This thread is just as bad as the threads after we lose.

Lovers should not gloat after a win.

That is the key. It's only ONE game.

Posted by oohah:

look at the game thread and see who posted in it and what they said. especially after the game.

I've seen it. Would you tell me what you are talking about specifically?

oohah

i think for the most part, most of the posts were from the "downer" contingent of this board and most of them actually complimented the team as the game was going along and even after the game.

the evolution (or de-evolution) of online knicks fans have come to a point where it's more about what other posters say as to actually reacting to what's going on with the team on/off the court.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by oohah:

look at the game thread and see who posted in it and what they said. especially after the game.

I've seen it. Would you tell me what you are talking about specifically?

oohah

i think for the most part, most of the posts were from the "downer" contingent of this board and most of them actually complimented the team as the game was going along and even after the game.

the evolution (or de-evolution) of online knicks fans have come to a point where it's more about what other posters say as to actually reacting to what's going on with the team on/off the court.

On the game thread I saw nowhere near the enthusiasm, energy, and let's face it: joy, that I see when the Knicks play badly. After a loss we see 27.5 New York Post style threads created immediately. And they don't seem to be lamenting the loss so much as celebrating it.

oohah

Posted by Panos:

If you want to talk about suspcious absenses, where's Nixluva since the 40 pt blow out?
Waiting out the storm?

Posted by BasketballJones:

This hater / lover, yin / yang dynamic is built in to the board. It’s become like a political board where each group is like a political party. This goes back at least to UK’s absorption of the Daily News posters, and Layden days.

The tension - and thus the drama - is created by these two extremes. One day one side is up, the next the other side is up.

Of course there are very few posters who really ‘hate’ the team, and very few who unconditionally love it.

It isn’t surprising to me that people bitch, whine and moan when the team isn’t doing well. What would there be to talk about if everything was running perfectly?


[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-23-2007 11:09]

Posted by nixluva:

Should it be unreasonable to assume that this team should get better and better as these young guys play this year. The chemisty should improve and their execution should improve. This should be a playoff team by the end of the year and this team will be able to compete with anyone in the East. We have that kind of talent and I think they're ready to get it done.
Regardless of what this team does in preseason.



[Edited by - nixluva on 10-23-2007 11:05 AM]

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nixluva:

Should it be unreasonable to assume that this team should get better and better as these young guys play this year. The chemisty should improve and their execution should improve. This should be a playoff team by the end of the year and this team will be able to compete with anyone in the East. We have that kind of talent and I think they're ready to get it done.
Regardless of what this team does in preseason.

Why is it that your beliefs that these things "should" happen are more correct than my belief that thay won't? Its not like there is some preponderence of evidence that these will happen. Its just your wishful thinking. I think they should continue to play as badly as they have until they improve their defense (perimeter AND interior), shooting and ball movement. And just because players are a year older, doesn't mean better, unless they are properly coached.

1. last year this team started off poorly and that could reasonably be expected given how bad things were the year before. Isiah did however get this team to play better. The team didn't "suck" as some would put it. They were inconsistent. There's a huge difference. The thing is that aside from the mass injuries there's no reason to believe that the team wouldn't have continued to get a little better over the last 19 games last year.

2. You can't truly think that Lee and Nate aren't getting better. 2 bad games isn't proof to me that they aren't going to continue to show growth as they already have. I don't need anything more than my30+ yrs of experience watching players to know when I see players who can have an impact in this league. I think we've been adding some good players in Lee, Nate, Balkman, Chan and even Mardy, tho he's not yet shown much this preseason.

3. We added another true talent in Zach and you can't tell me that he's not going to make a difference for this team. Anyone who does is simply not being honest. In comparison with a team like Boston, the Knicks have less top line talent, but more depth and overall talent. I think that will balance things out and that we'll be more than competitive with teams in the East this year.

4. In terms of our near future, I love what we have in Zach, Curry, Lee, Balkman and Chan. I don't think we'll take a back seat to anyone at the forward and Center positions. I believe this will be the strength of our team over the next few years. If you feel differently i'd like hear why?

Posted by Panos:

And I called you out because it was clear that you were avoiding the storm from a disgusting showing that showed NO professional pride, pre-season or not, that you could not spin into "shoulds."

It is more than clear to me that there's nothing I could say that would change the minds of those who've already given up on this teams chances this year. Why should I join in a hater love fest over 2 preseason games? I'll be here like I've always been when the games count. I've never run from any discussion when things were worse, so why would I do so now. I still believe strongly that this will be a good year.

Posted by islesfan:

In nixluva's defense, he's here win or lose and always pollyanish.

I actually respect that.

It's the Lovers who try to tell the rest of us that if we don't believe this team is on it's way to something special, we must be stupid, that I have a problem with.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nixluva:

Should it be unreasonable to assume that this team should get better and better as these young guys play this year. The chemisty should improve and their execution should improve. This should be a playoff team by the end of the year and this team will be able to compete with anyone in the East. We have that kind of talent and I think they're ready to get it done.
Regardless of what this team does in preseason.

Why is it that your beliefs that these things "should" happen are more correct than my belief that thay won't? Its not like there is some preponderence of evidence that these will happen. Its just your wishful thinking. I think they should continue to play as badly as they have until they improve their defense (perimeter AND interior), shooting and ball movement. And just because players are a year older, doesn't mean better, unless they are properly coached.

1. last year this team started off poorly and that could reasonably be expected given how bad things were the year before. Isiah did however get this team to play better. The team didn't "suck" as some would put it. They were inconsistent. There's a huge difference. The thing is that aside from the mass injuries there's no reason to believe that the team wouldn't have continued to get a little better over the last 19 games last year.

2. You can't truly think that Lee and Nate aren't getting better. 2 bad games isn't proof to me that they aren't going to continue to show growth as they already have. I don't need anything more than my30+ yrs of experience watching players to know when I see players who can have an impact in this league. I think we've been adding some good players in Lee, Nate, Balkman, Chan and even Mardy, tho he's not yet shown much this preseason.

3. We added another true talent in Zach and you can't tell me that he's not going to make a difference for this team. Anyone who does is simply not being honest. In comparison with a team like Boston, the Knicks have less top line talent, but more depth and overall talent. I think that will balance things out and that we'll be more than competitive with teams in the East this year.

4. In terms of our near future, I love what we have in Zach, Curry, Lee, Balkman and Chan. I don't think we'll take a back seat to anyone at the forward and Center positions. I believe this will be the strength of our team over the next few years. If you feel differently i'd like hear why?

Posted by Panos:

And I called you out because it was clear that you were avoiding the storm from a disgusting showing that showed NO professional pride, pre-season or not, that you could not spin into "shoulds."

It is more than clear to me that there's nothing I could say that would change the minds of those who've already given up on this teams chances this year. Why should I join in a hater love fest over 2 preseason games? I'll be here like I've always been when the games count. I've never run from any discussion when things were worse, so why would I do so now. I still believe strongly that this will be a good year.