Posted by Panos:

Fine. SO trade him. He is an asset with SOME value.

But OH. We can't do that. Why? Cuz everyone knows Isiah is screwed with his roster mess, and not willing to offer anything of value to help him out of it.

And if he wasn't going to make the team because of a SF glut, why did we trade for him in the first place?

[Edited by - panos on 23-10-2007 1:05 PM]

Why? I dont know. Maybe Balkman is a trade asset. Why did Isiah say Chandler would be ready in two years? Why was the plan to move Nichols to Europe for a year? I think Isiah saw talent on the draft board and took it, expecting to stockpile assets for a trade. That way it makes sense. Stockpiling assets hits a problem with roster limits though and for that i agree he ****ed up.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Call Isiah an *******, but its buisness. Buisness wise I wouldn't cut him until I would absolutly have to. He did invest a 2nd rd pick. Managment wise it would be smarter to buyout James & Rose, and keep Nichols. So thats the part I don't agree with.

Don't you think it would have made sense, business wise, to figure out if the kid was willing to go to Europe before trading for him? And I agree with you, I rather cut any of those guys before cutting Nichols.

Two things.

1. I don't really understand why everyone is getting exercised about a no. 54 pick in the draft. I rate Nichols. He has a perfect NBA body, a sweet stroke and a good attitude. But if he becomes anything at all in the league it will be against all the odds in the world. This really is a non-story.

2. I'm gonna make a prediction. I think Nichols will not get cut. Traded maybe, but not cut. I think JJ and Jones are gone. I think Isiah knows that even if we keep Nichols he won't be playing much this year, and therefore there is no point playing him in preseason. I think Isiah felt Jones deserved chance, however minimal to prove he deserves a spot in the rotation. At his late stage, if Jones is not in the rotation there is no point keeping him. So he let him play some preseason minutes, and I don't think he proved anything. So, buhbye.

JJ and Jones cut, Nichols traded or sent to the NBDL. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But that makes the most sense to me.

Posted by eViL:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Call Isiah an *******, but its buisness. Buisness wise I wouldn't cut him until I would absolutly have to. He did invest a 2nd rd pick. Managment wise it would be smarter to buyout James & Rose, and keep Nichols. So thats the part I don't agree with.

Don't you think it would have made sense, business wise, to figure out if the kid was willing to go to Europe before trading for him? And I agree with you, I rather cut any of those guys before cutting Nichols.

Yes it would have made more sense business & managment wise to do that. But thats not what I was comenting on business wise. People asked the question why did Isiah trade for him. Answer because he thought he would have been able to stash him Europe for a season. Why Isiah traded for Nichols without confirming wiht Nichols that he would send him to Europe is a different question. As for Isiah being an ******* to him, business wise he got to do whats best for Knicks not Nichols. Flat out cutting Nichols isn't whats best for the Knicks.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by eViL:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Call Isiah an *******, but its buisness. Buisness wise I wouldn't cut him until I would absolutly have to. He did invest a 2nd rd pick. Managment wise it would be smarter to buyout James & Rose, and keep Nichols. So thats the part I don't agree with.

Don't you think it would have made sense, business wise, to figure out if the kid was willing to go to Europe before trading for him? And I agree with you, I rather cut any of those guys before cutting Nichols.

Yes it would have made more sense business & managment wise to do that. But thats not what I was comenting on business wise. People asked the question why did Isiah trade for him. Answer because he thought he would have been able to stash him Europe for a season. Why Isiah traded for Nichols without confirming wiht Nichols that he would send him to Europe is a different question. As for Isiah being an ******* to him, business wise he got to do whats best for Knicks not Nichols. Flat out cutting Nichols isn't whats best for the Knicks.

I agree.

Throwing away 2 2nd rd picks isn't what's best for the Knicks.

Dumping a player with a skill that they desperately need while keeping someone like Fred Jones, isn't what's best for the Knicks.

There's no way to defend this if it happens.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by firefly:

Two things.

1. I don't really understand why everyone is getting exercised about a no. 54 pick in the draft. I rate Nichols. He has a perfect NBA body, a sweet stroke and a good attitude. But if he becomes anything at all in the league it will be against all the odds in the world. This really is a non-story.

2. I'm gonna make a prediction. I think Nichols will not get cut. Traded maybe, but not cut. I think JJ and Jones are gone. I think Isiah knows that even if we keep Nichols he won't be playing much this year, and therefore there is no point playing him in preseason. I think Isiah felt Jones deserved chance, however minimal to prove he deserves a spot in the rotation. At his late stage, if Jones is not in the rotation there is no point keeping him. So he let him play some preseason minutes, and I don't think he proved anything. So, buhbye.

JJ and Jones cut, Nichols traded or sent to the NBDL. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But that makes the most sense to me.

Surely Fred Jones will not be cut?!?

Stop argueing and get in the truck!

Posted by Solace:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Solace:

Isiah gets negative credit for this. He would've gotten credit over a potentially saavy trade (if Nichols in the real deal as he appears). However, now taking a player who you know can play and intentionally sabotaging his career because he didn't play along to his evil plan is ridiculous. I hope Nichols gets released finally and gets a chance with a real franchise. Ours is an embarassment.

Those who question if any GM could succeed in NY, look no further than this incident. Isiah causes his own problems. Case in point.

If Nichols doesn't do anything with his career because of this incident then he never had what it took reguardless.

newyorknewyork, I disagree. I'll just say this: it wouldn't be the first young player that Isiah has ruined the upcoming career of. If you miss that initial cut in the NBA, it's hard to make a comeback. For the few that can do it, great, but a big part of success in the NBA is hype and the opportunity. Without those things, the odds are heavily against you.

I don't know if I agree with that fully. But your intitled to your own opinion.

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by islesfan:

It's not even about Nichols and what kind of player he is. It's about how badly Isiah has screwed up this roster, to the point that they cannot keep promising young players because of all the dead weight on the roster. Even after all those buyouts, that LB asked for but Isiah refused, they don't have any flexibility.

It's so bad that Isiah is in position to foolishly throw away 2 2nd rd picks.

The is a very acurate account. Totatlly agree. However, if Nichols really asked to be cut, I think he is being a little too arrogant for his own good. Not only turning down a trip to Europe, but asking to be cut before cuts are mandated is a bit much. Especially for a 2nd rounder. Tie your hightops up and go to work. Make it impossible for Isiah to cut you. No need to be so brash.

i think the point from nichol's POV is that the hightops are tied up, but his ass is tied to the bench.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by islesfan:

It's not even about Nichols and what kind of player he is. It's about how badly Isiah has screwed up this roster, to the point that they cannot keep promising young players because of all the dead weight on the roster. Even after all those buyouts, that LB asked for but Isiah refused, they don't have any flexibility.

It's so bad that Isiah is in position to foolishly throw away 2 2nd rd picks.

The is a very acurate account. Totatlly agree. However, if Nichols really asked to be cut, I think he is being a little too arrogant for his own good. Not only turning down a trip to Europe, but asking to be cut before cuts are mandated is a bit much. Especially for a 2nd rounder. Tie your hightops up and go to work. Make it impossible for Isiah to cut you. No need to be so brash.

i think the point from nichol's POV is that the hightops are tied up, but his ass is tied to the bench.

Nichols' CAREER is at stake here. He's being screwed. He SHOULD be pissed and be doing everything he can to get out of the situation.

Oh please! Listen to yourself. It's not his job to concern himself with behind-the-scenes political machinations. He shouldnt be concerning himself with anything other then making it impossible for Isiah to cut him. You think demanding to be cut is going to further his career?

Nichols is owed nothing by the NBA, the Knicks or Isiah Thomas. If Demitris Nichols thinks he is deserving of being made a multimillionaire, then he better prove it. Demanding to be cut is a ridiculous thing to do. I don't even believe he really did demand to be cut. Nobody would be that suicidal. HA! Second-round pick demands to be cut? Yeah, thats gonna set him up big-time in the NBA.