tired of your attacking my posting style. You don't like the actual point I make and you want to challenge that, fine, but you don't like the tone of my posts or the way I say things is just B.S. I don't need you to be my personal style editor. You tell me why a thread like this even makes sense for a guy that's likely at the end of the rotation this year? It's all about being negative and i'm calling him on that. All you're doing is what you always do when I challenge the pessimism here. You jump on me for caring. F U!!!! I let you be, but you have to come after me again with the same crap as last year.
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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:

What the hell is all this talk about 2 way players? As if there are tons of those guys in the league. Ray Allen can't defend my grandmother, so don't give me that crap. A LOT of good players are mediocre defenders in this league. It's a TEAM game and as a team we need to find ways to add defense. We just happen to have more "poor" defenders in the SL, which is being offset by having "good" defenders on the bench. Since there are only a handful of "great" defenders in the league i'm not overly concerned. No one around here thinks lowly of Wash. and they are WORSE than the Knicks defensively.

Fred Jones shouldn't be a point of emphasis. Only a person looking to find anything remotely negative, would try to make him into one. I mean come on Fred Jones, is what we need to be concerned about? Un freakin believable. You can't tell me that there isn't a vocal minority here that needs to seek help. To be so openly against the team that you grab at the least important things you can find and try to make they into real issue, tells us volumes about the mental state of some members here. The season is about to start and we have the BEST team we've had around here in YEARS and all we can get is a bash thread on the merits of having Fred Jones on the team.

YOu are such a baby. Who cares what people think. State your opinion and move on. Your posting self-esteem is in the toilet.
What the Hell does that mean exactly? "Posting Self Esteem"? The thread makes no sense for any real fan to be bringing up this crap a week before the season starts. You can just mind your freakin business. I'm tired of your attacking my posting style. You don't like the actual point I make and you want to challenge that, fine, but you don't like the tone of my posts or the way I say things is just B.S. I don't need you to be my personal style editor. You tell me why a thread like this even makes sense for a guy that's likely at the end of the rotation this year? It's all about being negative and i'm calling him on that. All you're doing is what you always do when I challenge the pessimism here. You jump on me for caring. F U!!!! I let you be, but you have to come after me again with the same crap as last year.

Wow.
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10/26/2007  8:53 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:

What the hell is all this talk about 2 way players? As if there are tons of those guys in the league. Ray Allen can't defend my grandmother, so don't give me that crap. A LOT of good players are mediocre defenders in this league. It's a TEAM game and as a team we need to find ways to add defense. We just happen to have more "poor" defenders in the SL, which is being offset by having "good" defenders on the bench. Since there are only a handful of "great" defenders in the league i'm not overly concerned. No one around here thinks lowly of Wash. and they are WORSE than the Knicks defensively.

Fred Jones shouldn't be a point of emphasis. Only a person looking to find anything remotely negative, would try to make him into one. I mean come on Fred Jones, is what we need to be concerned about? Un freakin believable. You can't tell me that there isn't a vocal minority here that needs to seek help. To be so openly against the team that you grab at the least important things you can find and try to make they into real issue, tells us volumes about the mental state of some members here. The season is about to start and we have the BEST team we've had around here in YEARS and all we can get is a bash thread on the merits of having Fred Jones on the team.

YOu are such a baby. Who cares what people think. State your opinion and move on. Your posting self-esteem is in the toilet.
What the Hell does that mean exactly? "Posting Self Esteem"? The thread makes no sense for any real fan to be bringing up this crap a week before the season starts. You can just mind your freakin business. I'm tired of your attacking my posting style. You don't like the actual point I make and you want to challenge that, fine, but you don't like the tone of my posts or the way I say things is just B.S. I don't need you to be my personal style editor. You tell me why a thread like this even makes sense for a guy that's likely at the end of the rotation this year? It's all about being negative and i'm calling him on that. All you're doing is what you always do when I challenge the pessimism here. You jump on me for caring. F U!!!! I let you be, but you have to come after me again with the same crap as last year.

Wow.

Double wow.
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